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  1. Can anyone assist with information on a PC W(illiam) PIPER, "E" Division Metropolitan Police. He is entitled to an 1887 Jubilee medal. That's all I know at present. Thanks Peter (Deelibob)
  2. Thanks BJOW, very interesting and informative, I am most grateful for your help. Regards Peter
  3. BJOW, Many thanks for the information. Regards Peter
  4. Hi Steve, My friend the Sergeant is Grandaughter to Bert but her Mother will be making the claim as Bert's Daughter.

    Thanks for your Efforts.

    Peter

    1. Polsa999

      Polsa999

      Hi Peter

      Paul Crowther the BTP Chief Constable is an old colleague of mine so I have one of his staff officers running around. Apparently they have not had this type of request recently so no-one knows the procedure. Its moving forward.

      Regards

       

      Steve

    2. Polsa999

      Polsa999

      Hi Peter

      Still work in progress....nearly there!

      Best wishes

      Steve

       

  5. I have seen a photograph of a relative taken 1943 in which he sports the ribbon of the 1939-45 star. There was also an article many years ago regarding medal ribbon collector Lionel Guille (Founder Member of OMRS) and photo of him inspecting WW2 Medal ribbon being manufactured in 1942/43. So it is possible that Christie is wearing the Defence Medal ribbon. I do not know of serial killers but certainly know of five men who served in WW1 went on to kill and took the nine o'clock walk for their trouble. The Blazing car Murderer, Travelling Salesman Alfred Rouse, 24th London Regiment, wounded during a bayonet fight at Festubert 1915 and discharged wounded with a Silver war badge badge 1916. (Suffered terrible nightmares) Entitled to WW1 Trio. The Crowborough Chicken Farm Murderer, Small holding owner Norman Thorne. Entitled BWM and Victory (Poss. Named to RNAS) "The Dandelion Dead" Murderer,Solicitor Herbert Rowse Armstrong TD MA Entitled to TD,TEM and BWM. Don't think he served overseas. (It may be that the TEM was handed in on his being awarded the TD as some officers did) Police Killers, Garage Owners Browne and Kennedy who murdered Essex Police Constable George Gutteridge c. 1927 during the theft of a Morris Cowley motor car. I believe both entitled to Trio's but not confirmed. I would not doubt there are many more. Hope of interest. Peter OMRS = Orders and Medals Research Society
  6. Spot on Dave, he was a Paid Police War Reserve and as such not entitled to Special Cons Faithful Service medal. As far as I am aware he is only entitled to a First War Medal and Victory. It is possible he may have worn a 14/15 star ribbon when not entitled.(There is certainly more than two medal ribbons on the bar he wears.) He served with the Duke Wellingtons Yorkshire Regiment and was invalided out due to Mustard Gas poisoning. He is/was entitled to a silver wound badge.
  7. Hi, There is a small book called " The Tottenham Outrage" written in 2009 to coincide with the anniversary and available (or Was) from the Tottenham Council/Amenities. It is very in depth and will answer all your questions. My understanding is that at some stage during the chase the two Letts meandered over or close to the "J" Division border and were engaged by officers of that Division. In the book a full list is given of those Civilian and Police, Killed, Wounded, Awarded KPM's, Commendations or Notes to Constables Credit. Regards Peter
  8. Hi Steve,

    Again thanks for the information, I am at present getting ready to do some research on him, I will send full details of his citation and the location of incident for inclusion on the BTPHG site.

    The main reason for this message is that I initially went to the BTPHG site to view Michaels entry thereon, I then viewed Police Roll of Honour Trust and was a bit confused/dismayed to see he was not included on it.(AS best as I could see, but I do attend Spec Savers) I mention this just in case it has been an oversight and he is meant to be on the PRofHT.

    Regards

    Peter Dellius

    1. Polsa999

      Polsa999

      Hi Peter

      Thanks for the heads up, past experience with the PRoHT is not great. Additions to their Roll takes a great deal of time and for some reason never happens! However saying that, the HG do keep them updated. Thanks for the offer to keep us updated.

      Best wishes

      Steve Beamon

    2. Deelibob

      Deelibob

      Hi Steve,

      I was perusing an old Auction list (C.2010) and came across this pair of medals. Defence medal with Kings Commendation Oak Leaf for brave conduct and the LMS silver medal for courage.

      They were awarded to Special Constable Herbert George Thomas of Sheffield (Wicker) 12th December 1941 for Courage during the Blitz on Sheffield.

      I presume he was a Sheffield special but worked for LMS or could be the Gallant act took place on LMS land.

      Just two medals the LMS is shown Obverse and Reverse. They sold for £1000.oo

      Thought you may be interested.

      Regards, Peter

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    3. Polsa999

      Polsa999

      Thanks Peter...sorry for delay in replying but not been so good! Will pass on the information for investigation. Best wishes Steve

      A quick reply.....yes there was a guy with this name who was a LMS police special but was based at Bow in London....thanks for the information. We now have to find out whether this is the correct one.....was the information about Sheffield on the eBay entry? Joined LMS specials on 25/09/1939 and left 24/09/1945 to return to the railway.

  9. Nilsen was attached, as a cook, to the Argyle and Sutherland Highlanders, famous for their exploits in the Crater District of Aden under Col."Mad Mitch" Mitchell. I have seen a photograph of Nilsen wearing a A&SH Glengarry. The medal was sold in London and I have kept a weathered eye out for it since the 70's and to my knowledge it has never appeared. Sadly it could have fallen victim to the trend at the time of jeweller's using GSM's to Corps as replacements by skimming name off and renaming.This was done before reasonable copies were available on the market.
  10. This is the first I have heard of this matter but for what it is worth here is what I know of the issuing process. The HR (Personnel as was) note the officer is entitled to the Exemplary Police Service Medal ( Known to all and sundry as the LS&GC) They make a list of those eligible, ie 20 years Service (22 years as was) they forward the list to the Professional Standards Department (Discipline Department as was) for a Check as to whether there are any matters past, present or pending which would exclude an officer from being awarded the medal. If all clear the HR submit the names for approval to the Home Secretary in the case of most forces but in the case of Port, Tunnel Police etc to the Secretary of State for Transport, when approved the HR forward the list to the Royal mint who will strike, name and supply the medals to the Force in question. The Mint do not issue medals they supply them to the Police from a list supplied to them by the HR of the Force concerned. The fault for false information given to the Mint must lay with the HR. I speak from experience as I have been involved in the process.
  11. BJofW, Please bear with me as I am new to Met.Police collecting but I think that you may find that PC Thompson has a (Tenuous) link with the Jack the Ripper I have the following from a book on the murders. I do not own the book (and alas do not recall the title) and this is from rough notes I made from it. On the 13th February 1891, Pc 240"H" Ernest Thompson was on his first lone night patrol when he disturbed the Murderer of Frances Cole ( who some believe was a Ripper victim) in Swallow Gardens, although he heard the receding footsteps of the assailant he saw Frances's eyelid move and so in accordance with force orders he stayed with the victim who he deemed alive. A decision he was to regret for the rest of his short life. He was stabbed to death by a Barnett Abrahams having moved him on once after a disturbance at a Cabmans refreshment stall. I am sure this information can be verified Regards Peter
  12. Could anyone assist with information on an Inspector J.Davis "B" Divn. Metropolitan Police 1887. Thanks Peter
  13. Odin, Many thanks for your helpful information and advice as always. Regards Peter
  14. Polsa, Correction, after re searching the RofH I find he is on it under the BTP but only with the information that you have. A glancing search of Ancestry shows that he is, if same man, variously refered to as Leonard Harold, Harold Leonard with the surname Wetherall, Weatherall and Witherall. He was b. Dartford, Kent 1897 and appears to have married a Miss. Vincent in 1922. Regards Peter
  15. Polsa, Try Anthony Rae at the Police Roll of Honour Trust, although I know Weatherall does not appear Mr Rae just may be able to assist or point you in right direction as he has great experience of such research. Regards Peter.
  16. The following group is to Sergeant and later Inspector Philip Robert "Buck" Adams, Palestine Police, and consists of the Colonial Police medal for Gallantry with a Clasp for Gallantry, this being the first Clasp ever issued and the only one for Palestine out of only nine ever awarded. General Service Medal Bars Palestine (1936-39) and Palestine 1945-48, Defence Medal, War Medal and Colonial Police Long Service and Good Conduct. It appears that Buck is entitled to a further Clasp to the GSM, that of "Canal Zone" Research is on going re this. Buck Adams Gallantry on two occasions earned the CPM (G) and Clasp but like a lot of awards for clandestine work in Palestine the citations were not Gazetted but I feel the Medal was probably for an incident in Jericho in 1939 and outlined in attachment. Buck Adams Died in 1986 and his fulsome obituary is also attached. I hope this group also pleases those with an interest. Peter
  17. I have been offered a 1887 Met Police Jubilee medal to PC E. Nursey "A" Division. The vendor has a note with the medal which states " Involved in Jill the Ripper Murders" Which I take to mean he was involved in the investigation re the Murderer Mary Pearcey. I would be grateful for any information on PC Nursey. Many Thanks Peter
  18. Thanks Max, I have no further information on Ivy, only that someone thought she had gone to Cyprus with the Liverpool City contingent. Thanks very much for your efforts and if any further information comes to light I will certainly be in touch. Regards Peter
  19. I am trying to establish if a Female Constable Ivy A. Murray (nee Philips) served in Cyprus as part of the Liverpool City Police Contingent and would be grateful for any help. Thanks
  20. Thanks Guys, Very informative indeed. Will follow up and try to obtain medal. Regards Peter
  21. The attached uncut pair of Divisional shoulder titles were given to me many years ago by a WW2 Veteran who had served in the Recon Corps and 11th Hussars. Can anyone identify the Division they represent. Thanks Peter
  22. Up to mid eighties such behaviour was frowned upon by the UK Police Service with many officers being put on report including one in Liverpool who merely let a football supporter wear his helmet whilst he donned the supporters red/white cap. However, the Powers that be later decided that such displays of interaction were to be encouraged as it would let the public see the human side of the Police. An old hand said to me, " Familiarity breeds contempt, just watch respect for the Police drop" have the intervening years proved him right ?
  23. Hi Alex, I would agree it is a life saving medal awarded by a Society such as the Royal Humane Etc. I have only ever seen one medal with the suspension bar so close to the actual medal and that is the Stanhope medal, however, the medal in the photo does not depict the half circle effect on the suspender. My best guess would be it is a jewellers mounted medal of the Society of the Protection of Life from Fire, this sports a dark Red ribbon. But it is just a guess. Peter
  24. Can anyone assist with information on Constable J. Wyatt 2nd Division and information on 2nd Division would also be appreciated. Regards Peter
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