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Hello,

I find I have a very strange mystery which I was hoping somebody can help to solve. Information and idea's most welcome.

Metropolitan Police Constable William Ind was attached to the Metropolitan Police Commissioner's Office from 14/1/1893 to 18/4/1904. Special duties involved protecting Government departments, public companies or private individuals etc and he was assigned to be, ''Employed at War Dept. Station, Selby.'' We know this because that information is clearly detailed on his pension records from 1904....but he was employed to work at the War Dept, Station at Selby, in Yorkshire. The England Census of 1901, the records show that PC William Ind and family as residing at the White House, at Barlby, in Yorkshire. That entry includes PC William Ind [42], his wife Eliza [47] and their children Clara Elizabeth [11] and Daisy Priscilla Ind [9].

PC William Ind's Metropolitan Police pension records dated 18/4/1904 detail his current address as being, ''1 Victoria Terrace, Barlby Road, Selby.'' It also confirms that this is the address he intends to reside at on leaving the Metropolitan Police. It also confirms that his pension is to be paid into the,  ''Selby Post Office.'' Therefore we can evidence with the various records that he was on special duties at the War Dept. Station Selby, in Yorkshire from at least 1901 to 1904 and probably for a much longer period than that. In the England Census of 1911, we find that William Ind and his family ae residing at , '3 New Street, in Selby, in Yorkshire.'' William Ind is now employed as a, ''cycle dealer.''

Here are some general details on PC William Ind. William Ind was born in Wootton Bassett, in Wiltshire, on the 14/6/1858. Joined the Metropolitan Police 14/4/1879 - PC - 'A'  or Whitehall division. Warrant number 63496. Served also in 'H' or Whitechapel divn.  'L' or Lambeth divn. 'B' or Chelsea division. Transferred to the Commissioner's Office 14/1/1893 and remained there until he retired on pension in 1904.

Question why would a Metropolitan Police Constable be employed to work in Selby, in Yorkshire and why would the Metropolitan Police pay for such an arrangement? What could be so important or secret or valuable that it warrants this deployment from the Metropolitan Police? What makes the War Dept. Office in Selby unique, as I have never heard of such an unusual arrangement being done before by the Metropolitan Police. This deployment also continued for years so what was so vital and important in the Selby area.

Hopefully somebody can help with information or suggestions. Many thanks Alan.

 
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I picked this badge up at a car boot for £2. It's fairly heavy for its size 28.9 gms and 5x4 cms. Non magnetic accept for pin. There are no markings on it. It is nothing like other Thuring badges I have seen and I am presuming it is a fake . I know little about Gau badges and would appreciate anyones advice.
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Hi,

I have just merged two topics, so a number of items may be posted twice in this thread.

thanks
Chris
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Here is my best ....

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http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/49145-bavarian-gold-bravery-medal-group/?hl=riethmann#entry452231
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I wasn’t sure where to share this, but since the uniform is French I thought France might be the best place.  It is the only non flying uniform I own, but it is unique in its own right.  When most people think of American vollenteers with France, they immediately think of the LaFayette Escadrille/Flying Corps.   However there were hundreds of Americans that fought for France in other branches.  

   Dr Brodeur graduated Harvard Dental School in 1917.   He then went to France to serve under the Red Cross for the th Franco-American Committee for Frontier Children. He held this position from July 1917 to March 1918.  In March he enlisted in the French Foreign Legion and was then sent to artillery school in Fontainebleau.   He was appointed aspirant June 12 and assigned to the 60th field artillery.  He was then subsequently transferred to the 288th field artillery in September 1918.  

      He participated in the Somme (1918) , Marine-Aisne Offensive, Champagne, and the Muese-Argonne Offensive.   Demobilized 3, May 1919 he returned to the Units States and became both a Orthodontist and famous sculptor.   His works are on display at Harvard and the Boston Museum of Art.  
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- Hey, you are the new guy in our math class, what is your name

- Ummm, they call me "Lobo"

- Why "lobo"?

- Because I am like a wolf dude...

- You mean you got fleas and howl a lot?

- No man, they just call me that...'cos I am like a wolf....

- Who is they?

- You know, like... people

- Says Frank on your name tag, we will call you Frank.....

It's pretty hard to get a nickname from a 3rd party, many guys like to think up one for themselves and sell it as someone elses idea...

I think there are many units that have nicknames that were "given by the enemy"  ... but were actually not....

I have read a lot of WW1history and first person accounts of the war and what is visibly lacking, especially in the latter stages of the war is any awe inspired reports of the enemy in action... awe inspiring to the point where a really cool moniker is used to describe the enemy.

In general it lacks any great imagination... the French call the Germans "The Germans" or "Les Boche"... The Germans call the French "The French" or "der Schangel".... but noone uses terms that imply military super powers when talking about the enemy....

Yet the German Paras in WW2 claimed that the Allies called them "The Green Devils"... while the British Paras claimed that the Germans called them the "Red Devils" and the American Paratroopers claimed the enemy refered to them as "devils in baggy pants".... how realistic is that coincidence?

Many of these myths and legends are passed down and soldiers learn about their units nicknames while in training, then for the next 50 years defend their units legend based on stories passed down from generation to Generation...

Young recruits in the French Foreign Legion are told about the battle of Camerone where the opposing Mexican General is said to have shaken his head and said of the Legionnaires "These are not men they are devils!"

US marines recruits learn that the German's called the Marines "Devil Dogs" due to their ferocious fighting skills at Belleau Wood in June of 1918, ignoring the fact that the LaCrosse Tribune had used the nickname in April 1918.

The French 152nd Infantry Regiment is known as the "Red Devils" as it is claimed that this is what the Germans called them while fighting on the Hartmannsweilerkopf

The French mountain infantry claimed the title "Blue Devils" based on unsunstantiated claims that the Germans had given them this name...

Does anyone know of any documented cool nicknames given by the enemy? for the most part I begin to believe all are B.S.

 

 
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Full Cavaliers of the Order of Glory - Present Day Market Realities


My interest in Full Cavaliers of the Order of Glory (which extends back some 15 years) has led me to the following general observations ref the collectors market for Full Cavalier sets that has developed in the United States and Europe over this period. I offer the following as my personal observations and welcome your comments/opinions.

The Hierarchy of Collectability (defined by dealers' asking prices for a Full Cavalier set ranked from most expensive to least expensive) as of 24 February 2006:

1) Order of Glory 1st, 2nd and 3rd Class medals with accompanying Full Cavalier award booklet that includes photo of recipient, official military commissariat stamp on photo and date when booklet was issued plus all standard entries.

2) Same as 1) above but the photo does not have the official military commissariat stamp and the booklet lacks an entry for date of issue.

3) Order of Glory 1st, 2nd and 3rd Class medals with accompanying Full Cavalier award booklet but award booklet is missing the photo, official military commissariat stamp and date booklet was issued.

4) Order of Glory 1st, 2nd and 3rd Class medals with accompanying Ordenskaya Knizhka with or without photo.

5) Order of Glory 1st, 2nd and 3rd Class medals with accompanying Voenniy Bilet.

6) Order of Glory 1st, 2nd and 3rd Class medals with research e.g. Special Awards Card for HSU and Full Cavalier and/or Standard Awards Card and/or copies of Glory Award Citations.

7) Order of Glory 1st, 2nd and 3rd Class medals that stand alone without accompanying documentation of any sort.

NOTES:

1) Over the past 15 years I have encountered a few category 1) Full Cavalier sets that also included the associated Ordenskaya Knizhka (OK). These occasions have been far and few between. In those instances where I have seen them, all of the other accompanying awards (e.g. Red Star or Medal for Valor) were never included/available with the set. For this reason, I have not included a separate ranking for category 1) - 3) Full Cavalier sets that might also include the OK since, in my judgment, dealers don't necessarily adjust the price upwards unless the orders/medals identified in the OK are also with the group.

2) The above ranking does not consider Full Cavalier sets that include duplicate Orders of Glory in their make up. While the duplicate(s) may be original in every respect, their presence markedly detracts from the sets' historic/monetary value.

BOTTOM LINE: My observation is that dealers' asking prices for a Full Cavalier set generally follow the above guideline. I look forward to your thoughts.

Regards,

slava1stclass
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