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  1. Hey Guy, Shouldn't it be the Civil Decoration for Bravery, Devotion and Philantrophy instead of the Civil Decoration for Long Service in the Administration? I only count two black stripes instead of three. Kind Regards, Vincent
  2. Stuka is right. The medal is the Industry and Agricultural Decoration or under it's later name Decoration of Labour (medal is the same only the name changes) and has nothing to do with the army. But on the bright side, it has the name of the maker on it's back (J. Fonson Brussels) wich makes it more uncommon (even rare) to find (even in Belgium). Someone told me this was done in the early 20th century, but I can't verify that. Nevertheless with the discription on the back it's the hardest to find medal in your modest collection . If it hadn't any discription on it's back it's the easyest medal to find. Your (metal) badges are cap badges of the Infantry: 2nd line regiment (dragon, used since 1950 till disbanment) and 11th line regiment (shield and trees, used since 1949 till disbandment). Vincent
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    Belgian Korea Medals

    The bar "Korea-Coree" does not belong on this medal but it is not uncommon that veterans put this sort of bars on their medals. Belgium is not very strict about this things. The "Military Decoration (art. 4)", for gallantry, can only have a chevron (for a first class award) and a palm (for gallantry in war) on it's ribbon. There are four types of Palms: with an "A" (created in 1915) with an "LIIIL" (created in 1941) with an "L", (created in 1952) without any monogram since 1954 The black bar means the recipient fell during combat or died from wounds received by the enemy. The mother of the fallen soldier was allowed to wear this medal if this bar was attached. The black bar on your medal looks not well made. It should have silver sides with black enamel (not sure I translated this correctly) in the middle. Personally I thinks it's not genuine. Vincent
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    belgian Order of Leopold l

    Ending with Buls in 2016 and reviving this topic with him (I hope) I bought this knight in the Order of Leopold and believes it it from Ch. Buls (ca. 1845 - 1880s). Unfortunatly I can't decipher the silvermark. I checked it with A. Ruokonen's book "Spirit of the lion" and it seems to match, at least to me, with Charles Buls. I hope someone can verify this or disprove this. Kind Regards, Vincent
  5. Thank you for the reply. @Jef: Indeed ... and I forgot to check it again ... it was probably due that article that I remember something about the field army. Vincent
  6. I was reorganizing my medal collection and found some pieces that I haven't identified or know very little about. Maybe some people here know more about them then I do and are willing to share . Every information is welcome. All of them are (presumed) Belgian and military (or war) related. 1) (mini) I have no clue 2) Came with some sort of membershipcard (last pic), 3) Read somewhere that it is related with the field army (Veldleger) but have no idea which oranisation A.N.V. - N.V.V. is. 4) Oueverture Nationale de Service Social aux Familles de Militaires (O.N.S.S.F.M.) - Nationale Instelling voor Sociale Dienstbetoon aan de Gezinnen van Militairen (N.I.S.D.G.M.) - Translated: National Institution for Social Service to Families of Servicemen. No idea what this institution did or why this medal was awarded (probably for long membership or aiding the institution). 5) Read somewhere that it was awarded to American soldiers who liberated the city of Liege but found no futher info. 6) Probably from a veteran organization of the 2nd Infantry Brigade "Yser" (Free Belgian Forces). Maybe given to soldiers who returned from the occupation in Germeny in 1946. I found that this brigade served there from 1945 till 1946. The B.A.O.R. may indicate they where part of the British Army of the Rhine. Vincent
  7. Thank you, 922F, for showing. I have one case almost exactly like yours (the dark one) but it has an "O" under the crowned "A". On an other forum (https://www.ablhistoryforum.be/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=6331) they stated that it was for an Officer's cross of the Order of Leopold during the reign of King Albert I. My case is definitly switched because I found a Belgian War Cross (1940) in it. Vincent
  8. I recently received this medal but I'm unable to find more information about it. It has a ribbon in the Belgian colors but the design feels British. My best guess is that it is an unofficial medal given to those involved with the aid of Belgians (possibly refugees) in England (Taunton, Somerset?). All information about this medal or this Belgian Committee is welcome. Kind regards,Vincent
  9. Thanks to S. Astill (Curator – Military Collections, Exhibitions and Special Projects of the South West Heritage Trust (www.swheritage.org.uk)) who gave me this response: "Somerset became the temporary home to many Belgian refugees fleeing their country following the German attack of August 1914. Committees were set up in towns across the county to raise funds to support the refugee families during their stay. This medal as awarded to people who supported the committee in Taunton through fundraising or other charity work." Vincent
  10. Thanks for the replies. The e-mail is on the way and when I receive a respons I will let you know. Vincent
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    Belgian Carte du Feu

    The "Carte du Feux" (or Vuurkaart, Firecard) was created by Royal Decree on 14 may 1932 and was awarded to Belgian soldiers who served at least 12 months in an unit that was in contact with the enemy. This time could be reduced to 9 months in certain situations. So to answer your first question: it was created by the Belgian government. The "Golden Book of the Firecard" was first published in 1933 or 1934 and contains the names of those who held the "firecard". It is not complete because the holders must send an application if they wanted to be mentioned in the book. If I'm not mistaken they received this personilized medal when they buy the book. The difference between real ones and fake, I can not tell you. But since this medal is not very expensive (25-30 euros in Belgium) I would not worry about it too much. I have seen silver(ed) ones but I don't know if they are reproductions or custom made by the recipient. Maybe they can help you on the website www.yser.eu. Unfortunately it is only in dutch but you can send them an e-mail. Your medal belonged to soldier Armand -L.-F.C. Le Roye who served with the 12th regiment of the line. He is mentioned in the 1937 edition of the "Golden Book of the Firecard" pg. 191 (with picture). He had 5 frontstripes, received the Warcross with palm, Victory Medal and Commemorative Medal of the War 1914-1918. All this can be found on the website Guy mentioned: click on "goldebooks online" -> "1937" -> and then search page 191 (he's on the top row, second picture). NOTE that it also says "Ostend". This might be his place of birth but it is not certain since the placed mentioned is the place they lived when they applied for the book. Example: My great-grandfather was born in Haacht but "Zaventem" is mentioned because he lived there at that time. Vincent
  12. 60 years ... that must be a hell of a collection you got. I hope you can find the medal and many other "hidden" or "lost" teasures . Don't feel shy to share the rare or uncommon ones with us . Vincent
  13. @922F You spoke about seeing cased ones in 1994. Do you, by any chance, remember the box it was in. Mine came in a red one with a crown on it (J. Fonson) and I presume this is not the original box but one for the Order of the Crown. But since I haven't seen a cased example of this medal I can't be certain. Vincent
  14. Is this the veteran's medal that you mean? If they did use this it should be easy to recognize. According to an article by Borné it was created by the National Union of Military Veterans of Leopold II (wich was founded in 1947). Vincent
  15. According to Borné this medal was created by King Leopold III by Decree on 10 may 1934, aiming to award those who served Albert I, who died on 17 january 1934. It was awarded to those who served in the royal households of Albert I and/or queen Elisabeth (1909-1934) and/or the households when they were the Count and Countess of Flanders (1905-1909). So it might be possible that they were all awarded during the month may of 1934, since no one could qualify after that date. Unfortunately Borné does not mention it. Vincent
  16. Picture 1 is the front of the medal and the "A" is the revers. (If this is what you mean). I'm very interested in the difference between a copy and a real one (and if possible, the documentation or source of it) since I have the medal in my collection. (see pics) Vincent
  17. The uniform(s) with ribbons ... the medals ... the documents ... and all of the same person Now I'm jealous As for the regulations ... it doesn't suprise me that an officer (or a soldier) doesn't know them. We are medal enthusiasts here and we have trouble knowing what medal comes before an other. And to be honest, I don't think anyone in Belgium really cares (exept us). Most of the Royal Decrees that create a medal that I've seen just state: "The medal comes directly behind ..." or "... comes after all medals already existing". So first you have to find all Royal Decrees and then you must puzzle them into a list The only full list that I found was one created by a medal collector (Hendrik Meerschaert) on his website www.medals.be, but this site is down . Vincent
  18. I don't think so. The hierarchy should be: National Orders (with their own hierarchy, wich is correct in this picture) Medals of the two World Wars and the Korean War Militray Decoration (article 4) [10th in this picture. It could be that this medal precede also the war medals but I'm not sure.] Military Cross Military Decoration [...] Foreign Medals (in chronological order as they are received) Question to the members of the Belgian Army: Since I haven't served in the Belgian Army I wonder if it is possible to serve at least 10 years as a soldier or NCO (Military Decoration 2nd class) and than, at least, 25 years as an officer (Military Cross 1st class)? Here are some usefull links for this matter: (all are in Dutch, last two can be translated in English, German and French on the top left) http://www.orderofleopold.be/nl/deco01.php (Dutch) http://www.orderofleopold.be/en/deco01.php (English) Below: Can be translated in English by clicking "En" on the top left. http://diplomatie.belgium.be/nl/Diensten/Protocol/nationale_orden/het_dragen_van_binnen-_en_buitenlandse_eretekens http://diplomatie.belgium.be/nl/Diensten/Protocol/nationale_orden/hierarchie (Hierarchy of the National Orders) Vincent
  19. They should be, although exeptions can be granted due to courtesy. But note that in this case the Belgian medals are not correct worn either. It should be (foreign medals exluded): Officer cross's (Order of Leopold, Order of the Crown and Order of Leopold II), War Cross, Yser medal, Firecross, Victory Medal, Commemorative Medal of the War 14-18, Military Cross. I'm not sure if he should wear the cross of officer in the Order of Leopold, Order of the Crown and Order of Leopold II since he has higher decoration of those orders. In my opinion the crossed swords (on the ribbon of the cross of Officer in the Order of Leopold II) should be on the sash of the Grand Cross of the Order of Leopold II, his highest decoration. Vincent
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    Unknown Belgian Medal?

    If you (ever) find one you may let me know :). You find some medals on one website, a few others on an other website, forums, ... . There are just so many unofficial medals in Belgium that it is very hard (or even impossible) to make such a website. There was once a website with a lot of them but he quitted because many of the information and pictures were used without his approval. He still (or at least a few years ago) awnsered questions by e-mail. See his website: http://users.skynet.be/belgian.medals/index.html. Maybe he can help you. Vincent
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    Unknown Belgian Medal?

    I found it on an other, french, forum http://www.passionmilitaria.com/t110908-medaille-du-groupe-athos (Stuka you beat me by a minute :)) It's a medal from the Athos group (a Belgian resistance group).
  22. Personally I would not worry. Belgian medals are usually made by many manufacturers (Fonson, Degreef, Wolfers, ....) and they usually show some small difference (this ball might be one of them). Some of these medals in my collection have a bigger ball suspension than the other ones. There are some hard to find types of this Belgian medal but I don't see the marks of Alexander Leisek (LA) of Edward Riemer (R) (two Czechoslovakian makers). Does it have a triangle stamp or "Made in France" on de rim? I can not guarantee that nobody has made fake medals of a Belgiam Victory Medal but since this one is very common in Belgium and can be bought for a price between 5 and 10 euro (with ribbon) I think it must be a big scaled forgery if someone wants to make a lot of money with it. I would choose an other medal to fake This said James P. Michels Jr. states in his book "Wolrd War I Victory Medals" (expanded edition, 2016) that there is a reproduction of this medal with a "a reddish color, possibly copper." (pg. 180). Unfortunatly he gives no information where he found this information. Since bronze is an alloy of copper and tin it is possibly that the manufacturer used a little more copper than others, hence the reddisch color (although the color on the pictures looks fine to me). The 36 mm is the right diameter. Vincent
  23. Never seen it before but if I must guess I would be: Federatie Verbroedering Belgische OologsVrijwilligers 40-45 (Dutch) - Fédération Fraternelles du Volontaires de Guerre Belge 40-45 (French) (Englisch: Federation Fraternization of Belgian War Volunteers 40-45). It may fit with the British helmet om the medal, since Belgian war volunteers enlisted in the British Army. Does the medal show something on the reverse? Vincent
  24. This arrived in my mailbox today. The medal in it was the Belgian War Cross 1940-1945 (with palm "LIIIL") but it seems strange to me that the box has the monogram of King Albert I while the medail is from the reign of King Leopold III. I'm thinking (or hoping :-) ) in the direction of Royal Household Decorations in which the "O" means "OR" (French for gold). The "O" is also the first letter of the Dutch name for the War Cross (Oorlogskruis) but if it is the box for a War Cross from the First World War, I think I should have found it already or at least seen it before. Which is not the case. So if anyone have seen this box or know more about it, feel free to share :-) By the way: The box is from Gustave Wolfers.