Chris Boonzaier Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Can anyone give us a lesson in the different makers? I think detailed pics front and back? Andreas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 29, 2013 Author Share Posted January 29, 2013 This is I think a Deschler one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 29, 2013 Author Share Posted January 29, 2013 I dont know here, i think this was the mixed one Andreas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spolei Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Hello Chris, both are from the manufacturer Deschler. The MVK with crown is marked on the backside of the swordblade. You will see a little "D". I'm able to show you the 5 different manufacturers, and their variants, but give me a little bit time. Regards Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spolei Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Hello, here my newest entrys. Hemmerle second and third class with swords, third model, early type (1914). That were the first models of the 1914 type. The swords are bigger than the following models. The box of the silver cross has the size like the box of MVO. The third class is placed in a regular box. Regards Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spolei Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 (edited) part 2 Edited January 31, 2013 by spolei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted February 1, 2013 Author Share Posted February 1, 2013 Hi Andreas, i thought ones of the above ones i showed above had the swords from one company and medal from another? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted February 1, 2013 Author Share Posted February 1, 2013 Here are a few more... A Deschler I think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted February 1, 2013 Author Share Posted February 1, 2013 No Idea on this one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted February 1, 2013 Author Share Posted February 1, 2013 Am not sure what... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spolei Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Hi Andreas, i thought ones of the above ones i showed above had the swords from one company and medal from another? Hello Chris, that was a MVK 3. class with crown and swords. The cross was Hemmerle, the swords Deschler. You said, it belongs to a bar or to a konvolut. The last pictures are two MVK with swords from Deschler and one MVK crown/swords from Weiss I think i have to visit you again, to find the mixed cross. Regards Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted February 1, 2013 Author Share Posted February 1, 2013 Hi Andreas... I thought it was the first one I posted here?? I am getting old.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spolei Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Hello to all, a lot of users in this CMIC-forum own bavarian MVK's. I want to give all MVK-collectors some pictures to see the differences between the five producers of MVK during wartime-models. To show all variants is not possible for me, because i don't know all variants, but I want to show the main variants. All the variants are third classes with swords.from my collection. Lets start with Leser. Leser has three variants. It differs in the ringholder and the swordsquillons. You see from left to right Typ 1 (1914), Type 2 (- 1916) and Typ 3. Leser produces all classes of the MVK. Regards Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spolei Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Next is Hemmerle, Hemmerle has three main variants. The second variant has differences in agraffe and swordsquillons. Hemmerle produces all classes of the MVK in wartime. You see from left to right. Early typ 1 with thick swords, Type 2a and 2 b with different agraffes, and type 3 with a new kind of swords. Other differences are GH-markings, different medaillons, form of the crossarms, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spolei Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 (edited) Third producer is Weiss Weiss has the biggest swordgrips. Differences are in the medaillons. Look at the tail of the lion. There is a lion with one tail and a lion with a double-tail. Another variation is a onepiece-variation, only known in the third class with swords and crown/swords variant. The one-piece variant was produced at the end of war. Weiss produces all classes, without the first class crown/swords variant Edited February 4, 2013 by spolei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spolei Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Lauer produces for the bavarian Ordenskanzlei till 1916, then after the WW1. Lauer produces third and second classes of the MVK. We differ two types. Typ1 with strong swords (right side) and Type 2 (left side) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spolei Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 The fifth producer is Deschler. In 1918 deschler produces one-piece variants in the different materials ferrous-metal and zinc. Look at the agraffe of the one-piece-variants, there is available a lot of excess material . Deschler is a widespresat variant and ther are a lot of small differences here the main variants. Left the regular model wit seperat medaillons. In the middle one piece ferrous-metal and left side one-piece zinc. Deschler made second and third classes of MVK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted February 4, 2013 Author Share Posted February 4, 2013 Fantastic Andreas! Muchos grazias!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redeagleorder Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 (edited) Very informative. thank you. Edited February 4, 2013 by redeagleorder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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