Claudio Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Dear forumites! I'm proud to present to you a spectacular Oldenburg medal bar of Hauptmann von der Hellen, personal Adjutant of GFM von Hindenburg (there's a small picture of him on Beyreiss book about Oldenburg's orders and medals, wearing his medal bar). Here's the description of his decorations: Preussen: eisernes Kreuz 2. Klasse, 1914; Preussen: RK des Königlichen Hausordens von Hohenzollern mit Schwertern (ritzmarke „s & W”, silberstempel und „937“); Oldenburg: RK 2. Klasse des Haus- und Verdienstordens von Herzog Peter Friedrich Ludwig mit Krone und Schwertern; Oldenburg: Friedrich-August-Kreuz 2. Klasse mit Bandspange „vor dem Feinde”; Bayern: Militär-Verdienstorden 4. Klasse mit Schwertern; Sachsen: RK 1. Klasse des Albrecht-Ordens mit Schwertern (Stempel „s”); Braunschweig: Kriegsverdienstkreuz 2. Klasse; Lippe-Detmold: Kriegsverdienstkreuz am Kämpferband; 3. Reich: Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer; Preussen: Kronen-Orden 4. Klasse; Preussen: DA-Kreuz für 25 Dienstjahre der Offiziere; Oldenburg: RK 2. Klasse des Haus- und Verdienstordens von Herzog Peter friedrich Ludwig. Unfortunately I couldn't find anything about his career. Would be somebody here on this very forum so kind to share a bit of information about this "obscure" officer and his career? Indeed being close to such a military personality like v. Hindenburg did influence a lot the fact that he got so many orders, very likely without ever seen the frontline as a Staff Officer. Thanks you very much in advance for looking into this thread and for your most appreciated comments on it. ciao, Claudio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 That is a beauty! As Hindenburg's aid I bet he is in photographs of Hindenburg. Good luck hunting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arb Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Claudio, Yet another wonderful bar, congratulations! Carl von der Hellen was born 27.11.1879 in Rotterdam, son of a salesman. He graduated the Corps of Cadets in 1898 and was commissioned a Sek.Lt. in IR 91 on 18.08.1899. Oberlt. on 17.09.1909 and Hptm. 01.10.1913. He was a battalion and regimental adjutant as well. He finished the war as a Hptm. The 1916 Gotha Briefadel. Taschenbuch lists him as a "Brigade Adjutant" He died on 12.04.1969 in Oldenburg. The 1978 directory of former cadets mentioned that he was an Oberstlt. a.D., so, we can assume he was reactivated during the war. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogi Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Wow awesome :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Holy smokes. What a bar. I hope that someone finds his photograph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 A real stunner! I applaud your success. Five different states. I really like the double Oldenburg PFL Order awarding. A great looking Order in my opinion. Obviously the one without swords for service before WWI as well as his Crown order. It’s in great shape. I think his medal bar tailor would be pleased with how well it has held up over these last 80 years. I really like the green backing and tailor label. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Ciao Claudio, not even Godet nonetheless a beauty. @ Claudius I see six different states: Preußen, Oldenburg, Bayern, Sachsen, Braunschweig and Lippe - Detmold Kind regards Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Ciao Claudio, not even Godet nonetheless a beauty. @ Claudius I see six different states: Preußen, Oldenburg, Bayern, Sachsen, Braunschweig and Lippe - Detmold Kind regards Andreas Hello Andreas; You are right. I just glossed over the EK2, the Crown Order and the Hohenzollern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted September 29, 2014 Author Share Posted September 29, 2014 Thanks my friends... Yes it's quite a wonderful medal bar and although it's not a Godet, it comes with a nice dealer's label of Hannover, which is known to me... much rarer to find than a Godet! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Nicest Schnalle I've seen for a while, and with great history, congratulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 (edited) I am wondering if there is a second bar that was worn below this one. This bar was not updated with the Hindenburg cross or any awards from foreign states, however no foreign awards are listed for him in the 1914 rangliste. Edited September 30, 2014 by Paul C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rujab Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Super Schnalle, Gratulation dazu. Gruss Rudi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 This is the photo from Beyreiss book showing v. d. Hellen with von Hindenburg in 1927 during the inauguration of a monument in Oldenburg... That was surely the bar he wore before adding the Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 (edited) Another one... Edited October 1, 2014 by Claudio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Hi Claudio, Congrats for this awesome medal bar. For information, the ribbon bar will be sell this saturday on Kuncker catalog Nr. 253. It would be nice to reunite all the medals from this officer. Christophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted October 1, 2014 Author Share Posted October 1, 2014 Salut Christophe! I know about his ribbon bar and also a document which will be sold soon... of course I will try to reunite them with the medal bar! C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted October 1, 2014 Author Share Posted October 1, 2014 (edited) Dear forumites, Here's the ribbon bar I am after... ;-) Plus they offer also this document: Los Nr. 242: Verleihungsurkunde der Militär-Kanzlei des Großherzogs zum Kreuz I. Klasse für den Hauptmann v. d. Hellen, datiert Oldenburg am 8. März 1915, mit Originalunterschrift des Oberst v. Jordan, mit handschriftlicher Bemerkung Jordans am Rand "Herzl. Gruß / J.", mehrfach gefaltet, min. eingerissen.1, II, Taxe: 50,00 € I am definitely bidding on both of them! Edited October 1, 2014 by Claudio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Claudio, See if you can find a photo of him at Hindenburg's funeral. he may be wearing an updated bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Absolutely astonishing medalbar and with this historical background even more impressive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Hi Claudio, I remembered having photo of von Hellen in my collection. Here he is wearing his big medal bar. Christophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted October 4, 2014 Author Share Posted October 4, 2014 Great picture, Christophe... Thanks a lot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
91-old-inf-reg Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 I know this is an old thread, but I am wondering if it is possible to try and identify some of the other officers in @Deruelle’s photo. From left to right: Unknown General who was obviously attended the 1913 centennial of IR 91. IR 91 Leutnant d. Res. Neumüller two unknown officers von Hindenburg. Best regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus66 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 And Another…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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