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  1. Well Farkas, I see very ordinary “Bandstreife” bar of the low-ranked AH officer (Leutnant/ 2nd lieutenant or Oberleutnant/ 1st lieutenant), starting with “something” on the ribbon of Military Merit Cross with Swords, which probably should be Bronze Military Merit Medal (BMVM/ Signum Laudis), followed by Karl-Truppen Cross, then there is Jubilee Cross 1908 and last AH medal is Mobilization Cross 1913. The medal at the end of the bar should be 2nd Class Military Merit Cross of Grand Duchy of Mecklenburg-Schwerin. It´s absolutely correct and fully respecting the order of precedence. That officer was too young to get Long Service Cross for Officers for 25 years because even in 1918 he would be commissioned in 1893 which would mean that he had to have Jubilee Medal 1898. Elisabeth-Medaille was only for ladies and it was worn on butterfly ribbon. It goes without saying that there wasn’t any particular “Bandstreife” (small ribbon for bar) for it. It never existed. Regards, Tifes
  2. Austrian ww1 bar ? Correct ?

    Hi Scottplen, well, everything seems to be wrong here. It´s basically "non-sense". EK II was given to officers only. This composition is showing NCO awards. There is very little chance that some kuk NCO would have got EK II. He should have been serving in kuk Army unit directly subordinated under German command. Then his merits in combat would have been seen equally as any other German NCO. These situations had been extremely rare and you can count them on the fingers of one hand. In real life kuk NCO couldn't get EKII. Then first medal on the bar is Commemorative Medal of the 1. Austrian republic issued in 1932. It should be at the end of the bar, but before EK II (foreign decoration). Situation changed after "Anschluss" when Austria became part of the 3rd Reich. Then all German decorations would have priority so EK II would be first in the line before any Austrian one. Another problem is with JEM 1898 and MDZ for enlisted soldiers and NCO. If somebody had JEM 1898 then he had to have also JEK 1908. This would also mean that this particular NCO was serving in the army since 1897/1898 so at the end of WWI he would be entitled to get MDZ for NCO for 20 years of service or at least for 10 years (if some circumferences occurred). However on the bar there is only MDZ for enlisted men and NCO for 6 years. Mobilization Cross 1912/1913 would be after JEM 1898 just before Commemorative Medal of the 1. Austrian republic. Moreover the brass bar with long needle is not of Austrian style. I would say that this is just random selection of medals which was put altogether. It has very little to do with the reality, Regards, Tifes
  3. ID Weird A-H Flying badges

    + trakkles - it´s fake mark. You are right, Tursas. Zimbler was closed after WWI. The eagle didn't look like original Zimbler production but I wasn't sure. Now it´s clear. In interwar period many of pilot/observer badges had been made by BSW (but not exclusively) however it could happen that eagle would come from old Zimbler original just to be placed on the newly made wreath because old one was severely distorted and so it was replaced. Many of the former kuk pilots were in their mid-40s during WWII and served as pilot instructors in Wehrmacht (as Austrians after "Anschluss") . Some of them were even re-enlisted for active duty and flew over battlefields. However this wasn't a fate of this badge. Best, Tomas
  4. ID Weird A-H Flying badges

    Hi Tursas, I would definitely rule out that this badge is awarded original or privately purchased one prior 1918. It seems to me like very good collector`s copy but it´s true that there are only two pics for disposal and therefore best hope is for interwar period (1930s-1940s) however I am definitely more tending to that collector´s copy. Best, Tifes/Tomas
  5. Hi everyone, silver bars were for Bravery Medals but also for Silver Military Merit Medals (2x,1x) and Iron Merit Cross with or without crown when enemy wasn´t faced directly. Silver bars with swords were for Silver Military Merit Medals (2x,1x) when officer faced an enemy directly (mostly on battlefield). There also had been golden bars for other decorations - 2x golden bars with or without swords for Military Merit Cross with War Decoration (WD) and 1x golden bar with or without swords for LO-R with WD, EKO III with WD, FJO-R on the ribbon of Military Merit Cross, Golden Merit Cross with crown on the ribbon of Military Merit Cross and Large Silver Military Merit Medal. I think that I have covered them all. Those with "K" had been for Golden/Silver Bravery Medals for Officers. Awarded originals are rare, mostly we see privately purchased pieces or post-1918 ones. One more thing...it was quite common that NCO awarded twice or three times with Golden Bravery Medal had the bars made of gold, which wasn’t allowed by army regulations but tolerated. Those NCOs were seen as superheroes with widespread rumour (pilots, submariners, stormtroopers) and army authorities turned the blind eye on this practise. Regards, Tifes/Tomas
  6. Hi Jannis, Medal is A-H Bronze Medal for Bravery. It seems to absolutely OK. It´s one of the most common A-H decorations, awarded more than 950.000 times, not counting in so-called “second pieces” (medals purchased privately). Ribbon is older one, however it seems to be post-1918 (1930s). Bar for 4x awarding doesn’t look like original for me. These 4x bars are really rare and copies are very common. First suspicious sign is that bar is not sewn on the ribbon and there is also no maker´s mark or hallmark (sometimes they were made of silver). It doesn’t mean that the bar without any maker´s mark must be a fake however if it is there it´s better, of course. It is also good to mention that makers´ marks could be faked too. Absolutely most common maker´s mark is the one of “Zimbler” company. Bronze Bravery medal could awarded 4 times, like any other AH Bravery Medal (Silver II. Class, Silver I. Class and Gold) First picture is showing faked mark of Zimbler, second one is an original Zimbler maker´s mark. Regards, Tomas
  7. Hi John, A-H red ribbon is very common one used in variety of decorations either in peace time (Merit Crosses, Military Merit Medals, FJO) or for some other decorations like Annorum 40 (Medal for 40 years of faithful service) or JEM 1898 for military (Commemorative medal 1898 for military personal). We are talking about millions indeed. However never with swords. This combination is not possible. Story about Military Merit Cross with this combination is just fairy tale. Sorry for that. Regards, Tomas
  8. Order of the Iron Crown

    You welcome Christian. Just short comment to Pieter´s inquiry. According to its legal status the Order of Iron Crown is divided into three classes – first, second and third one and all recipients are „knights“. There is no Grand Cross and Commander however I perfectly see Pieter´s point. Knight of the I. Class is equal to Grand Cross, 2nd Class to Commander and 3rd Class is just the Knight. All there classes differ in size. 1st class – 76mm, 2nd Class – 66mm and 3rd Class – 55mm. Neckband is also smaller compared to sash, having just 52mm in width compared to sash´s 102mm. Sash is worn on the breast with exception of the high clergy like bishops, cardinals and other prelates who wore 1st Class sash round the upper chest as upper-body band (in a style of golden chain). In the attachment pls find 2nd class and 3rd class in gold and in boxes with original ribbons. “Commander” is issue about 1900 and “knight” is bit older, about 1875. Regards, Tifes/Tomas
  9. Order of the Iron Crown

    Hi Pieter, officially it´s EKO I. Class (Orden der Eisernen Krone I. Klasse) which is the equivalent of the Grand Cross in case of other Austrian Orders like FJO or LO. Big suspension ring could be also sewed into sash as you have presented however more often it was on ellipse ring with enamel pearls. It depended pretty much on personal taste of awardee. Ring was however inevitable if the badge was worn on collane. This also doesn’t exclude some other atypical form of attachment. As I wrote above the taste was quite important element and there was always some “space for manoeuvre” when necessary. Austrian protocol was quite versatile in this respect in contrary to Prussian one for instance. By the way you have really beautiful complete set in superb state, congrats and happy that you have shared it with us. Regards, Tifes
  10. Order of the Iron Crown

    Well Christian, the simple answer on your question would be yes; it does influence the price and hence also desirability however EKO I from Golden Chain is not a piece that you can find everyday just like that. As I wrote before it´s still very valuable decoration which is rare but you have to count with some lower price when compared to identical intact piece if you decide to sell it. Regards, Tifes
  11. Pilot badge - identification

    Hi, It´s not a pilot badge. It´s „patriotic“ badge which could be purchase privately, also by “ordinary” people, not only by pilots. Spending had been then used to finance further “war efforts” . Some pilot used them as “Kappenabzeichen” – cap badges and I have seen some pieces even with personal dedications. This one is ordinary or I would rather say that it was. It´s in quite deteriorated state. Collector´s value is quite low, close to none. It´s just non-precious metal like messing or something in this sense. Regards, tifes
  12. Order of the Iron Crown

    For me it looks like very early version of the last type. Maker´s mark and enamels in the crown are indicating that it was made about 1870. It´s private purchase in gold. However as you have mentioned correctly ellipse suspension with “pearls” is missing but it could be done by purpose, for instance to fit on the bar. The ribbon is also correct and it seems to be quite old. Regards, Tifes
  13. Order of the Iron Crown

    Hi Christian, yes, it´s the EKO I in Gold, around 1900 (+/- 10 years). Except some imperfection in the Lombardy Crown (green „emeralds“) it´s in very nice state. Valuable piece indeed. Hallmarks are for gold, so called “Gemsenkopfpunze” (head of chamois from 1872 to 1922) for 18k gold. That one on pendilias under the crown is quite visible, at least for me. The ellipse suspension with small white “pearls” was replaced by the ring. This is the indication that this badge was placed on the “Kollane” – large gold ceremonial chain. As I wrote above – very fine piece. Regards, Tifes
  14. THIS ADVERT HAS EXPIRED!

    • FOR SALE
    • ORIGINAL/AUTHENTIC

    An Austrian Military Merit Cross, Type I - (1849-1855), in silver and enamels with small imperfection in central medallion, original worn ribbon, nice dark patina, on the reverse privately attached piece of deerskin to protect white officer´s uniform from black traces, a very difficult decoration to find in such a fine condition; Price: 990 EUR + postal charges

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  15. Hungarian Order of Saint Stephen

    Dear Bucky, you probably mean whether the decoration is original piece (pre-1918, Monarchy time period) or collector´s copy. The later is true. It´s just collector´s copy, made after 1945. Sorry if this answer didn't please you. Regards, t.
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