Ed_Haynes Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Well said, Jim! And may we also remember that issues of value should be mainly historical and only to a much lesser degree commercial.Being broken is never a "plus" for any of us, but numismatically perfect and unawarded is to be empty of history and interest. Yet the market, rightly or wrongly -- our numismatic roots showing? -- still places a premium on condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted January 6, 2007 Author Share Posted January 6, 2007 Dear Jim,dear Ed,wise words .My interest in Soviet Awards is of scientific (as a historian) and of "moral-religious" interest. History of the CCCR was my second subject at university (student of the renowned Soviet historian Michail Voslensky, author of "Nomenklatura") and before I started collecting, I already had an interest in Soviet history for 13 years - also some small knowledge about awards and their function in Soviet society, due to the old Herfurth-book of the 1980s and some APN-publications. At the beginning of 1994 I realized just by accident, how cheap Soviet Awards are offered at the stamps, coins & orders dealers in Vienna. A Lenin was just the value of gold! So I invested in a relativly short time some thousend USD in building up a small and decent collection. I had been fascinated by the history, which is kept in each award and also by the great design of the pieces. I have to admit, that I have also a rather "special" relationship to the experiment of Socialism in the former CCCP . For me it is a proven fact, that the extraordinary welfare of the working class in Europe (partly also in America) from 1945 to 1991 had been a "product" - or result - of the existence (and social-political competition) of the "other" political and economical system beyond the "Iron Curtain". Also it is a proven fact, that not the Western Allies smashed the Nazi-system, but the Red Army and the people of the Soviet Union.So, for me it is also an emotional gesture to keep Soviet Awards .To get one's awards researched, is also an act of justice to the - 90 % - unwritten und unpublished true history of the 20th century and to document the deeds of the people, who liberated Europe. I did not start collecting Soviet Awards for making the "big fortune", this was an unforseen "byproduct", which costs me know some insurance fee year for year .For me a Soviet Award has 3 main qualities:- personal history of the awardee (if researched)- general history of the order in the Soviet system - statutes, regulations, etc.- excellence in design.Best regards Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Gaumann Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 <snip> I assume a value of EUR 1600,- for the insurance list. If a collectible is stolen, the insurance company refunds the actual price of the piece, which is asked from the well known dealers at the market, and/or will orient at the result-lists of the well known auction houses.I believe, if the "broken" Quasi-Nevsky would be in your proud collection, you would write a rather similar value into your insurance list .ChristianAgreed. "Insurance value" is different, and almost always higher, than market value. Just watch Antiques Roadshow for a while. And Christian, thanks so much for showing what the different parts of a multi-piece order looks like. I see that maybe once a year here, there and at the other forum. Very rare and informative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted January 13, 2007 Author Share Posted January 13, 2007 Present marketsituation for Nevsky T 2Dear Dave,dear JimLet us wait for a few weeks and look, if they sell - the market tell the truth. As long, as the main US-dealers sell their stocks, their prices should reflect the situation at the market. That is how capitalism works, I guess .Best regardsChristianGentlemen,we didn't have to wait for some weeks, Prof. Eugene Rabkin already sold his Nevsky T 2 for USD 2850,-, as he noted at his website: http://www.russianglory.com/soviet_orders.htm .Best regards Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimZ Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 However, you asked for the value of the piece, and several posters gave you their opinion as far as the value. You, however, disagreed with their opinions and decided on the value yourself. If you have a value set in your mind already, please don't waste the time of the members on this forum by asking their opinion and then casting their opinions aside because they do not agree with your own.Christian,I will not re-invent the wheel. Its all been said!! What I will add is that a T2 Nevsky in good condition can sell where it wants! Well done to those liquidating their investments.... (what a sad thing to call a collection an investment!!) However, my personal ideas as to the Nevsky on this thread and its value remain unchanged even knowing where one in good condition just sold at.With regards to insurance, remember there is such a thing as insurance fraud. Of course not if you have expert friends to watch your back in such event. But then why ask the forum members for valutaions? As of this post, I will be keeping out of threads that are nothing but a one way monlogue .... and this thread seems to have been one of thise almost from its very outset!Very disappointed!Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted January 13, 2007 Author Share Posted January 13, 2007 Christian,As of this post, I will be keeping out of threads that are nothing but a one way monlogue .... and this thread seems to have been one of thise almost from its very outset!Very disappointed!JimJim,nobody has forced you to make postings at this thread.As everybody can make out, at this thread there are several "one way monologues" from several GMIC-members .My primary intention with this thread has been, to show the "inside" of a Nevsky to the fellow GMIC-members, which was appreciated by most of them .A second intention has been, to find a realistic and correct insurance value of that item. After the discussion and after some research I took EUR 1600,- for the list. Due to the fact, that Prof. Rabkin sold a Nevsky T 2 recently for USD 2850,-, my value estimation is not an illegal or criminal act ("insurance fraud"!!!!) .GMIC is a forum for gentlemen to discuss all phaleristic aspects - also terms of insurence!Also very, very disappointedChristian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimZ Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 Today's market value?Gentlemen,do you have any idea, what the current market value of my restored Nevsky T 2 might be?Many thanks in advance .Best regardsChristianWhatever!! Enjoy reading your own posts sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted January 14, 2007 Author Share Posted January 14, 2007 Whatever!! Enjoy reading your own posts sir.Dear Mr. Zammit,I highly respect your contribution to the translations of Andrew's MONDVOR-website. This is an extraordinary help and tool for all serious collectors of Soviet Awards.I think, it is not against the rules & regulations at GMIC, to ask fellow collectors & experts about the value of an item. I have seen a lot of similar questions in all sections and boards at GMIC.I don't have a glue, what might be behind your offensive postings towards my person .Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lapa Posted March 15, 2008 Share Posted March 15, 2008 Nevsky T 2 - collapsed: Christian,I somehow did not read this thread before, so sorry for chiming in late. I am not going to talk value, as this exercise has already been made at great length.Your order is actually more damaged that anyone mentioned. The underlying star should simply be the silver one. The upper piece (with the medallion and the axes) should actually have all 5 enameled arms attached. In effect, the top enameled arm was somehow severed, an has been affixed to the underlying star as a convenient way to repair it.Now, I know that some bothersome minds will ask "But how do you know, you have barely posted anything on this forum". I once held such a "matrioshka" order in my hands and could study it upclose and in details, as well as several "regular" T2. All of them were as I described.Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted March 15, 2008 Author Share Posted March 15, 2008 (edited) In effect, the top enameled arm was somehow severed, an has been affixed to the underlying star as a convenient way to repair it.Dear Marc,no, the top enameled arm of the red star wasn't saved. I guess, that a gifted juweller has made that piece completly new and attached it to the silver star, as you can see at the scan: The original red star doesen't have a more or less additional straight border line towards the medaillon.Best regards ChristianBTW: I have another Nevsky T2 in good condition to compare . Edited March 15, 2008 by Christian Zulus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted October 18, 2008 Author Share Posted October 18, 2008 Gentlemen,more pics - done with a digital camera - of my "broken" Nevsky.Best regards Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Christian Zulus Posted October 18, 2008 Author Share Posted October 18, 2008 One Nevsky T2 in "2 parts" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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