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  1. Qing Double Dragon breast order size

    Dear all, A picture being worth a thousand words, two Double Dragon 3rd Class neck badges. The small 1st Grade is circa 75 mm wide and the larger 3rd Grade is close to 90 mm wide. Various makers, various standards....I do not think that there is any specific information or lesson to draw from that. Regards. KimKan
  2. Dear all, Looking at the 1909 Nobility Badge decree, it is quite easy and fun to clip the various images pertaining to each grade. There are no less than 12 possible badges with tung leaves only, each with a different number of pearls, colours etc.... I suspect that a similar number of badges should come with tung leaves AND peony flowers. At the end of the day we should have close to 24 possible badges for the imperial period (yellow center). This is a highly complex system of badges that required a sharpshooter's eye to tell the right position of its wearer ! .... What puzzles everyone is the fact that these imperial area badges (almost) never turn up on the market while they were apparently structured to cover a fairly large population of noble people, ranging from first rank princes to marquis or viscounts. I do not know how many hundreds or thousands of peole this noble population included but we get absolutely nothing (or close to that) at the end of the pipe ! Can we be that sure that all of them were made and distributed ? The republican area Order of Rank and Merit is quite difficult to encounter indeed. The imperial area Nobility Badge is a collector's dream that is likely to never come true. Regards. KimKan
  3. Qing Double Dragon breast order size

    Dear all. Reply is YES, especially when it comes to badges made by European houses. The 75 mm wide is not the smallest size one can come across. Regards. KimKan
  4. id plase?

    Hello, Looks very much like a North Korean badge. Certainly for armoured vehicles-artillery units. Regards. KimKan
  5. Pins , Badges

    Dear all, Many interesting items on this post. The round silver medal with the words "mariage chretien" on the obverse and the intertwinned letters BI on the reverse has nothing to do with China or any other Far-Eastern country. This is a French silver wedding medal ("mariage chrétien" = "christian wedding"), a typical token offered in the 19th century to newly wed couples. The two letters on the reverse side are the initials of the bride and groom. Regards. KimKan

    Dear all, This is it, this magnificent gold Chinese medal had to be auctioned off again as the mysterious April 2014 bidder never turned up to pay the 92,000 Euros he committed to. It was presented again on April 3rd 2015 by the same auction house in Paris and went for circa 28.000 Euros, all fees included. Still a nice price and an absolutely incredible piece with a solid pedigree. This is just one third of what it apparently went for one year ago as deposits and guarantees were required by the auction house to secure the transaction. A penny in your pocket is still better than a shilling in your dreams... Regards to all. KimKan

    Dear all, This is it, the Pao Hsing 2nd Class in gold went for 21.500 Euros (including auction fees), i.e circa 24.000 US$ or 16.000 UK£. This was the highlight of the orders and medals sold that day. My April 5th 2014 thread on GMIC shed light on a similar attributed award (1st Class) which went for an astonishing 92.000 Euros, i.e 4 times more than two days ago. However, I take from the horse's mouth that it was never paid by the overseas "buyer". It is likely that auction houses have tightened their security process to avoid stupid bids like that, hence an apparently lower price though perfectly clean and reliable. The medal sold two days ago was nothing but a striking piece of Chinese jewellery with a robust pedigree, well worth the price paid for it. Regards to all. KimKan

    I forgot to mention that it is described on page 80 as item 160 of the catalog. KimKan
  9. Dear all, A hard-to-find 2nd Class Pao Hsing medal in pristine condition will be on sale at public auction in Paris next week : http://www.beaussant-lefevre.com/flash/index.jsp?id=21817&idCp=92&lng=fr A beautiful piece indeed bestowed upon a French civil engineer in 1881, just one year before the creation of the Double Dragon. Estimate of 8,000 to 12,000 Euros seems a bit low for that type of medal. We will see next week where the market stands. Regards to all. KimKan
  10. Dear all, I have just received a magnificent glossy paper catalog of the November 15th militaria and medals auction to be run by the house of Carsten Zeige in Hamburg - Germany - (Internet link below). Items 465 to 518 are nothing but a great collection of imperial and republican Chinese awards, including attributed pieces with supporting photographs etc.... There will be another 1st type 3rd Class Double Dragon to be auctioned off in that sale, identical to that of the Kunker sale a few weeks ago but with an interesting chopmark on reverse. I am just wondering if 2014 has not been the most incredible year for Chinese medals auctions with high quality items being offered by Poly of Hong Kong, Spink and Morton & Eden of London, Kunker and Carsten Zeige in Germany plus other sales I have not mentioned and possible additional items between today and the end of 2014. I do not recall having seen so many interesting pieces in such a short period of time. Regards to all. KimKan http://www.zeige.com/en/index2.html
  11. Dear all, The German auction House of Kunker will offer three Double Dragons early October, including a 1st type 3rd Class 1st Grade, under number 1545. Beautiful piece indeed. Link below. Regards to all KimKan https://www.kuenker.de/en/auktionen/stuecke/253-257?suchbegriff=1545&x=16&y=13
  12. Great joke: Order of the DD 1st type

    Dear all, Yes, a Russian makers'mark without the silver fineness guarantee mark looks a bit strange. The attached picture come from the Kunker auction of September 2011. Similar breast star but with all the required stamps and hallmarks. Feel a bit better about that one. Regards to all. KimKan
  13. Great joke: Order of the DD 1st type

    Dear all, Another ODD 1st type Russian breast star with the chop "MB" of Mikhail Bogdanov is up on the blocks. It will be auctioned off on September 23rd by Galerie Numismatique in Vienna - Austria. Different style from the Spink auction breast star but very elegant. Seems to be a 3rd Class (grade difficult to identify) with its typical central blue stone. The central blue medallion looks identical to those we find on the breast star made by Godet of Berlin, adding probability to the fact that this type of central medallion comes from China and was simply added to a locally made breast star, made either in Russia or in Germany. There are other interesting and high quality Chinese imperial awards on this sale. It is regrettable that some fakes have managed to sneak into this auction as well and that the sash ribbon of the 1st Class Golden Grain set has nothing to do with that order. The link is attached : http://coins-la-galerie-numismatique.com/auction-xxii/china/order-double-dragon-0 Regards to all. KimKan
  14. Glory of Early White Elephants

    Dear all, From a purely historical standpoint, the very first type of the Order of the White Elephant that covers the 1861-1865 period looks like the attached 1st Class badge. If I am not mistaken, four classes were created in 1861 for Thai nationals plus a single class for foreigners, i.e five different types but all of them in a similar breast star shape. This lasted till 1865 when the new breast star design that has been shown in this post was adopted with additional elements like breast badge, sash badge, neck badge etc...It is true that many changes and reforms have altered the organization and the design of this order in the 19th and 20th century. Excellent documentation does exist in Thai language, unfortunately much less in European vernaculars. Maa pen rai....("not to worry" in Thai...). Regards to all. KimKan

    Yes, assuming that he did not receive a first type award and decided later on to replace it with a smaller 2nd type badge, we definitely have here an interesting time marker. I doubt he did that as he left China soon afterwards and sailed back to French Indochina. The badge he wears looks very much like a China-made piece of the period. Depending on the locale and availability of old-new badges, we may very well have a mix of 1st and 2nd type badges awarded during the Boxer rebellion. Other fully documented award like this one, if any ever crops up, will shed additional light on this issue. Regards to all. KimKan