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    Military Medal collecting, general militaria collecting, stamps, coins, currency, old documents, old cameras, old bottles, writing, research and much more besides.......

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  1. Thanks for your opinion and comments, Peter. Much appreciated.
  2. Is DOUGLAS LIONEL BAKER the DOUGLAS LIONEL BAKER.........??????? OK - so WHO of you would like a research CHALLENGE? Is Douglas Lionel BAKER (who died on 26 April 1941) the same as Douglas Lionel BAKER (who died on 26 April 1941) ????? Puzzled ?? Yes - of course you are. And so am I. BACKGROUND: I recently bought 5 medals to "Baker" - a WWI Trio to L/Cpl Herbert Lionel BAKER - a South African who served in the 4th Infantry, then in the 3rd Mounted Rifles and finally in the S.A.S.C. (MT). And I have his full personnel file from Defence HQ in Pretoria with all his details from when he enlisted on 1.9.1914 to when he was de-mobbed on 1.4.1919. He was married to Margaret Baker. All good so far. AND with this trio came a WWII PAIR (consisting of the Defence Medal and the War Medal) as well as the Medal / Condolence Slip (shown here) and issued to a WOII D.L. Baker (for two medals), as well as two medal boxes (shown here) addressed to a Mrs H.L. Baker (the mother of Douglas Lionel Baker). The initials of "H.L." were those of her husband (and Douglas' father, Herbert Lionel) - as it was customary to address the spouse of a married couple in those days by the initials of the husband. You will see that the Bakers resided in the town of Gwelo - in Southern Rhodesia. I then did some further genealogy research and found that a Douglas Lionel Baker was born on 11 August 1916 to a Herbert Lionel and Margaret Baker. Now if you go to the CWGC website, and search Douglas Lionel Baker and the date of death, you will find ONE Douglas Lionel Baker, who died (and was buried) in KENYA on 26 April 1941. NOW THIS IS WHERE the matter starts to get a bit fuzzy, shall we say. IF you KNOW how to use the modern CWGC website, you will know that they are being very thorough, and are even allowing us to obtain COPIES of the actual DOCUMENTS filed for the deceased person, the subject of the search. The PROBLEM with the papers for Douglas Lionel Baker, is that the MAIN search shows him to be No. 6296009 Warrant Officer Class II (Company Sergeant Major) Douglas Lionel Baker of the 1st Battalion, "The Buffs" - Royal East Kent Regiment. NOW, if you examine the supporting filed papers you will find that THREE of the five papers refer to W.O.II D.L. Baker of the Royal East Kent Regt. BUT the other two papers refer to a C.S.M. Douglas Lionel Baker of the Rhodesia Regiment, attached to the 3rd Company of the 4th King's African Rifles. WHY??? WHY??? WHY???. Is this the SAME person??? (And remember that the WWII pair, and the Medal Slip (for WOII D.L. Baker) and addressed to Mrs H.L. Baker came WITH the WWI Trio to H.L. Baker - who we KNOW was the father and mother of D.L. Baker). SO: Are we talking about the SAME D.L. Baker??? Why does the CWGC refer to TWO different units in their records? We must ASSUME that D.L. Baker lived with his parents prior to WWII IN RHODESIA. Did he enlist and serve with the Rhodesia Regiment, later Attch. to the K.A.R. - and then (for whatever reason) found himself with the Buffs - and for whom he was serving when he died. (And we don't know how, or why he died - he was just 24 years old). IS Douglas Lionel BAKER the Douglas Lionel BAKER??? And WHY is he?? Or not? There is a little something for you guys to get your head around.......................... Comments and opinions most welcome. One possible suggestion (from a collecting friend) was that it IS the same Douglas Lionel Baker, and that upon his death, BOTH Regiments he served with submitted their papers to the CWGC. (From the David Bennett Collection)
  3. Dear Paul Wood - Shearcroft ended WWI as a Sergeant. His Medal Index Card shows him having THREE NUMBERS: 5776 On the TFWAR Medal (The Queen's) and, 240050 for the East Surrey Regiment and, L/14214 for the Queen's Regiment. Shearcroft has MANY entries (I have them all) in either the IML and/or the LG in these years: 1928;1935;1936;1939;1941;1942;1949;1968. The ONE entry which I DO NOT have (or rather, I cannot find in the damn LG) is for the M.I.D. (And, as he is wearing the MID emblem on his VM, then we must presume that the MID was during the Great War ............) If you have ANY ideas of where I might find a PHOTO of Shearcroft, I would appreciate that very much. Thank you. All the best to you, and thank you to the earlier members for their kind comments. David Bennett In the Last Outpost of the British Empire.
  4. I collect (mainly) MILITARY MEDALS - specialising in trying to assemble a collection of every issued Clasp of the India General Service Medal Series (1854; 1895; 1908; 1936) and one of every Clasp issued of the Army General Service Medal (1918 and 1962). So far I have just 39 of these Clasps - so a long (and expensive) way to go....... I have been a serious Collector of Military Medals since 1980. But being a medal collector in general, and a South African - it is only natural that I should have a fair selection of South African medals and groups, too. I obviously have some South African WWI trios and pairs. Similarly, I have a good representative sample of South African WWII Groups. NOTE WELL: In the discussion which follows, we will IGNORE any medal groups which contain Gallantry, Long Service and similar medals in the groups. So, in WWI the VAST MAJORITY of South African soldiers were awarded either the WWI Trio, or, at least a WWI Pair. And, in WWII MOST South Africans earned, probably, FOUR, FIVE or SIX medals - this would depend on HOW LONG you served "up north" and whether you went to Italy or not. SO, the most common South African WWII Groups are: FOUR: 1939-45 Star; Africa Star; 1939-45 War Medal; Africa Service Medal FOUR: 1939-45 Star; Italy Star; 1939-45 War Medal; Africa Service Medal FIVE: 1939-45 Star; Africa Star; Italy Star; 1939-45 War Medal; Africa Service Medal, and, SIX: 1939-45 Star; Africa Star; Italy Star; 1939-45 Defence Medal; 1939-45 War Medal; Africa Service Medal And I KNOW that there are variations of these - where just two or three medals were awarded, but in my experience, THESE are the four MOST common groups to South Africans. Also when one considers that South Africans earned over 60,500 Italy Stars, and more than 105,000 Africa Stars then the 7,200 or so OTHER STARS (excluding of course the 1939-1945 Star) awarded to South Africans do not merit discussion here. And I am also excluding things like the "8th Army" and the North Africa 1942-43" Clasps, as well. And, we are also not including in this discussion the possibility of Anglo-Boer War / Zulu Rebellion / and Korean War medals as well. Such groups are VERY scarce......... Now, if you will agree with me, based on the criteria I have defined above, then it IS, and WAS most certainly POSSBLE for a South African soldier, under the "RIGHT" conditions, and IF he served in BOTH WARS, to earn what I call a "FULL HOUSE" - THAT IS the WWI "TRIO" and all SIX of the WWII MEDALS. But in reality, how easy was this? To qualify for what I call the South African "FULL HOUSE" for the two World Wars, would mean a group of NINE medals - excluding gallantry, long service, coronation / jubilee medals, etc. So I checked my collection. I have South African WWI pairs and trios. Some WWI groups which include a couple (or more) WWII medals, but until a recent auction acquisition by me, NO S.A. GROUPS which give us the NINE MEDAL "FULL HOUSE" - the best I had were some five, six, seven and even eight medal groups. BUT NOW, AT LAST, a NINE MEDAL "FULL HOUSE" Group in my collection. So as a result, please show us (with names / details) YOUR "Full House" WWI / WWII groups in your collection - excluding, as I say, gallantry, long service, etc etc. This would be an interesting exercise. And I would say that - when compared to your full collection - the number of "full house" groups is probably quite small................... ??? I have ILLUSTRATED a few groups from my own collection ("The David Bennett Collection") including the new "FULL HOUSE" group - merely to show some representative examples of what I am talking about. Thank you for reading this. All the best, David Bennett Durban North ============================================== There are three groups illustrated below, without details: The first (with a North Africa 1942-43 Clasp) is to Sgt H.J. Whitebooi, 24 Bomber Sqdn, S.A.A.F. The next group (of five medals) is to F/Sgt E.F. Williamson, S.A.A.F. and, The third group (with the 8th Army Clasp) is to Gnr. H.F.P. Combrink, S.A. Artillery. (I have yet to "lable" these 3 groups.) By the way, the group to COMBRINK is interesting, because his parents named him after the THREE LEADING WWI ALLIED MILITARY LEADERS: So his name is HAIG FOCH PERSHING Combrink ............ not something you see everyday !!!!!!!
  5. Collecting Police Truncheons / batons is not a specialist collecting area for me. However, recently, whilst I was on a visit to a Cape Town boot sale market, I saw (and bought) the S.A. Police truncheon shown below. Although I cannot say for certain, some people I have consulted think that the widespread USE of this MODEL of Truncheon / baton by the S.A.P. ended "around 1985 - 1986" (but I think that those are, at best, just guesses.) Is there a MEMBER of this GROUP, who can please tell me, with some authority: (A) The PERIOD during which this Truncheon was IN USE by the South African Police. (and I mean THIS specific model) That is, the DATE that use of this MODEL STARTED, and the DATE when use of this model ceased and it was withdrawn from use. (B) Does this MODEL have a specific NAME / TYPE / MODEL Number ??? ..................... and, (C) What are the TECHNICAL DIFFERENCES / DEFINITIONS between: (i) A Truncheon, and (ii) A Baton. Thank you very much, David Bennett, Durban North ==============================
  6. I have previously written on this GMIC FORUM about my medal group to Lt. Col. Reginald James SHEARCROFT, MBE. (East Surrey Regiment and Royal Indian Army) In 1987 I bought a TEN medal group to Lt Col Shearcroft. It is illustrated elsewhere on this site. Apart from the award of the MBE (and the MID) notable is the presence of the 1914-19 Territorial Force War Medal, and later, for WWII - the Burma Star and the India Service Medal - obviously for service in the INDIAN army. Records show us that Lt Col Shearcroft served in the Army for 36 years, BUT THERE IS NO MEDAL PRESENT WHICH rewards him for his service. Not an Army LS&GC medal nor an Efficiency Medal nor anything similar. BUT SURELY he should have got something? Yes, of course. After all, the man progressed through the ranks from Private to Sergeant to Major to Lt. Colonel. 36 years. BUT WHERE IS IT???? I have asked this question in many Groups (including this one) and the most usual (and at the time, probably correct) answer was that Shearcroft likely DID earn a LS&GC whilst in the ranks, but that once he became an Officer, decided NOT to wear it - so that his fellow officers could not easily see that he had spent many years in the ranks.................. BUT THE MISSING MEDAL WAS NOT / IS NOT present with the Group........ AND THEN, earlier this year (2016), after owning Shearcroft's group for nearly thirty years I FOUND IT !!!!!!.. Whilst doing some research I discovered that Shearcroft's Army LS&GC medal (INDIA issue, no less) had been auctioned by Dix Noonan & Webb to a collector in England in 2012 - and the collector, in turn, had bought it as an Army LS&GC TYPE example. Anyway, about four months or so back, following exchanges of correspondence between myself, DNW and the gentleman concerned, it was agreed to sell the "missing" LS&GC medal to me. This was done and NOW I HAVE IT.....!!!!! I am of course, extremely pleased to have completed this important RE-UNITE after nearly THIRTY YEARS. The medal itself is an Army Long Service and Good Conduct Medal, Third Type (1930-1936), GVR (C), Commonwealth bar - INDIA. I have also discovered (since I last wrote on the subject) that after Shearcroft left the Army, after the War, he emigrated, with his wife, first to South Africa (Port Elizabeth) and then later to Rhodesia, where he died in Salisbury in 1967. This would explain how I was able to buy his medals from an S.A. Dealer in 1987. I have done a huge amount of research on Shearcroft, and have ALL the LG entries for his M.B.E. award; his promotions; his various Army appointments, etc etc. There is just ONE MATTER not yet COMPLETE - that is the LG entry for the M.I.D. apparently awarded to Shearcroft. I have found the L.G. website VERY DIFFICULT (and impossible, at times) to use and search, and if there is ANY KIND SOUL out there with more patience than myself, it would be much appreciated if Shearcroft's MID entry could be found, please. And, of course, as you can imagine, the FIRST PRIZE, GOLD MEDAL, PINNACLE of everything would be to find a PHOTOGRAPH of Shearcroft. Anyone ??????? Thanks for reading this. All the best, David BENNETT - Durban North.
  7. Lt. Col

    MEDAL - Re-United with MAIN GROUP........................ AT LAST,............................ !!!!!!! Finally I have acquired from the previous owner the ARMY LS&GC medal (INDIA) which was missing from Lt. Col. Shearcroft's impressive group. So the COMPLETE group, now looks like THIS:
  8. ANGLO-BOER WAR - 1899-1902 : AUSTRALIAN troops. Are there any EXPERTS on the involvement of Australian Troops in the War on this Group? I have a Q.S.A. with the Clasps for Cape Colony; Rhodesia and South Africa 1901. The three clasps are CONFIRMED on the Roll WO100/291 (at pages 74 and 105). BUT HERE IS THE QUESTION: The Roll is for the 4th Victorian Imperial Bushmen (on whose roll appears the man as: # 133 Pte Francis George HOLLINGTON) HOWEVER, the actual MEDAL is named to: 133 Tpr F.G. Hollington, 2 VMR. i.e. to the 2nd Victoria Mounted Rifles. QUESTION: Why is this????? I did write to the National Archives of Australia, who advised that the FOURTH Victorian Contingent consisted of Five companies of Mounted Rifles. In the Australian Archives "Boer War Index" is listed: Hollington, F.G. Vic. 4 (Imperial) CNTGNT. And also it mentions that Hollington appears in Lt Col Murray's book at 263. My further research shows that the 4th Imperial Bushmen left South Africa (East London) aboard the "Orient" on 22 June 1901 - arriving at Melbourne on 12th July 1901. BUT (an important BUT) - A fellow researcher (Kerry Bulow) advised me THAT: "Hollington was born on 29/10/1874. He was 5ft 7in. His next of kin was his mother, Mrs Jenny E. Hollington from East Dene, Hermon Hill, Wanstead, Essex, England. When he enlisted, he stated that he was a farmer. Address: 1A Evalina Road, Toorak, Victoria. Bulow confirms the Murray entry that Hollington went BACK to England and was discharged there on 9 August 1901. So, WHAT did / or what WAS Hollington doing between when the 4VIB left S.A. in June 1901, and when he arrived in England in August 1901. COULD THIS EXPLAIN the anomaly between Hollington being on the 4 VIB Roll, but his medal named to the 2 V.M.R. ????? What theories do you chaps have???? (Medal from the David Bennett Collection).
  9. Lt. Col

    Thank you, guys, for your recent comments and additional information. A GOLD STAR and 10/10 to any man (or lady) who can produce a PHOTO of Lt. Colonel Reginald James Shearcroft, MBE....................... !!!!!!!!!! :-)
  10. BENNETT Medal Collection

    Here are a few examples and selections from my medal collection. My main aim is to do research on the medals, or groups of medals, where possible. I have also added other items of military interest, like badges, for example.
  11. Lt. Col

    I have just discovered, through some diligent research, that SHEARCROFT did in fact qualify for, and receive an Army Long Service and Good Conduct Medal (Indian) type GVR 3rd Issue. It was auctioned by Dix Noonan Webb - Lot 621 - of their auction of 28-29 March 2012. How or why this LS&GC Medal came to be separated from Lt Col Shearcroft's main group (of ten medals) I do not know. The main group is in my collection. I am following up with DNW to try to contact the buyer - in the hope of a re-unite. I can also add that Shearcroft left the Indian Army in 1948. He emigrated, with his wife, to South Africa in 1949 and died in Salisbury, Rhodesia on 8 September 1967. I have owned this medal group since I bought it in Johannesburg in 1987 from Messrs P&G Coin Co. (for R533 !!!!!! - can you believe it..... ???). Anyway, EVEN THOUGH I have owned the group for these past 28 years - and have often admired it as one of my largest groups, it was just yesterday pointed out to me by a very sharp fellow collector that the RIBBON for Shearcroft's 1939-1945 India Service Medal is NOT the India Service Medal ribbon, but is in fact the ribbon of the Distinguished Service Medal ..... !!!!!!!!!!!!! This is very odd and most curious...... A possible answer is that the military tailor who mounted the group confused the two ribbon types (they are in fact VERY similar) ...... OR had he run OUT of the correct ribbon, using the DSM as a "replacement" ? We may never know the answer...................????
  12. Thank you, Mervyn. David B =======================
  13. Thanks, Mervyn - took a lot of time and hard work to research and write it all up, as you can see............. and quite a few "views" - but no comments, it seems. David B =============================================================
  14. Here are three Police Badges / Shields I would be obliged to get proper identification, please. i.e. Proper name, badge / shield type, period in use, etc And any other pertinent details, please. They are: Scan - A: Lancashire Police. 12cm x 9cm appears to be plastic Scan -B: Metropolitan Police. 5cm x 4cm. Enamelled metal. Scan - C: Metropolitan Police. 12cm x 9cm. Metal. Steel, possibly. Thank you, David B ==============================================
  15. With reference to the above post, I missed out "SCAN - J" and I have now had to ADD it by means of a separate post, under this heading. Please see separate post, showing SCAN - J. Thanks, David B ===================================================================
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