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  1. Thanks Odin. That puts Percy in his place. It looks like he stayed very local to West London, I will check.  Did you see any reference to past military service as with Jo?

    So no post service info in MEPO 21 as I was told.
    One has to ask are records for actual pension payments (&/or widows) kept & if so where?

     

    1. Odin Mk 3

      Odin Mk 3

      Sorry we have cross wires here - when you wrote - 'was told the pension records do not actually contain post service info' I assumed you meant that the pension records did not contain any details of positions a man had served in (ie posts he held while in service) - but now I see you meant what did he do post his police career.

      The answer is no the Met were not really interested what he did after he left the police - some men never worked again while others did get another job - but why would the Met want to know that as it had no effect on his police pension.

      All they tended to record in pension records was the man's address on leaving, his wife's name and usually they also show when he died (which stopped his pension).  If his wife got a widow's pension it was usually a flat rate small payment - in 1918 this was 10/- (50p a week). 

      Unfortunately I don't have a service sheet for John James - his warrant number was 66101 which is too early for these so I can't tell you what he did before he joined the Police.  The 1881 census might help you there if you do find him.

      I'll look at your latest addition but I think you are not quite right with what police stations were in which divisions.  It might be best if I start a new post which shows which police stations were in each division.

       

       

    2. Odin Mk 3

      Odin Mk 3

      Sorry I should add that my last two comments refer to John James - I got confused because I have been answered so many different queries in this same thread. 

      For Percy his service sheets are not yet at Kew and so I can't tell you what he did before he joined the police. 

  2. Good day all. I am back in the UK & still in pursuit of Joseph Davies (Posts 32-39) but more on that later. 1). One sun-in-law was Percy John Burnage. DOB 1891 @ Highgate. He seems to have joined the Met 17/2/1919 and been in F Div & had a collar No 500. (He could even be in 21PG Post 38 ) Elect Roll has him at Harrow Rd. P Station in 1924, M 1926. I know he was not a well man (maybe WW1 gas?) but he was also attacked when he apprehended a burglar & 2 accomplices returned & he was badly beaten. Never the same again I was told. He died 1937 only 46 & my ant got a pension. Would he have any decorations service or valor? Can any body fill in any other blanks blank’s? 2). His second sun-in-law, George William Bragg, DOB 20/3/1893 joined Blackpool, Lanc’s Constabulary at some time after WW1. Service. I have no idea if he was related to Frank Bragg Met F Div. or if he transferred from the Met? 3). Jo Davies, I am told joined the Court Service in Bury Lanc’s but to date I can find nothing on him. Last week I went to Q but could not find Jo, in MEPO, but I was told the pension records do not actually contain post service info so gave up. Is this so? If not what post info do they contain. Anybody know where I would find Court Staff &/or Police service info for Lanc’s? I hope I’m not pushing the envelop to much Martin Thanks Dave . George was definitely in the Blackpool Force, he lived in the Police Station with his family. From what I have been told he was an inspector when he eventually retired back to Notting Dale in London.
  3. Good day all. I am back in the UK & still in pursuit of Joseph Davies (Posts 32-39) but more on that later. 1). One sun-in-law was Percy John Burnage. DOB 1891 @ Highgate. He seems to have joined the Met 17/2/1919 and been in F Div & had a collar No 500. (He could even be in 21PG, Post 38. Pic. ) Elect Roll has him at Harrow Rd. P Station in 1924, M 1926. I know he was not a well man (maybe WW1 gas?) but he was also attacked when he apprehended a burglar & 2 accomplices returned & he was badly beaten. Never the same again, I was told. He died 1937 only 46 & my aunty got a pension. Would he have any decorations service or valour? Can any body fill in any other blanks blank’s? (I have no Warrant No for him.) 2). His second sun-in-law, George William Bragg, DOB 20/3/1893 joined Blackpool, Lanc’s Constabulary at some time after WW1. Service. He stayed on in WWII, never seen any police medals would he get something for WWII? I have no idea if he was related to Frank Bragg Met F Div. or if he transferred from the Met? 3). Back to Jo Davies, I am told joined the Court Service in Bury Lanc’s but to date I can find nothing on him. Last week I went to Q but could not find Jo, in MEPO, but I was told the pension records do not actually contain post service info, so gave up. Is this so? If not what post info do they contain. Anybody know where I would find Court Staff &/or Police service info for Lanc’s? I hope I’m not pushing the envelop to much Martin
  4. Thank you both very much for the info. I find it mind blowing that I can trace a young 16 year old farm hand from a small village in Mid Wales across the world to India then over the mountains of Afghanistan (where our boys are now) back into India and then through Burma & up the Irrawaddy to take Upper Burma from a despot king. Then literally through the streets of London on an almost daily basis. Most of it over 100 years ago! Just after I posted I stumbled on the Kemp reference you mentioned. I wonder what happened to his other decorations. I am certain he is in one of the photos I was shown at the Met museum, but at that time I did not know much about him and I was just about to leave for Burma so that was the priority at the time. His Met enrolment gave me his RA details to follow up. So with this new info I should be able to go back to London and find an identifiable pic of him, which I will post. But one thing I am a little confused about is that according to official documents he joined the Met in October 88, but he was not discharged from the RA until Oct 90. The last item on his Army Form B206 states:- “Enlisted for Section “D”on 20/10/90 for four years from 23/10 90." Can you put any light on this apparent cross over. It was always family belief that he was stationed at Notting Dale Station (a very rough slum area up until the 1960’s). but I have not seen this station mentioned on any posts. Would it have come under one of the other Divisions?
  5. This is my first post so I am starting more or less from square one. Some time ago on the death of my grandmother I inherited my great grandfathers Indian GS Medal with a Burma clasp. After leaving the Army he joined the Met at Bethnal Green in 1888. He did move about a bit & I have seen several station photos & one way to identify him may be to identify his medal ribbons thus I am interested to know if he would have been entitled to any Police Medals in addition to his GS medal and if so what they would look like. Joseph Davies Height 5'-10' B 7-5-1862 St Martin Shropshire. Joined at Bethnal Green R. 16/10/1888-1/10/1913 Met Police Rec Warrant No 73235. Left as PC. B-322 from Chelsea Div. Then going to the next step ! I have some of his residential adressess locations (from rate books & the like) so did the Met have a rule about the distance from residence to station? Any help would be most appreciated
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