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    Hungarian Military Documents

    Dear Tony, I speak several languages but unfortunately not Hungarian. I know like 20, maybe 30 words and that´s pretty much all. However, there is always a system. Orders and decorations are in ranking, highest one at the 1st position then going down to the last one. I am 100% positive about No.3 and No.4. Why?...these symbols were used already in A-H methodology. Empty circle with "2" equals "Silberne Tapferkeitsmedaille 2te Klasse" (Silver Bravery medal 2nd class), then No3 (empty circle with "1") is "Silberne Tapferkeitsmedaille 1ste Klasse" (Silver Bravery medal 2nd class). He had got them obviously as ensign. No2 must be something higher. There is clearly word "Bronz" and "Karol". It´s pretty much obvious, but for being sure I put to google "Militär" (Military) and "Verdienstmedaille" (Medal for Merit) and it´s "katonai" and " Érdemes érdemek " and in the document there is "kant-é-é". So it is Bronze Military Merit Medal (Signum Laudis) - issue Karl. No1 must be something even higher. What did A-H officers usually get as the first officer´s decoration after Signum Laudis? - Military Merit Cross 3rd class. I have put to google these three words and I have got "katonai" then " érdem " then " kereszt". Whats can you see in the document? - "Kék" and then "3" and "O" which is for " osztály" - "class" and in the brackets you have symbol for war decoration and swords, exactly like in A-H records. No5 - it´s sure that he saw real warfare so there must be somewhere Karl-Truppen Kreuz - ranking below all bravery medals. Once again you put it to google and you find that acronym "K-ésk" pretty much corresponds to it. No6 must be something ranking below KTK. What can it be in case of young 2nd lieutenant/1st lieutenant? There is very little left in real life. He never saw action before WWI. He wasn't even in military before autumn 1914. In A-H records the Medal for Wound (Verwundetenmedaille) was marked by capital letter "V" and there was number for how many times it was awarded, each time for a wound, going from 1 to 5. "Wound" in Hungarian is "Seb" and then all commemorative medals starting with Hungary as his own motherland, then Austria, Bulgaria and the last one it´s Germany. Here we go...
  2. Franz Joseph Order - Officer´s Cross with War Decoration and Swords Iron Crown Order 3rd Class with War Decoration and Swords Military Merit Cross 3rd Class with War Decoration and Swords Bronze Military Merit Medal Karl Army Cross Commemorative Medal 1898 for Military Commemorative Cross 1908 for Military Balkan Mobilisation Cross 1912-1913
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    Hungarian Military Documents

    ...just my 2cents 1. Military Merit Cross 3rd Class with WD and Swords 2. Bronze Military Merit Medal (Signum Laudis) - issue Karl 3. Silver Bravery Medal 1st Class 4. Silver Bravery Medals 2nd Class 5. KTK - Karl Army Cross 6. Medal for Injury - for one time 7. Commemorative Hungarian Medal 8. Commemorative Austrian Medal 9. Commemorative Bulgarian Medal 10. Commemorative German Medal
  4. I subscribe to E.L. note (pics of hinge and silver marks) however, looking at the execution of the red enamel or more concretely at its zig-zag pattern (called Flinkierung in German) on the upper arm, it doesn't look good to me at all. I am sorry if I am right. What were the conditions of purchase/bidding at that auction house? Did you check them beforehand?
  5. Well, I would certainly welcome more detailed close-up images of the eagle, but this Rothe commander star doesn't look genuine to me. Rothe company was still active after the fall of A-H Empire, producing collectors copies of A-H orders till late 1970s.
  6. I can serve only concerning A-H decoration Knight's Cross of the Austrian Military Order of Maria Theresa (awarded on 12 October 1921) -Military Merit Cross 2nd Class with War Decoration and Swords (Austria-Hungary) (1917) - this one is higher then EKO II (awarded after EKOII for sure) - Order of the Iron Crown 2nd Class with War Decoration and Swords (Austria-Hungary) (1916/1917) -Knight's Cross of the Austrian Imperial Order of Leopold with War Decoration (1915) (no swords) -Order of the Iron Crown 3rd Class (Austria-Hungary) (1913) -Military Merit Cross 3rd Class (peace version) (Austria-Hungary) (1909) -Honour Cross 1st Class for Services to the Red Cross (Austria-Hungary) -during WWI (quite high decoration form only general-major) -Bronze Military Merit Medal (Signum Laudis) with Swords on the Ribbon of the Military Merit Cross (Austria-Hungary) -Bronze Military Merit Medal (Signum Laudis) on the Red Ribbon (peace version) (Austria-Hungary) -Military Long Service Decoration for Officers for 25 years (Austria-Hungary) -War Service Medal 1873 (Kriegsmedaille) (Austria-Hungary) - not official award -Commemorative Medal 1898 on the Ribbon for Military (Austria-Hungary) -Commemorative Cross 1908 on the Ribbon for Military (Austria-Hungary) -Balkan Mobilisation Cross 1912-1913 (Austria-Hungary) - never awarded It seems that for some period of time he was not active on battlefield, just on hinterland. 
  7. Absolutely, because it is. I don't have any idea why that medal is there on his uniform. War Medal 1873 is just "gimmick" used by many WWI A-H veterans. That medal was issued in 1873 and was awarded to all combatants of Austrian Empire who took part in some military campaign before WWI. WWI veterans saw it as absolutely normal to put this medal on their uniform after war however it wasn't in the line with official statute.
  8. You welcome. Yes, gen. Laxa is also having Bronze Military Merit Medal on Military Merit Cross ribbon on the picture above however, the picture with his A-H decoration ribbon is very strange. According last k.u.k. generals and colonels list general major Laxa received following decorations during his A-H officer´s career: Military Merit Cross 2nd Class with War Decoration (WD) and swords Iron Crown Order 2nd Class with WD and swords Order of Leopold - knight cross with WD and swords Iron Crown Order 3rd class (obviously awarded before WWI, not worn after reception of 2nd Class) Honour Decoration of Red Cross 1st Class Military Merit Cross 3rd Class with WD (no swords) Military Merit Cross 3rd Class (peace, awarded before WWI) Bronze Military Merit Medal on Military Merit Cross ribbon Bronze Military Merit Medal on red ribbon (peace version, before WWI) Military Long Service Decoration for Officers for 25 years Commemorative Medal 1898 on ribbon for military Commemorative Cross 1908 on ribbon for military There is no Mobilization Cross 1913 mentioned and he obviously never received it. MMTO knight cross came later on, just after WWI at the 188. promotion in 1921. This is Military Long Service Decoration for Officers for 25 years https://www.emedals.com/europe/austria-imperial/medals/long-service-cross/an-austrian-long-service-cross-eu8650
  9. - Order of the Iron Crown 3rd Class with War Decoration and a Swords - Military Merit Cross 3rd Class with War Decoration (and probably with Swords, those can´t be seen) - Military Merit Cross 3rd Class (peace version) - Bronze Military Merit Medal (“Signum Laudis”) on the ribbon of Military Merit Cross (war version also probably with swords) - Bronze Military Merit Medal (“Signum Laudis”) on the red ribbon (peace version) - Military Long Service Decoration for Officers for 25 years - last medal - unrecognizable, maybe some (Hungarian???) commemorative medal
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    ID Weird A-H Flying badges

    just to keep it short...all of them are post-1918 production Best, T.
  11. just some precision about A-H bar medals on the chest (rest is OK) 5 Knight Cross of Leopold Order with War Decoration and Swords 6 Military Merit Cross 3rd Class with War Decoration and swords 7 Military Merit Cross 3rd Class (peace version) 8 Bronze Military Merit Medal (Signum Laudis) with Swords 9 War Service Medal (Kriegsmedaille) 1873 10 Balkan Mobilisation Cross 1912-1913 - Military Merit Cross 2nd Class and Iron Crown 2nd class - both are with War Decoration and swords
  12. you´re welcome Trooper D
  13. I would rather use "Decoration for merits to the Red Cross" instead of "Red Cross Order". It was established just in August 1914 and it´s official A-H state decoration indeed. Looking at the ribbon I would say that the owner was Austrian citizen who got A-H WWI decoration then 1st Republic´s decoration and obviously then a foreign Red Cross decoration and hence this is not my field of expertise I am almost 100% positive that´s Portuguese Red Cross award (coat of arms on the front side). A-H decorations for merits to the Red Cross were bestowed to individuals who contributed somehow to the activates of Red Cross. War Decoration was for service in war which is very wide definition and it might vary from doctor in the field hospital just on the frontline to somebody who provided shelter, supplies, finances (whatever) to hospitals, healing facilities in hinterland. It wasn't necessary to dodge the bullets to get it. Payment of the contributions to the Red Cross activities was awarded by bronze medal and/or silver medal - both without war decoration and/or Honor decoration of 2nd Class, also without war decoration. Higher awards (Officer´s Cross and higher grade) couldn't be "bought" like this and they were awarded only in exchange for some kind of service.
  14. True, I apologize. Petrinja is in the Banija region, however, he was born there or at least the original record says that. I would say his birthplace it´s not so much of importance as he could be born wherever as his father as kuk officer could be stationed basically anywhere. General himself during his long active career was serving at many places as in Bosnia and Herzegovina during Uprising then in Esztergom (Hungary), Prague and ended up in Vienna. After the fall of Austria-Hungary he obviously signed in to Austrian citizenship.
  15. Well, it´s very much true what was stated by Sajkaca about Serbian noble family of Vojnovich/Woinowitch however, it doesn’t seem likely that Emil Woinowitsch von Belobreska has anything to do with this noble house. House of Woinowitch could be tracked back to late 16 century and was active in 18th and 19th century with members of the family living up to mid-20th century. There is no record of any kuk general named Emil Woinowich or Vojnovich in the Vojnovich pedigree, which is well documented. Nobility titles of the Voinovich family had been recognised in Republic of Venice and by Russian Imperial Court, but it´s doubtful whether Austrian Empire or Austria-Hungary ever recognised the noble status of this family. Emil Woinowich was born in Dalmatia in the town of Petrinja and his father was military engineer. Family originated from small town of Belobreska, nowadays in Rumania on border with Serbia. His family was of common origin. He was raised to the Hungarian nobility just in 1905 as Feldmarschalleutnant with the predicate “belobreskai” (de/von Belobreska) and consequently promoted to the rank of baron in 1916 when he was already full general. There is no evidence of “re-nobilitation” - quite widespread and many time foul practise when wealthy bourgeois families had been trying to prove that they are originating from old, usually lesser nobility but the evidence was “lost in time". General Emil Woinowich didn’t need it because he earned his noble title for long-lasting and very successful military service. However, he obviously used the resemblance of his name with above mentioned Serbian noble house and asked for coat of arms very similar to the one used by original Vojnovich family. The shield is basically the same but the crest is different. It was obviously enough to be accepted by Austrian authorities as Austrian Empire or Austria-Hungary probably ever recognised the noble status of this family in its own territory. I have also found another new nobilitation for certain György (Georg) Woinowich who has got a Hungarian noble title with predicate „vracsevgáji“ (von/de Vracsevgáj) in 1893. His coat of arms was also „heavily inspired“ by Serbian noble house of Vojnovich. He was captain in 39th infantry regiment in Vienna and he hadn’t any connection either to Serbian noble house of Vojnovich or Emil Woinowich von Belobreska. Pls see link on nobilitation info (in Czech) and coat of arms of both officers: woinovich von belobreska ; woinovich de vracsevgaj It should be also said that the name “Vojnovic” and its variants is not unique one and there are many families in Balkan region or even in Russian speaking countries going under this name. It’s similar like in Hungary or Slovakia where you can easily find hundreds of people with names like Pálffy, Andrássy or Koháry but they have anything to do with old Hungarian aristocracy. Anyway congrats to Enzo to beautiful general´s Woinowich von Belobreska group presided by unique (yes, Enzo, in original it´s above “very rare” level ) “Literis et Artibus” medal. Tifes/Tomas
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