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Dave Wilkinson

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  1. Bruce,

    There was only one Constable W. BELL serving in "D" Division during the period covered by the medals. His Warrant No:- was 78129. His first name was William. He joined the Metpol. on 21st November 1892 and was posted to "D" Division. He retired on pension as a Constable on 13th November 1920. He spent the whole of his service in "D" Division (Marylebone sometimes referred to as St. Marylebone).  I hope this is helpful.

    Dave.

     

     


  2. The War Dept. Constabulary were not formed until 1925 and it would seem that prior to that time certain War Dept. establishments were a Metpol. responsibility. The cost of providing such policing would be recharged to the War Dept. This is the most rational explanation I can think of in respect of Constable Ind's deployment. As an aside, the deployment of Metpol. officers outside London is not particularly unusual. At one time they policed the Royal Dockyards throughout the UK and indeed they still perform duty on the Royal Estates in Scotland and elsewhere outside the Metropolis. I hope this is helpful.

    Dave.

       


  3. Several years ago, I had the opportunity of buying the late John Green's entire Scottish truncheon/tipstaff collection from his widow. Alas, I don't collect truncheons. That said, I did have some very nice Scottish police badges from his Estate. I suspect that his truncheon collection is now somewhat scattered. I sincerely hope that the finer pieces remained in the UK.

    Dave.

     

    Dave.


  4. Medals are not (certainly in the UK or in the UK Overseas Territories) ) kept in the "stores". They are of such value and individuality (to the Officer so awarded) that they are "minted" as required and are kept at the Commissioner's/Chief Constable's Office until approved presentation ceremonies. Your assertion that you were simply given one when you were not entitled to such medal does indeed reflect upon the integrity of the police force concerned. It also undermines and devalues the medal itself as any right minded individual will surely agree.

    Finally, I am simply repeating what you yourself have said. If that is a "malicious" statement then you need to take issue with the individual making it. Namely yourself.

    Dave.

       


  5. If you read this thread you will see that a previous correspondent indicated that if you are well connected and visit their stores, they will dip into an appropriate cardboard box and give you one (whether entitled or not) . The photographs indicate (to me at least) that the medals are poorly made. That said, they are an officially approved medal in that Country and as such merit a mention here.

    Dave.

     


  6.  

    Hi Dave,

    Very impressive collection and really picture.

    All the best,

    Stewart

    Hi Mike,

    Very impressive collection, although I served in the Met from 1979 - 2009, I have only just started to collect additional memorabilia.  I have kept lots of pieces throughout my service that were pertinent to my career, including pictures and statements of some of my cases and managed by way of the Freedom of Information Act  to obtain my complete service record.

    I have purchased a couple of Met KGVI Special Constabulary badges but notice some have different colours within the Kings Crown.  Do you know the significance of them?

    Many thanks,

    Stewart Rivers

    Stewart,

    The colours in the Crowns signify different ranks. I'll try to get this right, White Crown= Commandant;

    Blue Crown= Chief Inspector; Red Crown= Inspector; Yellow Crown= Sergeant; Plain Crown=Constable.

    Hope this is helpful.

    Dave.

     


  7. As you say, it would be reasonable to assume that because of their short lived existence, insignia from the Luton County Borough Police (1964-66) would be difficult to find. That is certainly not the case. It would seem that the force spent lavishly on badges (and buttons) of various patterns and in very large numbers. It was a fair sized force by "Borough" standards and it rapidly increased its strength during its short existence. The County Borough Corporation, basking in its newly found municipal status obviously told its Watch Committee that money was no object. I recall writing to the force (as a young boy) in 1964 asking for a helmet badge. Almost by return a "Kodak* box arrived containing a variety of the new badges. Sent with his compliments and without charge, the CC said in the accompanying letter. Happy days! I still have them. Luton's badges (mainly the helmet plates) are still to be easily had to-day which is an indication of the large stocks which must have been bought. 

    Dave.


  8. Iain,

    Firstly, to correct the information given by a previous contributor, the War Dept. Constabulary existed in that name from 1925 to 1964. In 1964 it was re-named the Army Dept. Constabulary. That said, there was no change of insignia, WDC badges continuing to be worn. In 1971, the force was amalgamated together with the other civilian service police forces to form the Ministry of Defence Police.

    With regard to the records of the WDC,, your first port of call should be the National Archives at Kew. If you have no luck there you could try the MoD Police themselves. They do maintain quite a few historical records at their HQ.

    Dave. 

     

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