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    Dave Wilkinson

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    1. On 16/11/2020 at 15:16, QSAMIKE said:

      Sorry but have never seen one of these before.....   Do not think it is official being made by a private company and not the Royal Mint.....    Could be a school or academy award medal of some type.....

       

      Mike

      Not all "official" medals manufactured in the UK for HM Government are manufactured by the Royal Mint.

      Dave.

      1 hour ago, peter monahan said:

      'V & S' is Vaughton and Sons, who made silver items from 1888 to 1992.  The image below is from this site: https://www.silvermakersmarks.co.uk/Makers/Birmingham-V.html

      The 'Seen on' - column 3 - suggest a sports group or society, perhaps of sailors or something of the sort.  Almost certainly not military, given the points raised above.

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      Vaughton & Sons are still in existence and still manufacture silver items including insignia and medals. They did not cease in 1992 as your posting suggests.

      Dave.

       

    2. Please see the appended images. The Lancashire Constabulary did use an identical helmet plate to that which is fitted to the helmet with the obvious exception that it had their force title on it and the County shield centre. I hope this is helpful. As an aside, I'm not aware of any forces in the north of wales who wore a similar helmet in Victorian or Edwardian times. On the balance of probabilities your helmet originates from a force in the North West of England.

       

      Dave.   

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    3. 1 hour ago, paddywhack said:

      He got 2 years with 18 months suspended so I'm reading it hes going to jail for 6 months and to bloody right he should be good to jail for it!

      No, you've got it wrong. He was sentenced to two years imprisonment suspended for 18 months. If he re-offends within 18 months the two years imprisonment comes into effect. He is currently a free man.

      Dave.

       

    4. 1 hour ago, NormanW said:

      I'm trying to identify the police force that the officer in the centre of the photo was a member of.  Despite an unusual fluted spike finial on the helmet and what looks like a quartrefoil surmounted by an inverted chevron on the epaulette, I am struggling.

      The picture is from a damaged postcard c.1915-1918 with a soldier on either side.  The cap badge on the right is indistinguishable, but the one on the left looks unusual.  Can I ask please if anyone can identify the regiment the soldier on the left was from?  It might help to narrow down the area where the police officer was from.  Thanks for reading.

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      The badges on this photo appear to have been deliberately obliterated so as to ensure that they cannot be identified. There is no definition or detail on the police helmet badge. The badge on the policeman's shoulder is a King's Crown. However, some effort has been expended to ensure that (for whatever reason) it can't be clearly identified as such. I wonder why?

    5. Again, I think that the use of the term WPC depended on the force. In Liverpool City, Liverpool & Bootle and Merseyside (prior to 1975), women were shown as Con. 118"WP" Smith,  Sgt. 10"WP" Smith., Insp. Smith "WP"., C/Insp. Smith "WP" and so on. After 1975, and for many years the letter "W" prefixed the rank. I'd guess that even that has been dropped now. During my time it was often important to be able to identify women officers on paper etc., as obviously you very often needed to ensure that a woman officer was present (or deliberately absent) on certain occasions for operational reasons.

      Dave.  

    6. As I understand it "Detective Sergeant" is not,  a rank as such. The rank is "Sergeant" and the prefix Detective is a mere designation. Can't understand why PS is used on this particular medal, as you suggest, "Sergt" is usually the norm.

      In several forces the prefix "Police" in respect of ranks is regarded as being a total "non, no". PSNI (and the old RUC) is one such force and another is Merseyside Police where the title Constable is used and not prefixed by "Police". The term PS is also very much a "no, no" in Merseyside (and the PSNI). The term "PS" is, in effect, an afterthought on a piece of written correspondence, a fact of which I was forcefully remined of when I had the temerity to refer to a Sergeant as such on my return from District Training Centre many years ago.

      Finally, you will never find the term "Police Constable" mentioned in any UK Act of Parliament. You will find "Constable", but it is never proceeded with the word "Police".

      Dave. 

       

    7. I'm not quite sure what you mean when you refer to the security services. The term security services usually mean MI5 or MI6. I'm fairly confident that they would have no connection with the prison service. In many (but not all) British Colonies, the Prison Service often came under the management of the Commissioner/Chief of Police. Insofar as Cyprus is concerned I can confirm that the police and the prison service each had their own distinctive cap and collar badges. That was also the case in Palestine, where I can confirm that the Commissioner of Police did command both organisations. In all probability that was also the case in Cyprus.

      Dave. 

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