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    Need help identifying medal.

    Hi Glenn, I would say that this particular medal should be the Medal for saving of the Papal State by Austrian troops 1849 ( Medaille für die Rettung des Kirchenstaates durch österreichische Truppen 1849). If the regiment is correct (Erzherzog Karl Uhlanen Regiment No.3) then the major on the canvas might be probably Ferdinand Graf von (Count of) Vetter von der Lilie, later Feldmarschalleutnant (2 stars general but in k.u.k. Army just one rank below full General). Regards, Tom
  2. Hi Tony, what´s the question? Sorry , I didn't get it. It´s Military Merit Cross III. Class with War Decoration and Swords, so-called 3th issue (circa 1866-1918). This one originates from WWI. It´s extremely hard to recognize hallmarks or maker´s mark from these pics (for me it´s impossible) but obviously it´s silver ("head of Diana" ??? on the suspension, left side) and on the right side I would say it´s also manufacturer´s mark but I can´t see it. However, it doesn't matter...just MVK 3. Klasse mit KD und Schwertern...very nice and good preserved one but also very common decoration indeed. Regards, Tomas (tifes)
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    Leopold orden badge for officers

    Every Order of Imperial Austria/Austria-Hungary (with the exception of FJO) had a Order Chapter (Ordenskapitel), which served as a chancellery of the Order. They had been responsible for correspondence with awardees, distribution of the orders and their reception (after dead of the awardee) to the Order´s treasury as well as for an organization of everyday life of the Order. In the 1st half of 19 cent. knights/commanders/grand crosses´ holders of the Order had been also summoned by Order Chapter for church ceremonies on the day of the particular Saint of the Order. They also wore special robes (classes had been distinguished - knight/most simple, holders of the grand crosses/most complicated). In course of time and with growing numbers of knights of all classes these ceremonies ceased to exist or better said they were not organized anymore. Every Order Chapter had their own officials - Chancellor, Chaplain Grand Vicar, Chaplain Vicar, Treasurer, Herold and Registrar. Those had been official (not officers) of the Order Chapter and these distinguished people had been entitled to wear special badge of "their Order" indicating their office by ceremonial occasions. This should be 2. Model - period 1862-1918 (1. Model 1808 -1862 had a shape of medal - not preserved in any known and genuine piece , at least what I know) and of course is very scarce and valuable item for collectors. However...an originality of this very badge could be also challenged... Regards, tifes
  4. Well James, I doubt that anybody can say exactly who is "the manufacturer" but it´s modern low quality copy, basically (sorry for this)...worthless. Tomas
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    Austrian obtain Chinese Empire order

    +1 to Christian1962 - moreover there ares "swords" on Leopold Order - knight cross with war decoration and Iron Crown Order III. Class with war decoration. "Swords" had been instituted just in December 1916 so photo was taken afterwards. Pretty much 1917-1918. Second picture - photo originates also from WWI period (1914-1918) as Officer´s Cross of Red Cross was instituted only in 1914 . There is also Iron Crown Order III. Class with war decoration, which looks definitely like WWI period´s one. Regards, Tomas
  6. Hi, It should be "Jubiläums - Hofmedaille" - Jubilee Imperial Court Medal. It existed in version for military and civil service. This should be military one and it had three grades - bronze, silver and gold. However I am sorry to say that this medal looks very much like cast therefore it´s just copy. Regards, tifes
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    Unknown case/etui

    I dare to oppose it. Texture of the case is different and the color is also not corresponding to the box for "Kriegskreuz für Zivilverdienste I Klasse". Please also mind the white textile connection between upper (lid) part and lower (lining) part of the box. It should be wider, more to the edges of the box. Look at that 2nd class box. Inner part also indicates that there was something with ellipsoid shape. It might originate from later period. I would say that it looks like German-style box from 30s or WWII period however it´s just my opinion.
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    Franz Joseph Order Grand Cross ?

    Hi Lars, as I know there are 3 different FJO mini-chains and hence knight, commander/commander with star and grand cross. There isn't (at least I am not ware of it) any difference between commander and commander with star mini-chains, just there is a mini of breast star like you have displayed on the image to indicate commander with star. Regards, Tomas P.S. sorry for hijacking the question for E.L., I hope that I was correct
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    Franz Joseph Order Grand Cross ?

    Dear Christian, I think, and pls correct me if I am wrong, that hallmarking law introducing three hallmarks for gold (head of Apollo, head of Chamois, head of Fox) came into force as of 1. January 1867. There was a slight change in the appearance of these hallmarks (and also other ones for silver and imported goods) to the 1. April 1872. Therefore I was asking whether head of Chamois hallmark is having also letter "A" present inside the hallmark sign (after 1872) or it´s just without it, only with simple number "3" inside (1867-1872). Badge with this older hallmark would be, with quite high degree of probability (but not 100% certain, of course) the product of Gebrueder Resch company. Later struck with after-1872 hallmark would be very probably Vincenz Mayer´s und Soehne struck. Maybe I wasn't accurate enough. I am sorry for this. Regards, Tomas
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    Franz Joseph Order Grand Cross ?

    Hi, About 90% of all FJO decorations originates from these two producers when majority (period of 1872-1918) comes from VM. Concerning badges of grand cross/commander cross I have also seen Rothe but this is much rarer and it looks different. Of course, there are also some other manufacturers but mostly by other grades like knight crosses (very early version – Kittner, then Boehm, Bachruch) and officer’s crosses (also Rothe, Bachruch, Fischmeister). I have no idea what that number might be. It´s not very likely that it´s some official “serial number”. Maybe some manufacturer´s mark for its own and for me unknown purpose or collector’s mark? FJO was lowest of all Imperial orders and it was never connected to ennoblement therefore it was seen, even by better situated bourgeois social class as something not so very prestige, especially the lowest, knight class. Emperor himself never wore it and there wasn’t any collane/ grand chain like by other orders (all others had grand chain though). Regards,
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    Franz Joseph Order Grand Cross ?

    Hi Alpha Draconis, It´s simple. There are 5 classes of FJO – knight, officer (since 1901), commander, commander with star and grand cross. Badge for grand cross and commander/ commander with star is the same and has the size of 70mm/38mm. The difference is how it was worn. In case of grand cross it was on sash and commanders were worn on neck ribbon. Grand cross is also having breast star which is larger than breast star of commander with star. “Simple” commander had only that badge worn round the neck. It´s gold and then it should be 18k and if it´s “head of Chamois” hallmark then number 3 should be present there. Head of Chamois shouldn’t have any other number. However I am not able to distinguish what I see on the pictures. I am sorry. There had been two major manufacturers. Gebrueder Resch, active in years 1864-1876 (“GR” as maker´s mark) which is early struck or then Vinzenz Mayer´s Soehne - 1872 till the very end – 1918 (usually “VM” as maker´s mark) …all-time classics for FJO. There were also some other producers but these are rarer (it´s not Rothe for sure). Try to find something on the suspension ring but according my humble opinion it´s VM production. If there is nothing then look once again at the hallmark. According the hallmark it might be distinguished whether the badge is made before 1872 or after this date (hint: before 1872 - “3”+ head of chamois; after 1872 - “3” + head of chamois + “A”). One more thing and hence ellipse suspension loop is missing and it was replaced by another smaller suspension ring, which might indicate that the badge was sewn into sash so it was probably grand cross indeed. Regards, TS
  12. Well, I dare to say that nobody expects to have real gold struck GTM Karl on any kind of bar. These medals are really rare and according generally widespread belief they had been given to enlisted men/NCOs or Officers (with “K”) only by emperor himself. Officially awarded GTMs in bronze gilt should have “Bronze” on the rim. These medals, as Enzo wrote, have been seen as replacement and every awarded soldier was entitled to get a real gold one after the war would be won. Moreover, there are also GTMs in bronze gilt given on sale for uniforms shops as second pieces and those should have “HMA Bronze” or “HMA Unecht” on the rim. It might be said that those medals are something like “replacement of the replacement” though. Both these medals in gilt bronze with simply “Bronze” or “HMA Bronze/Unecht” when on the old type of suspension, typical for real gold ones are considered period originals and collectors do not distinguish very much between them. However this theory have also some “leaking parts”. https://www.dorotheum.com/auktionen/aktuelle-auktionen/kataloge/list-lots-detail/auktion/12827-orden-und-auszeichnungen/lotID/3091/lot/2296573-goldene-tapferkeitsmedaille-fur-offiziere.html?currentPage=4&results=sold This medal came from the same provenience and it´s the piece with dedication but it has just “Bronze” on the rim. It’s very unlikely that this is awarded piece. Logic says that this medal was purchased privately and “upgraded” with personalized engraving. “K” also doesn’t correspond to officially awarded pattern and it was privately purchased. Originally awarded “K”s (during WWI) are very rare indeed. This is quite neglected topic and almost every “K” when looking at least somehow decent is considered original. I would humble say that "K" theme is rather tricky. The difference between this bronze GTM with beautiful engraving and that “Spange”, dicussed above is quite obvious. Nobody can challenge that this medal, without with any doubts is attributed to decorated hero Lt. Scheider. It will be so forever and this medal will be always very valuable collectors’ item. On the contrary that “Spange” is just interesting German-style bar with GTM for Officers however by the time nobody would be able to prove that it belonged to somebody famous and when sold separetly the price would be just a fraction...however there comes Enzo´s Charge of Light Brigade Tomas
  13. Well, this “Spange” is later production (probably after 1938), when “K” itself is not original imperial struck and also the GTM is just replacement (HMA Bronze). Rest of the bar is whatever you want it might be and there is a lot of things that you might get for more than 5000 EUR.
  14. Hi Palencia, Well, theoretically he could also get a Merit Cross with Crown on red (peace) ribbon during the WWI if his activity wouldn’t have been anyhow connected with merits in war. However I assume that displayed group belonged to Bavarian military person active for some time before WWI as he also had China Commemoration Medal for Combatants 1901. I would say that he originally received Merit Cross with Crown in real gold before WWI however he preserved that piece as valuable item and replaced it by gilded bronze version which was cheap and easy to acquire. This ribbon is probably from 1920s or maybe even 1930s. It was quite common with old German veterans to preserve the original and unique pieces and use some cheap replacement for everyday wear instead. Even that above- mentioned China medal looks like later struck for me. Regards, Tifes
  15. Well Farkas, I see very ordinary “Bandstreife” bar of the low-ranked AH officer (Leutnant/ 2nd lieutenant or Oberleutnant/ 1st lieutenant), starting with “something” on the ribbon of Military Merit Cross with Swords, which probably should be Bronze Military Merit Medal (BMVM/ Signum Laudis), followed by Karl-Truppen Cross, then there is Jubilee Cross 1908 and last AH medal is Mobilization Cross 1913. The medal at the end of the bar should be 2nd Class Military Merit Cross of Grand Duchy of Mecklenburg-Schwerin. It´s absolutely correct and fully respecting the order of precedence. That officer was too young to get Long Service Cross for Officers for 25 years because even in 1918 he would be commissioned in 1893 which would mean that he had to have Jubilee Medal 1898. Elisabeth-Medaille was only for ladies and it was worn on butterfly ribbon. It goes without saying that there wasn’t any particular “Bandstreife” (small ribbon for bar) for it. It never existed. Regards, Tifes
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