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About pieter1012

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  1. General Nogi's Pour le Merite

    Hello Nick, that is a very nice photo of general Nogi with the Pour le Merite. Haven't seen that one before. here everything is OK with me, spending my time between Europe and Japan. As for our common hobby, collecting Japanese stuff has become so expensive that most is beyond the means of a retired civil servant. On ebay a prewar Showa grandcross document of the Rising Sun recently sold for over 3000 US$! Yahoo Jp is not much better. But I am content with what I have and enjoy it. I am now interested in the history of Papal medals and documents related to the Risorgimento, when Pope Pius IX lost most of his temporal power. Many Dutch young catholics joined the zouaves to defend the Pope, so from time to time nice items show up here for a reasonable price. Regards, Pieter
  2. General Nogi's Pour le Merite

    I checked several Japanese books and found one photo of general Nogi with, I am almost sure, the Pour le Merite. Unfortunately, the order is not clearly visible, but the shape is exactly the same. As Nogi is also wearing the grandcross star of the Sacred Treasure, the photo must be taken before the end of the Russo-Japanese war, because after that he received the grand cross of the Golden Kite and again later the Rising Sun with Paulonia Flowers. I also have a prewar postcard of the orders and medals of general Nogi, as used to be exhibited in his house after his death. As you can see no Pour le Merite is included, perhaps because of WWI? By the way, the posthumous medals of both his sons are also shown. I visited the Nogi shrine beginning of this year for "shogatsu" and in the display room only the grand cross Golden Kite was exhibited. His other decorations may be at the Yasukuni shrine museum. I haven't been there for a while, but will try to visit it coming January and will check if Nogi's other orders/medals are there. Regards, Pieter
  3. In 1907 the lions in the coat of arms of the Netherlands were officially changed from outward looking to inward looking, so I suppose the crest on the Star was altered around that time.
  4. Windu, if you allow me to "hijack" your thread, before the Star for Loyalty and Merit was established, the Governor-general could award individual gold or silver medals, to be worn on a chain around the neck to the local officials who distinghed themselves.The golden ones were normally reserved for the Sultans, Pangerans and Radens. Few have been issued and they were all named and dated, and are of course very rare. In 1871 the Netherlands Indies government decided to standardize these individual awards and made a standard medal, with the Dutch coat of arms at front and the text Het Nederlands Indisch Gouvernement aan....name and titel of the recipient. (the Netherlands Indies Government to...). These medals, in silver and bronze (no more gold ones) were worn on a blue, orange, blue ribbon (like the one on the bronze Star I showed earlier) and were awarded till the Star for Loyaty and Merit was instituted in 1893. I have a silver medal in my collection, awarded to Si oepar galar pertoean Sripada. Unfortunately i have little knowledge of Malay, so cannot translate it, except the name Si oepar and he must have been some leader in Sumatra. It is of heavy silver with a diameter of 50mm, made by Van Arcken in Batavia. Hope you like the pictures. Could finally find out how to make the pictures upright, so here again the document for the Bronze Star, so it will be easier to read. Best regards, Pieter
  5. Here a better picture of the first type, this is the bronze version
  6. Hi Windu, a nice find, as you wrote already, there are not so many of these awards around anymore, especially with case. Fortunately quite a number of them were brought to The Netherlands, probably before or just after the war, so they turn up from time to time in auctions here. Actually the Great Gold and Silver star had a different apearance than the small Star. Although I have a number of small Stars in my collection, the Great Stars I am still looking for, but I show here a picture of how they look like. Also of the small Stars, there are two versions, the first one with the lions on the crest looking toward you, and the newer one with the lions looking inward, like the one you bought. The older ones had also different ribbons. I have included a picture of the first version of the small Silver Star. Of course the award documents for this star are very rare to find as most have been destroyed or just lost. I am happy to have in my collection a Bronze Star certificate from 1939. As these Stars were issued by the Governor-General of the Netherlands Indies, there are unfortunately, as far as I know, no records here in the Netherlands of the number awarded. I don't seem to get the pictures upright; I insert them like that and then they come out sudeways, sorry for that. best regards, Pieter
  7. Naming on GSM

    Hallo Mark, thank you very much for this very useful information. I could check google on the C.L.C. and learned more about it. As it was established in 1952, it corresponds with the young Queen Elisabeth head I have on my medal. There is no prefix before the number. Thanks again and best regards, Pieter
  8. Hi all, although not my main area of collecting, I could buy recently an attractive grand officer star of the Lion & the Sun for a reasonable price. It is a small 6 ray star (8cm diameter) and the ray at 4 o'clock looks repaired. The center medaillon is very nicely painted with an eye for details. It has no maker or silver marks, so I went through this long but very interesting thread on the order. What I learned is that most European made stars have a nameplate on the back, and that usually the grand officer star consists of 7 rays. Therefore I think my star could be a locally Persian made one. Actually, in post nbrs 424 and 425 (2012) Owain pictures a similar small sized star. However he doesn't mention a maker or from which period it might be, so I wonder if Owain, if he reads this, or any other member of this forum could give me some information on the possible maker and time period. Thanks and regards, Pieter
  9. Naming on GSM

    Hi, I have also one, with bar Malaya, named to a Chinese; 2046 Teh Meng Seng. C,L.C. (a komma after the C) I bought it long time ago and must admit that I never tried to find out what those initials meant, but I guess this is a good opportunity to do so. If anyone can help me, many thanks. regards, Pieter
  10. Najaf Coins has an original Garter collar from 1878 for sale, for $1,250,000. Need to win the Euro Lottery jackpot to be able to afford that.
  11. Order of the Iron Crown

    Hi Tifes, thanks for giving the sizes of the different classes of the Iron Crown, and the orders you show are beautiful. The third class looks especially finely made. regards, Pieter
  12. Order of the Iron Crown

    hi Tifes, thank you for your valuable comments. As with the third class (commander) an eclipse ring was used to hang the order on a ribbon around the neck, could it be that the neckbadge had the same size as the sashbadge of the first class? Yes, I am very happy with the set I have, it is a beauty to look at. Regards, Pieter
  13. Order of the Iron Crown

    Hi Tifes, the suspension ring could also indicate it was the pendant for the grand cross of The Iron Crown. However, I don't know if the size for both pendants are the same. Anyway, as you wrote already, a very nice piece. For comparisson I have include pictures of the Iron Crown First class I have, which has the same hallmarks as that of Christian. regards, Pieter
  14. Spange document

    Jim, a very nice late war Iron Cross Spange document. I have also a very late war Iron Cross document, signed on 1 May 1945 by generaloberst von Blaskowitz, as commander of the German Forces in the Netherlands during the closing days of the war. Four days later he was signing the instrument of surrender to the Canadian general Foulkes, in a hotel in the eastern part of the Netherlands. Because of its connection to the war in my country, I like this document.
  15. Fake or not, Order of Medjidie

    Hi Demir, sorry if my question confused you. I just wanted to add that the size could determine the class. Anders, you should measure diameter of the star from point to point. Then, looking at your photo, your star should be around 85 - 86 mm so most likely, a 2d class star. Regards, Pieter