VC89

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  1. Thank you for the reply. @Jef: Indeed ... and I forgot to check it again ... it was probably due that article that I remember something about the field army. Vincent
  2. I was reorganizing my medal collection and found some pieces that I haven't identified or know very little about. Maybe some people here know more about them then I do and are willing to share . Every information is welcome. All of them are (presumed) Belgian and military (or war) related. 1) (mini) I have no clue 2) Came with some sort of membershipcard (last pic), 3) Read somewhere that it is related with the field army (Veldleger) but have no idea which oranisation A.N.V. - N.V.V. is. 4) Oueverture Nationale de Service Social aux Familles de Militaires (O.N.S.S.F.M.) - Nationale Instelling voor Sociale Dienstbetoon aan de Gezinnen van Militairen (N.I.S.D.G.M.) - Translated: National Institution for Social Service to Families of Servicemen. No idea what this institution did or why this medal was awarded (probably for long membership or aiding the institution). 5) Read somewhere that it was awarded to American soldiers who liberated the city of Liege but found no futher info. 6) Probably from a veteran organization of the 2nd Infantry Brigade "Yser" (Free Belgian Forces). Maybe given to soldiers who returned from the occupation in Germeny in 1946. I found that this brigade served there from 1945 till 1946. The B.A.O.R. may indicate they where part of the British Army of the Rhine. Vincent
  3. Thank you, 922F, for showing. I have one case almost exactly like yours (the dark one) but it has an "O" under the crowned "A". On an other forum (https://www.ablhistoryforum.be/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=6331) they stated that it was for an Officer's cross of the Order of Leopold during the reign of King Albert I. My case is definitly switched because I found a Belgian War Cross (1940) in it. Vincent
  4. Thanks to S. Astill (Curator – Military Collections, Exhibitions and Special Projects of the South West Heritage Trust (www.swheritage.org.uk)) who gave me this response: "Somerset became the temporary home to many Belgian refugees fleeing their country following the German attack of August 1914. Committees were set up in towns across the county to raise funds to support the refugee families during their stay. This medal as awarded to people who supported the committee in Taunton through fundraising or other charity work." Vincent
  5. Thanks for the replies. The e-mail is on the way and when I receive a respons I will let you know. Vincent
  6. I recently received this medal but I'm unable to find more information about it. It has a ribbon in the Belgian colors but the design feels British. My best guess is that it is an unofficial medal given to those involved with the aid of Belgians (possibly refugees) in England (Taunton, Somerset?). All information about this medal or this Belgian Committee is welcome. Kind regards,Vincent
  7. The "Carte du Feux" (or Vuurkaart, Firecard) was created by Royal Decree on 14 may 1932 and was awarded to Belgian soldiers who served at least 12 months in an unit that was in contact with the enemy. This time could be reduced to 9 months in certain situations. So to answer your first question: it was created by the Belgian government. The "Golden Book of the Firecard" was first published in 1933 or 1934 and contains the names of those who held the "firecard". It is not complete because the holders must send an application if they wanted to be mentioned in the book. If I'm not mistaken they received this personilized medal when they buy the book. The difference between real ones and fake, I can not tell you. But since this medal is not very expensive (25-30 euros in Belgium) I would not worry about it too much. I have seen silver(ed) ones but I don't know if they are reproductions or custom made by the recipient. Maybe they can help you on the website www.yser.eu. Unfortunately it is only in dutch but you can send them an e-mail. Your medal belonged to soldier Armand -L.-F.C. Le Roye who served with the 12th regiment of the line. He is mentioned in the 1937 edition of the "Golden Book of the Firecard" pg. 191 (with picture). He had 5 frontstripes, received the Warcross with palm, Victory Medal and Commemorative Medal of the War 1914-1918. All this can be found on the website Guy mentioned: click on "goldebooks online" -> "1937" -> and then search page 191 (he's on the top row, second picture). NOTE that it also says "Ostend". This might be his place of birth but it is not certain since the placed mentioned is the place they lived when they applied for the book. Example: My great-grandfather was born in Haacht but "Zaventem" is mentioned because he lived there at that time. Vincent
  8. 60 years ... that must be a hell of a collection you got. I hope you can find the medal and many other "hidden" or "lost" teasures . Don't feel shy to share the rare or uncommon ones with us . Vincent
  9. @922F You spoke about seeing cased ones in 1994. Do you, by any chance, remember the box it was in. Mine came in a red one with a crown on it (J. Fonson) and I presume this is not the original box but one for the Order of the Crown. But since I haven't seen a cased example of this medal I can't be certain. Vincent
  10. Is this the veteran's medal that you mean? If they did use this it should be easy to recognize. According to an article by Borné it was created by the National Union of Military Veterans of Leopold II (wich was founded in 1947). Vincent
  11. According to Borné this medal was created by King Leopold III by Decree on 10 may 1934, aiming to award those who served Albert I, who died on 17 january 1934. It was awarded to those who served in the royal households of Albert I and/or queen Elisabeth (1909-1934) and/or the households when they were the Count and Countess of Flanders (1905-1909). So it might be possible that they were all awarded during the month may of 1934, since no one could qualify after that date. Unfortunately Borné does not mention it. Vincent
  12. Picture 1 is the front of the medal and the "A" is the revers. (If this is what you mean). I'm very interested in the difference between a copy and a real one (and if possible, the documentation or source of it) since I have the medal in my collection. (see pics) Vincent
  13. The uniform(s) with ribbons ... the medals ... the documents ... and all of the same person Now I'm jealous As for the regulations ... it doesn't suprise me that an officer (or a soldier) doesn't know them. We are medal enthusiasts here and we have trouble knowing what medal comes before an other. And to be honest, I don't think anyone in Belgium really cares (exept us). Most of the Royal Decrees that create a medal that I've seen just state: "The medal comes directly behind ..." or "... comes after all medals already existing". So first you have to find all Royal Decrees and then you must puzzle them into a list The only full list that I found was one created by a medal collector (Hendrik Meerschaert) on his website www.medals.be, but this site is down . Vincent
  14. I don't think so. The hierarchy should be: National Orders (with their own hierarchy, wich is correct in this picture) Medals of the two World Wars and the Korean War Militray Decoration (article 4) [10th in this picture. It could be that this medal precede also the war medals but I'm not sure.] Military Cross Military Decoration [...] Foreign Medals (in chronological order as they are received) Question to the members of the Belgian Army: Since I haven't served in the Belgian Army I wonder if it is possible to serve at least 10 years as a soldier or NCO (Military Decoration 2nd class) and than, at least, 25 years as an officer (Military Cross 1st class)? Here are some usefull links for this matter: (all are in Dutch, last two can be translated in English, German and French on the top left) http://www.orderofleopold.be/nl/deco01.php (Dutch) http://www.orderofleopold.be/en/deco01.php (English) Below: Can be translated in English by clicking "En" on the top left. http://diplomatie.belgium.be/nl/Diensten/Protocol/nationale_orden/het_dragen_van_binnen-_en_buitenlandse_eretekens http://diplomatie.belgium.be/nl/Diensten/Protocol/nationale_orden/hierarchie (Hierarchy of the National Orders) Vincent