Soviet Soviet & Eastern Block Quiz

[Ed_Haynes]

While his honorary award probably wasn't gazetted, I've looked, but the recent revision of the online London Gazette makes searching a worse nightmare than it was before.

[JimZ]

Indeed. My first try was the London Gazette. Surprisingly there was only one post war entry for the name Zhukov and it was not him but some Russian diplomat. I did however come across situations where the King was allowing British recipients of soviet orders to wear these orders. Turned out to be some very interesting reading indeed.

Jim

[JimZ]

QUESTION:

Four of these men worked closely together.

1) What bound them together?

2) Name 2 conficts and/or incidents in which they served.

3) With which particular conflict or incident in Soviet history is this particular image to be associated?

3a) What were they doing in the immediate period when this image was taken and what event unfolded soon after the capture of this image?- What exactly happenned?

Bonus question 4:

4) Can you name these men?

First one to answer all questions to the best of their ability gets the next one! No Hints.

Good luck.

Jim

Edited November 6, 2007 by JimZ

[Carol I]

1) What bound them together?

Helicopter pilots?

2) Name 2 conficts and/or incidents in which they served.

Chernobyl and probably Afghanistan.

3) With which particular conflict or incident in Soviet history is this particular image to be associated?

Chernobyl disaster

3) What were they doing in the immediate period when this image was taken and what event unfolded soon after the capture of this image?- What exactly happenned?

Liquidating the fire and probably fixating the radioactive dust. Wjhat happened next? Probably acute radiation sickness.

4) Can you name these men?

[JimZ]

Hi Carol

Very very good guess but not quite there yet with all the answers.

I'll confirm the first one who gets all the 5 answers right (1,2,3,3a and 4)

Jim

[Carol I]

Hi Carol

Very very good guess but not quite there yet with all the answers.

I'll confirm the first one who gets all the 5 answers right (1,2,3,3a and 4)

Jim

One more try Jim.

1) What bound them together?

They were the crew of a helicopter working on liquidating the effects of the Chernobyl disaster.

2) Name 2 conficts and/or incidents in which they served.

Afghanistan and Chernobyl.

3) With which particular conflict or incident in Soviet history is this particular image to be associated?

The photo was taken while they worked at Chernobyl.

3a) What were they doing in the immediate period when this image was taken and what event unfolded soon after the capture of this image?- What exactly happenned?

They were working on spreading fixation solution on the reactor remains. While above the reactor, the blades of the main rotor became entangled on a cable and the helicopter crashed on the reactor.

4) Can you name these men?

The names and the photo appear in this YouTube video, but I cannot make them out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICOu7KksgUA

[Christian Zulus]

The names and the photo appear in this YouTube video, but I cannot make them out...

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICOu7KksgUA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICOu7KksgUA</a>

Dear Jim,

Carol is right: The 4 names at the memorial brass plate of the MI-8 crew are almost impossible to read at the the video ...

Best regards

Christian

BTW: Carol has done an excellent job .

[Ed_Haynes]

My vote -- which is worth NOTHING -- is that he WON.

[Christian Zulus]

My vote -- which is worth NOTHING -- is that he WON.

Also my opinion .

Best regards

Christian

BTW: That might become victory #6 of Carol I .

Edited November 6, 2007 by Christian Zulus

[Carol I]

Thank you, guys.

BTW: That might become victory #6 of Carol I .

Well, then I will have to face the prospect of devising a question...

[JimZ]

As usual it seems that the person asking the question is not allowed his say by those too eager to move on. I have already commented on this in past.

Carol, whereas You have answered questions 1,2,3 and 3a perfectly, I am still waiting for the names of the MI 8 crew as this was part of my original set of questions - indeed it was the bonus question, the whole crux of the question as it were as I believe that these four heroes should be named.

So whereas I can agree that Carol should be awarded the win on principle for answering the bulk of the q's, I still do not think that we should move on until these four heroes are named.

Jim

[Carol I]

Carol, whereas You have answered questions 1,2,3 and 3a perfectly, I am still waiting for the names of the MI 8 crew as this was part of my original set of questions - indeed it was the bonus question, the whole crux of the question as it were as I believe that these four heroes should be named.

I do not mind, Jim. Whoever names them can ask the next question.

P.S. Did they eventually find out what was the cause of the crash? Was it pilot error?

[Ed_Haynes]

As usual it seems that the person asking the question is not allowed his say by those too eager to move on. I have already commented on this in past.

Carol, whereas You have answered questions 1,2,3 and 3a perfectly, I am still waiting for the names of the MI 8 crew as this was part of my original set of questions - indeed it was the bonus question, the whole crux of the question as it were as I believe that these four heroes should be named.

So whereas I can agree that Carol should be awarded the win on principle for answering the bulk of the q's, I still do not think that we should move on until these four heroes are named.

Jim

No, I agree that the asker's response is BADLY needed.

If not OK, please do advise,

Right, Jim, we shall and must wait . . . .

In part, this is an issue with a multi-part question (of which I am quite guilty). If one gets 85%, then . . . ??????????????

[JimZ]

Well, most definitely an understandable pilot error as the main rotor clipped the cables - I say understandable as given the high pressure of that mission coupled with the knowledge of what radiation was doing to their other comrades....

Truth be said, the fate of this crew was much kinder than the fate that would have awaited them had they to deal with radiation sickness. I remain impressed by the sheer heroism of most Chernobyl liquidators - and remain puzzled by the lack of recognition given to these brave men and women, many of whom went knowingly into the radiation without regard for anything else other than the task at hand. And to think that many received nothing other than the cheaper quality Chernobyl badge

Yes Ed - Carol has found 80% of the answer plus the names in unreadable format. Even 90% at that. But lets not move on till we can disclose the remaining 10%, i.e. the names of these heroes. As I said, in principal I believe that Carol should take the victory.... but I'd like to move on once the names are out. If within a given day or two this does not happen, I will give the names and Carol can indeed proceed.

Jim

Edited November 6, 2007 by JimZ

[Christophe]

Hey, back from Moscow tonight, and I can see that in my (short) absence, the Quiz has been very active. Good.

I can only agree with what Jim said. It is the responsibility of the asker to :

1. say if the question is fully and correctly answered (as soon as the question has not been modified once publicly asked),

2. Declare who is the winner.

It is only when the winner has been declared by the asker that a new challenge can be launched.

Sorry for this reminder of the rules and guidelines, but...

Cheers.

Ch.

[Ed_Haynes]

Yes, but . . .

. . . multi-part questions (guilty as charged) . . .

present real problems . . . ????

2/3? 7/9? 12/88?

A ruling??????

[Christophe]

I think that for multi-part questions, the asker has to set the rule, as Jim did : "the winner is the one answering all the 5 questions".

You did the same with your twin multi-part questions with identification of details of medals (that I won, BTW... ). You specified that the members answerinf partly could only help the final winner...

Again, for multi-part questions, the rules have to be defined when the question is asked. If no one can succeed, it is the role of the asker to determine which member has contributed the most to the partial / uncomplete answer....

Cheers.

Ch.

[Christophe]

Now, we have to find the names of the pilots.

And I agree that if these can't be named by us, Carol I should be the winner (as alreadya greed by Jim).

Cheers.

Ch.

[Carol I]

I might have found them.

Helicopter crew perished on 02.10.1986, over unit 4 of the Chernobyl NPP:

- VOROBYOV Volodymyr Kostyantynovych (21.03.1956 - 02.10.1986)

- YUNHKIND Oleksandr Yevhenovych (15.04.1958 - 02.10.1986)

- KHRYSTYCH Leonid Ivanovych (28.02.1953 - 02.10.1986)

- HANZHUK Mykola Oleksandrovych (26.06.1960 - 02.10.1986)

Truth be said, the fate of this crew was much kinder than the fate that would have awaited them had they to deal with radiation sickness. I remain impressed by the sheer heroism of most Chernobyl liquidators - and remain puzzled by the lack of recognition given to these brave men and women, many of whom went knowingly into the radiation without regard for anything else other than the task at hand. And to think that many received nothing other than the cheaper quality Chernobyl badge

The really sad thing is that most of the liquidators did not know the risks they were facing (whether from lack of knowledge or mis-information).

[JimZ]

Now that is what I call the rest of a complete answer!

Very well done Carol. You scored 100 percent on this question and the next one goes to you without any shadow of doubt or partial ruling.

Sorry about being a stickler to the rules buy I insist (as already mentioned before) that it is only good etiquette to allow the asker of the question to revert back and concede his/her verdict.

Also the fact that one source does not reveal the information required does not mean that there are other sources online. And even when the online sources run thin, there are also these things we once called books together with other printed and visiual media.

So on to the next one Carol. We are waiting.

Jim

PS - Considering that Moscow did their best to hush up the whole incident, I'd go so far as to think that there was more mis information abounding then lack of knowledge.

[Christian Zulus]

Dear Carol,

congratulations to your well deserved victory .

Best regards

Christian

[Christian Zulus]

Quiz reaches outstanding benchmark at the 90th anniversary of the October Revolution

Gentlemen,

with the next posting we will reach the benchmark of

- 2000 postings

- more than 20.000 views

- at 100 pages

... and the incident happens exactly at the 90th anniversary of the "Great Socialistic October Revolution"

Congratulations to Christophe and all the participants of the quiz .

Best regards

Christian

BTW: Carol's new question might be posting #2.000 .

[Carol I]

Very well done Carol. You scored 100 percent on this question and the next one goes to you without any shadow of doubt or partial ruling.

Thanks, Jim. It was not as an easy question as it seemed. The only hint (at least for me) were the masks they were wearing and which were very much used during the intervention at Chernobyl.

Sorry about being a stickler to the rules buy I insist (as already mentioned before) that it is only good etiquette to allow the asker of the question to revert back and concede his/her verdict.

No one questioned the way you constructed the question or your right to validate the answer, so there are no problems (and I do not think I speak only for myself).

So on to the next one Carol. We are waiting.

I am rather busy in the comming days, so if the waiting seems too long someone else should ask the next question.

[Christian Zulus]

POST # 2000

Let's celebrate this event at the 90th anniversary of the October Revolution .

Best regards

Christian

[JimZ]

Dunno what Christophe thinks but I am sure we can all wait for a couple of days or so as we have done in past.

Christophe.....?

Jim