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#1 Mervyn Mitton

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 15:54

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I sometimes wish that I had collected helmets and not police - there is something special about them.
This splendid example is an O/R's for the Blues and Royals of The Household Cavalry. This amalgamated regt. was formed in 1969 from the Royal Horse Guards and the The Royal Dragoons. There are ,of course, two regiments - The Life Guards and The Blues and Royals. The Life Guards wear red tunics and a white 'plume' - The Blues and Royals , a blue tunic and a red 'plume'.
A small point of some interest, is that the original carbine that was carried in a bucket, by the left leg - was called a 'Dragon' -
hence Dragoon.

#2 Mervyn Mitton

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 15:57

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 16:00

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 16:02

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 16:04

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#6 Mike Dwyer

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 03:27

Exceptional, Mervyn, one of my favorite helmets!

#7 leigh kitchen

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 06:47

And nice to see an Kings Crown one, is there any marking to give a date for the helmet or its lining?

Am I right in thinking that the helmet palte etc is nowadays of anodised aluminium, staybrite?

#8 Mervyn Mitton

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 08:37

Leigh - no markings - however, I wouldn't be surprised it it isn't pre-war (1930's). They didn't go back to full uniform until - I think - the fifties. You are probably right about anodised aluminium, everything is for show - quality has gone. I think Stuart is the person to tell us for certain? Merv.

#9 Stuart Bates

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 12:45

Mervyn,

sorry but not this time. I don't know whether Staybrite is used. One would have to ask the manufacturers Firmin & Co. I do know that there have been experiments with "plastic" skulls but no idea if this progressed to today's helmets.

The ear rosettes on your B & R's helmet are normally those of the Life Guards but it is not uncommon to find them in the B & Rs and vice versa.

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 13:05

Mervyn,

the plume finial/rosette on the helmet would appear to be a Life Guards one i.e. a plain gilt metal hemisphere. The B & Rs had a finial/rosette similar to the ear rosettes.

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 13:09

Simply a matter of swapping plumes?


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Posted 12 May 2009 - 13:16

Swapping plume finials I would say.

off topic.gif After a torrid 4 games of racquetball I am calling it a night. I did however win 3 out of the 4, against a 48 yo and two 18 yo but it won't last much longer. Those young buggers are so fast!

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 13:29

I must be tired as I missed that the bulbous shaped ball beneath the white metal socket should be in white metal, rather than gilding metal, for ORs.

I will have another look tomorrow but the helmet appears to be a composite of Life Guards/Blues and Royals/Officers'/ORs'.

Can the plume holder be disassembled? It could for an officer but not for an OR.

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 13:43

When I first saw the photos, I thought it was an officers, rather than an OR's, the ornate backband etc, but I'd need to refer to the books to work out one way or the other. Could explain the lack of markings, would'nt an OR's bear a punch stamped number?.

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 13:54

Yes the backband does appear to be an officers'. As to stampings etc. to ORs I will see what I can find in the morning.

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#16 Mervyn Mitton

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 14:30

This is very interesting - I bought this at least 20 years ago, from a UK dealer. I don't pretend to have the knowledge for helmets - just that I like them. I have another - better - one at the flat in UK. I will try to get the helmet taken apart - as for cleaning - and we will photo each part. Should the skull turn out to be an officer's , could it be re-assembled as one ? What about the badge - I think that is o/r's ?

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 23:18

Mervyn,

It might be difficult to get an officer's badge and yours is definitely an OR's. The officers is a beautiful enamelled job with a silver hobnailed star background. The floriate work on the helmet is voided in places on an officers helmet.

I would be inclined to leave the helmet alone but maybe locate a new rosette for the plume and keep an eye out for an OR's plume holder.

Can you post a shot of the interior?

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 13:34

Will do photos on Friday. Book should be arriving soon.




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