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Very informative and an excellent read.

Many thanks BJW. Much appreciated.

I notice that on the ROH that the entry for a PC John Smith bears just the word "Train" for cause of death. Does anyone know what such a bland statement would mean ? Accident/suicide etc ?.

Oops just noticed I refer to Tyrer and it should be Tyler

There is also a large bronze memorial to PC Tyrer in All Saints Church, Child's Hill. His widow, Emily, Nee Burfield married again on 15th April 1915 to a PC William George Williams of "J" Division. William retired from the Police in 1924 and he and his wife opened a Refreshment Kiosk on the Southend arterial road at Nevedon but lived in Oak Cottage (An Oak Cottage also featured in the chase and suicide of one of PC Tyrer's Murderers ! ) Crays Hill, Essex where in 1925 Mrs Williams discovered her husband had committed suicide. (Not a lucky house name ) Emily, who continued to run the Kiosk, died in 1936/7 and was buried with her first husband, PC Tyrer

I have recently seen for sale a QSA with Clasps CC, OFS and SA 01 to a Pte AV (Albert Victor)Gleed, by chance I noticed in Mr Kemps list of Met Police medals an entry for PC Albert Gleed who is listed as joining the Force on 16/10/99 and being dismissed 6/4/03, in meantime he was awarded a Edward VII coronation medal. At first glance one would think that they are one and same man but obviously he couldn't be in two places at same time or could he ? AV became a PC in the London County Council Park Police and was serving as such in 1914 when he re joined the 3rd Batt, Coldstream Guards and went to France/Belgium but due to illness was repatriated to UK two months later. AV Gleed died 1920's. Any advice on this would be gratefully received.

Alan, Thank you. I am much obliged.

I have recently acquired an 1897 jubilee medal issued to Police Constable James McQueen " CO" Division, recourse to The book Metropolitan Police the Men and their medals reveals James entitlement to the 1897 medal in the above stated Division but also that he is warrant number 83079 but was formerly 40396, With this in mind I ask if anyone can confirm if James received a medal for 1887 and if so is the issue of an 1897 instead of a bar in error unique or did it as I suspect a common error due to the logistic nightmare of such large numbers of returning Pensioners. I would be most grateful for any information on this medal. Regards to all and Stay Safe in these strange times Peter

Circa 1825 the Liverpool Town was policed by a rather rag tag outfit going under the loose title of the Liverpool Town and Liverpool Dock Police. By the mid century the crime on the river was becoming out of control and also the movement of gunpowder and other explosives on the river need to be Policed. In 1865 the Chief Constable got the Mersey Docks and Harbour Company to agree to fund a River Police. The Force was to be funded by the Dock Company but the officers were to be sworn in as Liverpool Borough Constables and administered by the Liverpool Borough Force Chief Constable. The River Police wore a different uniform and insignia. Officers wore a Naval refer style short coat, blue pullover with police logo and officers number displayed on front ( and possibly the back ) The Force remained a part of the Borough of Liverpool right through all changes including the 1880's when Liverpool became a City and the Police became the Liverpool City Police. The River Police continued on until the 15th of February, 1920, on which date it was absorbed into the Liverpool City Police proper. For a full overview of this force please go to the Liverpool City Police website. Insignia to the Liverpool River Police is very scarce on the market and in 50 years of collecting I have only seen one Cap Badge and one collar dogs come on the market., I know of two other Cap badges and two Collar dogs plus a number of buttons in a private collection. There was only ever approx. 14/15 men of all ranks so I am being generous saying they are scarce. In 1897 the Liverpool City Police decided to mark the Queens Diamond jubilee with a silver or bronze medal, this was to be a one off medal but circa 1900/01 the force began to issue similar medals for 20 years (Bronze) 25 years (Silver) and bars to silver medal for every 5 years thereafter. The Original medals bore the effigy of Queen Victoria. As the River police were funded solely the Dock Company I did not think that the River Police would be considered for an issue, imagine my delight to see a silver 1897 Liverpool City Police Jubilee medal to River Police Inspector John Elliott, there was only one Inspector in the River Police so this medal is unique and I believe that no other River Police officer received a medal. John Elliott was born in Weymouth, Dorset, c1845 and in 1851 was living with his Mother Jane ( Widow/Father at Sea ?) at Ivy Cottage,, Common District, Portland, Dorset. John joined the Royal Navy aged 13/14 years and by 1871 was serving as an Able Seaman on the Lord Warden of the Mediterranean Station. Sometime between 1871 and 1881 he leaves the Navy and briefly I believe he became a Constable in a Railway Company police Force but by 1881 he is a Constable in the Liverpool River Police, living with wife, Rose at 28 Canterbury Street, Everton District. !891 he is residing at 61 Gladstone Road, Edge Hill (Where I was born) with his wife Maggie. By 1901 he if living beside the River Mersey at 6 Wright Street, Egremont, Wallasey, Cheshire with Maggie. I lose sight of John after this date. During his service John was awarded a silver Marine Medal of The Liverpool Shipwreck and Humane Society for a rescue from the River A very rare medal indeed. Hope of interest

Stuart McLoughlin was a Wallasey lad who is buried close to my home. He was killed in Action 38 years ago today. He is commemorated with a CWGC headstone in Rake Lane cemetery and a tablet at the Wallasey war memorial on the Waterfront at New Brighton(Attached) There has been a campaign to have Stuart awarded a VC for which I believe he was originally considered. I have seen a Female on Remembrance Sundays wearing a Northern Ireland CSM, South Atlantic and Elizabeth Cross and assume them to be Stuarts relatives.

Hi Norman, A number of Police Forces wore a crown on the epaulette including Wallasey Borough, attached a photograph of Sgt 12 Michael McDonough ( Later a Superintendent and Deputy Ch. Constable of Wallasey) He sports his Sgts stripes and WWI medals and of course his epaulette Crown..

the medals worn by the " Constable " are Met/City of London 1887 jubilee with 1897 clasp, 1902 and 1911 Coronation medals. The helmet, badge and uniform are not from either Force and my best guess would be photographic or theatrical studio props. PS, the cap badge on left is Royal Artillery and that on right appears to be Army Service corps but very blurred, neither badge are local to a particular area.

Just over a week ago I was doing my usual round of on net medal dealers sites when I came across two QEII Police Exemplary Service medals to a husband and wife of the Merseyside Police, Sergt Joseph McLoughlin and his Wife Const Mavis McLoughlin. I quickly purchased this pair and began to investigate. Joseph was born in Liverpool c 1935/6 and probably served world war II. He joined the Liverpool City Police c.1946 and was later promoted to Sgt 8"B" at Prescot Street Police Station and when the designation "B" was given to Bootle in 1967 as a consequence of the Bootle/Liverpool amalgamation. Joe became 8"G" circa 1972 he became the crime prevention officer at "C" Division and left the Force in 1976. He apparently did not retire. His first wife died in 1972 after 20 years of marriage.Joe was an accomplished Radio Ham. He married Mavis in 1978, this was her first marriage and she was 41 years old. Mavis McLoughlin was born in Liverpool as Mavis Heeson c.1938 and joined the Liverpool City Police as 90 "WP" she served with the Women Police up to 1982, like Joe she served in the City, Liverpool and Bootle and Merseyside Police without moving anywhere. Mavis died in 2017. I am indebted to Dave Wilkinson for much of this information and photo of Joseph. I was delighted to also obtain a photograph of Mavis taken in 1958 and in conversation with the CC.

Sorry, fat finger syndrome, it should read after 1976 not 1986. I think the cardboard boxes ceased mid to late 70's early 80's.

Hi BJW, As far as I am aware the W in WPC/WPS was not to be used after the integration of genders in 1986 and would account for the "offending" letter being expunged from the box of issue. Regarding use of Police, there are many instances of a Constable not being a Police Constable. Parish Constable, Cathedral Constable, Special Constable Etc. These titles were in existence long before organised Policing. Peter