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Deelibob

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    Liverpool City Police Badges. Cheshire Constabulary Badges and 1887 Metropolitan Police Jubilee
    medals with interesting background.

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  1. Thanks BJOW, very interesting and informative, I am most grateful for your help. Regards Peter
  2. BJOW, Many thanks for the information. Regards Peter
  3. Can anyone assist with information on a PC W(illiam) PIPER, "E" Division Metropolitan Police. He is entitled to an 1887 Jubilee medal. That's all I know at present. Thanks Peter (Deelibob)
  4. Hello Peter

    Im hoping that you may have information regarding my uncle Albert Conquest. I understand from your post that you have his medals in your collection. Do you know of any detailed report of the incident, or anything else of interest? 

    Im planning a visit to his gravesite in the near future and would like to know a little more about his life.

    All the best

    Sally 

    1. Deelibob

      Deelibob

      Hello Sally,

      The only info I had I posted on site. There is information on the Armed Forces Memorial ( If I remember correctly) Sadly I no longer hold the medals as I sold them along with the rest of my collection. I was later contacted by a collector via this site, he had purchased them. He is a member of this club but I cannot remember his details. I can tell you that the group of medals consists solely of his KPM,BEM and Colonial MSM. The others I had put A War Medal, Defence Medal and Palestine Medal with the group to complete the correct group however these were copies and were no longer with the group when I sold it. I think if you put out a general request via this site the current custodian may well contact you.

      Sorry I cannot help further but wish you well in your quest.

      Peter

       

  5. Hi Peter

    The bottom line is that BTP will not reissue the medal, as the government do not do it. There are a number of licenced medal suppliers who for around £50 can supply an engraved medal. If the family wishes to pursue that then I am told that BTP may organise an official presentation of the medal to the family, probably in Liverpool. I await the decision.

    Best wishes

    Steve

    1. Deelibob

      Deelibob

      Thanks Steve,

      I have contacted Mandy (The Grandaughter) and await reply, but she will probably go for it. Will keep you posted.Thanks for everything.

    2. Polsa999

      Polsa999

      Hi Peter

      Did I give you my email? sb@essenjay.com

      Hope Mandy appreciates the 'politics' of it all.

      Best wishes

      Steve

  6. Hi Steve, My friend the Sergeant is Grandaughter to Bert but her Mother will be making the claim as Bert's Daughter.

    Thanks for your Efforts.

    Peter

    1. Polsa999

      Polsa999

      Hi Peter

      Paul Crowther the BTP Chief Constable is an old colleague of mine so I have one of his staff officers running around. Apparently they have not had this type of request recently so no-one knows the procedure. Its moving forward.

      Regards

       

      Steve

    2. Polsa999

      Polsa999

      Hi Peter

      Still work in progress....nearly there!

      Best wishes

      Steve

       

  7. I have seen a photograph of a relative taken 1943 in which he sports the ribbon of the 1939-45 star. There was also an article many years ago regarding medal ribbon collector Lionel Guille (Founder Member of OMRS) and photo of him inspecting WW2 Medal ribbon being manufactured in 1942/43. So it is possible that Christie is wearing the Defence Medal ribbon. I do not know of serial killers but certainly know of five men who served in WW1 went on to kill and took the nine o'clock walk for their trouble. The Blazing car Murderer, Travelling Salesman Alfred Rouse, 24th London Regiment, wounded during a bayonet fight at Festubert 1915 and discharged wounded with a Silver war badge badge 1916. (Suffered terrible nightmares) Entitled to WW1 Trio. The Crowborough Chicken Farm Murderer, Small holding owner Norman Thorne. Entitled BWM and Victory (Poss. Named to RNAS) "The Dandelion Dead" Murderer,Solicitor Herbert Rowse Armstrong TD MA Entitled to TD,TEM and BWM. Don't think he served overseas. (It may be that the TEM was handed in on his being awarded the TD as some officers did) Police Killers, Garage Owners Browne and Kennedy who murdered Essex Police Constable George Gutteridge c. 1927 during the theft of a Morris Cowley motor car. I believe both entitled to Trio's but not confirmed. I would not doubt there are many more. Hope of interest. Peter OMRS = Orders and Medals Research Society
  8. Spot on Dave, he was a Paid Police War Reserve and as such not entitled to Special Cons Faithful Service medal. As far as I am aware he is only entitled to a First War Medal and Victory. It is possible he may have worn a 14/15 star ribbon when not entitled.(There is certainly more than two medal ribbons on the bar he wears.) He served with the Duke Wellingtons Yorkshire Regiment and was invalided out due to Mustard Gas poisoning. He is/was entitled to a silver wound badge.
  9. Hi, There is a small book called " The Tottenham Outrage" written in 2009 to coincide with the anniversary and available (or Was) from the Tottenham Council/Amenities. It is very in depth and will answer all your questions. My understanding is that at some stage during the chase the two Letts meandered over or close to the "J" Division border and were engaged by officers of that Division. In the book a full list is given of those Civilian and Police, Killed, Wounded, Awarded KPM's, Commendations or Notes to Constables Credit. Regards Peter
  10. Hi Steve,

    Again thanks for the information, I am at present getting ready to do some research on him, I will send full details of his citation and the location of incident for inclusion on the BTPHG site.

    The main reason for this message is that I initially went to the BTPHG site to view Michaels entry thereon, I then viewed Police Roll of Honour Trust and was a bit confused/dismayed to see he was not included on it.(AS best as I could see, but I do attend Spec Savers) I mention this just in case it has been an oversight and he is meant to be on the PRofHT.

    Regards

    Peter Dellius

    1. Polsa999

      Polsa999

      Hi Peter

      Thanks for the heads up, past experience with the PRoHT is not great. Additions to their Roll takes a great deal of time and for some reason never happens! However saying that, the HG do keep them updated. Thanks for the offer to keep us updated.

      Best wishes

      Steve Beamon

    2. Deelibob

      Deelibob

      Hi Steve,

      I was perusing an old Auction list (C.2010) and came across this pair of medals. Defence medal with Kings Commendation Oak Leaf for brave conduct and the LMS silver medal for courage.

      They were awarded to Special Constable Herbert George Thomas of Sheffield (Wicker) 12th December 1941 for Courage during the Blitz on Sheffield.

      I presume he was a Sheffield special but worked for LMS or could be the Gallant act took place on LMS land.

      Just two medals the LMS is shown Obverse and Reverse. They sold for £1000.oo

      Thought you may be interested.

      Regards, Peter

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    3. Polsa999

      Polsa999

      Thanks Peter...sorry for delay in replying but not been so good! Will pass on the information for investigation. Best wishes Steve

      A quick reply.....yes there was a guy with this name who was a LMS police special but was based at Bow in London....thanks for the information. We now have to find out whether this is the correct one.....was the information about Sheffield on the eBay entry? Joined LMS specials on 25/09/1939 and left 24/09/1945 to return to the railway.

  11. Nilsen was attached, as a cook, to the Argyle and Sutherland Highlanders, famous for their exploits in the Crater District of Aden under Col."Mad Mitch" Mitchell. I have seen a photograph of Nilsen wearing a A&SH Glengarry. The medal was sold in London and I have kept a weathered eye out for it since the 70's and to my knowledge it has never appeared. Sadly it could have fallen victim to the trend at the time of jeweller's using GSM's to Corps as replacements by skimming name off and renaming.This was done before reasonable copies were available on the market.
  12. This is the first I have heard of this matter but for what it is worth here is what I know of the issuing process. The HR (Personnel as was) note the officer is entitled to the Exemplary Police Service Medal ( Known to all and sundry as the LS&GC) They make a list of those eligible, ie 20 years Service (22 years as was) they forward the list to the Professional Standards Department (Discipline Department as was) for a Check as to whether there are any matters past, present or pending which would exclude an officer from being awarded the medal. If all clear the HR submit the names for approval to the Home Secretary in the case of most forces but in the case of Port, Tunnel Police etc to the Secretary of State for Transport, when approved the HR forward the list to the Royal mint who will strike, name and supply the medals to the Force in question. The Mint do not issue medals they supply them to the Police from a list supplied to them by the HR of the Force concerned. The fault for false information given to the Mint must lay with the HR. I speak from experience as I have been involved in the process.
  13. BJofW, Please bear with me as I am new to Met.Police collecting but I think that you may find that PC Thompson has a (Tenuous) link with the Jack the Ripper I have the following from a book on the murders. I do not own the book (and alas do not recall the title) and this is from rough notes I made from it. On the 13th February 1891, Pc 240"H" Ernest Thompson was on his first lone night patrol when he disturbed the Murderer of Frances Cole ( who some believe was a Ripper victim) in Swallow Gardens, although he heard the receding footsteps of the assailant he saw Frances's eyelid move and so in accordance with force orders he stayed with the victim who he deemed alive. A decision he was to regret for the rest of his short life. He was stabbed to death by a Barnett Abrahams having moved him on once after a disturbance at a Cabmans refreshment stall. I am sure this information can be verified Regards Peter
  14. Odin, Many thanks for your helpful information and advice as always. Regards Peter
  15. Polsa, Correction, after re searching the RofH I find he is on it under the BTP but only with the information that you have. A glancing search of Ancestry shows that he is, if same man, variously refered to as Leonard Harold, Harold Leonard with the surname Wetherall, Weatherall and Witherall. He was b. Dartford, Kent 1897 and appears to have married a Miss. Vincent in 1922. Regards Peter
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