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  1. This is a late addition to Police Sergeant Hezekiah Cook, collar number 32H......the collar number is an important piece of information that will become evident shortly. Police Sergeant 32H Hezekiah Cook was responsible for ''Common Lodging Houses'' in Whitechapel during the Jack the Ripper murders of 1888. I was attempting to find out what his duties were when I came across this article. It is dated the 13th of October in 1888 which is right in the JTR period. Basically it states :- This article relates to a robbery which you can read from the attached photographs. P.S. 32H [Hezekiah Cook] and an Inspector were responsible for the Inspections etc of the registered Common Lodging Houses within the Whitechapel or 'H' division's area. There were 127 common lodging houses in Whitechapel in 1888 and they accommodated about 6,000 persons. They were all visited, once a week, on average. He doubted if a single registered lodging house would be found without thieves and prostitutes among its lodgers. Obviously this was common knowledge regarding the criminals and low classes that resided in these lodging houses. This article was copied and covered in many newspapers, all over the country and the story came from the Worship-street Police Court. [Magistrate Montagu Williams] [The regulations covering common lodging houses were transferred from the Police in 1894 to the London County Council.] 10/10/1888 The famous Henrietta Barnett [author and social reformer], wife of the Reverent Samuel Barnett, St Jude's Church, collected a petition to give to Queen Victoria. Henrietta collected 4,000 names from the ''women of Whitechapel'' begging the Queen to have the Common Lodging Houses closed down in Whitechapel. [Many people felt that these establishments were responsible for the decline in human standards. 22/11/1888. Now we go to the House of Commons. Mr Howell asked the Home Secretary Mr Matthews whether his attention had been called to the remarks of the Metropolitan Magistrate, Mr Montagu Williams, at Worship-street Police Court, on Monday last - namely, ''that the whole crime of the district is due to registered lodging houses...…..which are made the homes of the men who perpetrate robberies and of the words of the policemen, whom he quotes said,' they were the resort of notorious characters.' I am not saying Police Sergeant Hezekiah Cook was the Policeman the Magistrate was quoting, I am just pointing out that being the district Police Sergeant in Whitechapel inspecting the Common Lodging Houses...…. was a highly controversial subject especially in 1888. Alan.
  2. Hello, I was wondering if anybody could give me some advice on how to research the following individual from the Royal Navy who served during War War II. The problem is I do not have his service number and so I do not know if it would even be possible to identity him. Hopefully I can get some advice. [a] George Desmond Jonathon Smith. D.O.B. 1928. Peterborough, Cambridgeshire, England. [c] Served in the Royal Navy from 1944 to 1949. [d] Served on HMS London in 1949, during the Yangtze Incident. [e] Released from the Navy and on the 1/11/1949 joined the Police. Without the service number, I have no idea on how to try and verify the information that I have been given. Any help would be much appreciated. I have only ever done one other entry on this excellent site so if I make any mistakes just let me know. regards, Alan. Hi, I forgot to say that I read somewhere that only 1450 Naval General Service medals with the bar ''Yangtzi 1949'' were issued to military personnel so you would think that there would be a readily available official list of those who received the award but I can't seem to find it. regards, Alan.
  3. Hi Tony, I am hoping that is exactly what the family will do but I am going to leave it at that. If they do managed to get additional information I am sure they will post it on ancestry and I will find it there. At least the younger members of the family are aware of his famous naval service. thanks, Alan.
  4. Before I start I just wanted to say the presentation, research and the stories themselves, of the first two posts, was excellent. This is ''Police Constable Jesse Barlow - I guarded Queen Victoria. Jesse Barlow was born in Corsley, in Warminster, in Wiltshire, on the 30th of March in 1865. He joined the Metropolitan Police on the 20th of July in 1885 and was assigned to Whitehall or 'A' division. [Warrant number 70890/collar number 324A] On the 22nd of August in 1910, Police Constable Jesse Barlow retired on pension from the Metropolitan Police and Whitehall or 'A' division. Jesse Barlow retired to Yew Cottage, Bottlesford, in Pewsey, in Wiltshire. Police Constable Jesse Barlow was awarded the following medals :- [a] Queen Victoria Metropolitan Police Jubilee medal for 1887. Queen Victoria Metropolitan Police Jubilee Clasp for 1897. [c] Queen Victoria Jubilee medal in bronze for 1897 and only 890 of these medals were awarded and awarded to specially selected individuals. [d] Metropolitan Police Coronation medal for 1902. A collector/research who realised the rarity of the Queen Victoria medal in bronze for 1897 began the process of discovering the hidden story. This research took place between 1979 to 1981. What made Police Constable Jesse Barlow's story especially interesting was the ''family history'' that was recorded. Summary of the family history, ''Police Constable Jesse Barlow was attached to Windsor Castle and accompanied Queen Victoria and the Royal Party to Osbourne House and Balmoral Castle on many occasions. He received gifts from Queen Victoria and Tzar Nicholas II and had been introduced to the German Emperor. Police Constable Jesse Barlow participated in Queen Victoria's funeral.'' The more we can confirm and evidence the family history, then this gives greater creditability to the whole family history story. We Know that Police Constable Jesse Barlow sometime between the last quarter of 1887 and the beginning of 1891 was assigned to Special Duties with the Windsor Castle Precinct. It was stated there were 5 Police Constable allocated to this duty. In the England Census of 1891, the records show that Police Constable Jesse Barlow and two of his colleagues were residing at the Police Lodge, on the Isle of Wight, as Queen Victoria was in residence at Osbourne House. One of the stories that may give some insight into what things were like at the Royal Households, is that when Princess Ena [later to become Queen of Spain] was a little girl she would sometimes give her hoop and other outdoor toys to Police Constable Jesse Barlow to look after them. I would suspect this is more likely to have occurred at Osbourne House in the summer months. In 1893, Jesse Barlow marries Janet May Best in Windsor, in Berkshire and it was stated that Queen Victoria gave them a beautiful Irish linen tablecloth as a wedding present. Queen Victoria was well known for her generosity for giving gifts especially at Christmas. One of Police Constable Jesse Barlow's most precious possessions was a silver mounted and engraved walking stick which was given to him by Queen Victoria. Police Constable Jesse Barlow also owned a silver watch and chain which was decorated with an eagle. It is documented that Tzar Nicholas II visited Queen Victoria at Balmoral Castle in 1896. It is also recorded that he gave the local Police Sergeant a diamond ring and that every on-duty Policeman received a silver watch and chain that was engraved with the Russian Eagle. In the England Census of 1901, Police Constable Jesse Barlow and his wife and three children are residing in the family home in Springfield Road, in Clewer, in Berkshire. Police Constable Jesse Barlow is still stationed at Windsor Castle and he has already served Queen Victoria for over a decade. A photograph was provided by the family showing Police Constable Jesse Barlow in his Metropolitan Police uniform and wearing his medals and standing with some other unidentified Police Constables. We can date the photograph to between the end of 1897 and the beginning of 1902 because of the medals he is wearing. The photograph was probably taken at either Osbourne House, Windsor Castle or Balmoral Castle so I think the unidentified Police Constables might belong to either Hampshire, Berkshire or Aberdeenshire Constabulary but I am not sure about that. At 6.30pm on the 22nd of January in 1901, Queen Victoria died at Osbourne House, on the Isle of Wight. On the 23rd and 24th of January hundreds of staff, servants and estate workers were allowed to pay their last respects, as they filed past Queen Victoria's coffin. It is almost certain the Police Constable Jesse Barlow would have been one of them and this is also the period when he would have been met the Germany Kaiser who attended Osbourne House. The first phase of Queen Victoria's funeral journey to Windsor Castle was from Osbourne House to the pier on the Isle of Wight. Police Constable Jesse Barlow's family history states he was part of this historic procession. When studying the photographs, film still and films of this famous event, it become quite clear, that there was a Metropolitan Police presence which was located adjacent to the Royal Princess's party. It consisted of one Metropolitan Police Sergeant and three Police Constables on each side of the column and as previously said they were adjacent to the black clad Princess's and other senior female members of the party. It took me approximately 6-12 months of luck/research to identify Police Constable Jesse Barlow as being part of the above Metropolitan Police delegation as can be evidenced by the attached photograph. Alan. Police Constable Jesse Barlow. I forgot to mention that after he retired from the Metropolitan Police and a few years later...….. his eldest son who was 18 years old, 21017 Private Herbert James Barlow of the 5th Battalion of the Wiltshire Regiment was killed at the Battle of Bait Isa, in Mesopotamia in 1916 and that his medals also remain with the family group. Alan.
  5. Hello, Police Constable 881 Edward Watkins served in the City of London Police from 15/5/1871 to 28/5/1896. Police Constable 881 Edward Watkins...…. his most famous moment was in the early hours of the 30th of September in 1888 when he discovered the body of Catherine Eddowes in Mitre Square [Jack the Ripper had struck again.]…………... Now before I explain this entry, I think it would be best to give you some background information. My name is Alan Baird and for many years I have collected Victorian/Edwardian etc Police medals ie Queen Victoria Metropolitan Police Jubilee medal for 1887, Queen Victoria Metropolitan Police Jubilee medal for 1897 [or clasp] and the Metropolitan Police Coronation medals for 1902 and 1911. The collection also covered, to a much smaller extent, City of London Police medals, as detailed above. Each individual policeman was extensively researched. At its peak, my collection included approximately 125 policemen and their individual medal or group of medals. Obviously, my collection's time frame covered the, 'Jack the Ripper murder period in 1888' but I don not class myself as a Ripperologist but rather more of an amateur researcher and researching within a very specific period and subject. At regular intervals, I would search the usual sources ie ebay etc to check for any new medals going onto the market but I have found that, on many occasions, that it is the auction sites and overseas dealers that can be a very good source of quality medals and at reasonable prices. I have bought from America, Australia, Canada, Germany, New Zealand, Portugal and South Africa etc. The relevance of this information will become clear shortly. I will post this and be back very shortly Alan. I hope I add these pictures correctly onto the site and I am not sure about the size of the photo's or how many could go on each reply. So I will just wing it. Alan. Police Constable 881 Edward Watkins City of London Police. Alan.
  6. Hi Dave and thanks, Does that mean I should go onto the new thread, then 'share this post,' adding in the PC881 details so that it then comes up on my post on the new thread? Maybe I should cut and paste but I think I will leave it for now. thank you again, Alan.
  7. Hi, To transfer a post.....top right hand symbol 'share a post' and then add in Hi, Unfortunately I am not sure how to repost the posts.....would you for example go into post 15 and use the ''share this post'' and then use the tales-from-the-station-cat/ heading and then use then tap on the google symbol or something like that. Alan.
  8. Hi Dave, I think you will like the story, I just hope I can summarise it so that I do it justice. The only reason this story is available today is due to a researcher …..researching the story in 1979-1981 and the real breakthrough when he found and contacted the family where he got the family history of this Police Constable. It was from there the full picture came out but I will need to write it up over the week-end. Alan.
  9. That is fine with me and I have a story that I could add, if you wanted, regarding a ''Metropolitan Police Constable that guarded Queen Victoria.'' and of course it is fully evidenced. Just let me know if you are interested and how or what to do, remember that I am new to the club. regards, Alan.
  10. The first story in 1888 I have known about for many years but the second story in 1892 I only discovered in the last few months. It is more impressive than the photograph shows.
  11. Hi, Metropolitan Police Sergeant Hezekiah Cook was serving in Whitehapel or 'H' division at the same time as Police Constable 881 Edward Watkins was serving with the City of London Police in 1888 and both men, like so many others, were hunting for Jack the Ripper. Police Sergeant Hezekiah Cook served from 1865 to 1892 and this included serving as a Police Sergeant in Whitechapel or 'H' division from 28/4/1883 to 15/2/1892 when he retired from the Metropolitan Police. [Retired as a Police Sergeant/collar number was 32H. The Star Newspaper article on the 15th of October in 1888 stated :- ''It was reported that in a lodging-house in Brick-Lane, in Whitechapel, some of the residents became suspicious and concerned by the behaviour of somebody staying at the lodging-house. They informed the Police of their concerns and Sergeant Cook and some other officers arrested the individual. The prisoner was taken to Commercial Street Police Station but within half an hour the prisoner was able to convince the authorities he was not the man they were looking for. The hunt for Jack the Ripper continues.'' The Inquest on the human remains discovered in Spitalfield, in early October in 1892. The Inquest was held at the Town Hall, Old Street, in Shoreditch into the circumstances of the human remains that were found in Flower and Dean Street, in Spitalfield. There were 7 whole skeletons found at this location. Hezekiah Cook of 1 Princes Street, Spitalfield gave evidence at the Inquest, as he had previously been a Whitechapel division inspector of common lodging-houses. Hezekiah Cook confirmed that a lodging-house had been operating on the site and he was obviously requested to attend the Inquest on behalf of the Metropolitan Police, even although he was now retired. The two separate stories confirm his role within Whitechapel or 'H' division, as being an expert on the lodging-houses, within the divisions area. This might have been an interesting role to be in, during the Jack the Ripper reign of terror. The medal never possessed a good patina but tarnish/dirt effected the engraving on the rim and therefore it became necessary for the medal to be cleaned. I will add some photographs on shortly, as I had forgot to reduce their size. I will do it on the next reply.
  12. ''The Shooting of Police Constable George Harrington.'' To set the scene :- In the early hours of the 3d of February in 1900, word came to the Police Station of a burglary in the area and officers were dispatched to investigate the incident. Snow had fallen, brightening the usually dark early winter morning [5.20am], on this particular day. Footprints of 3 people passing into the grounds of a large house were found and Police Constable George Harrington [393P] and Police Constable George Parker [160P] proceeded to follow them. Suddenly they came upon the 3 suspects from approximately 15 yards away and Gustavo Franci [18], Ernest Reuter [19] and Frederick Braun [20] all drew their revolvers and opened fire. Two of suspects then ran away but Gustavo Franci ran towards Police Constable George Harrington firing twice and the second bullet struck the Police Constable in the thigh. George Harrington cried out that he had been shot in the leg, he was in great pain, the shock took away the use of his leg and he was dazed and said that he could not see for a minute. Police Constable George Parker ran after Gustavo Franci who then fired one or two rounds at Police Constable George Parker, one of which struck the officers helmet. Police Constable George Parker used his truncheon to down and disarm and arrest Gustavo Franci. Police Constable William Read [38PR], Police Constable Harry Easter [592P] and Police Constable Frederick Dyer [38P] armed only with their truncheons and already knowing one of their colleagues had been wounded and multiple shots had been fired , continued after the two suspects that had run off. These officers were responsible for disarming and capturing of the two suspects and later it was confirmed all three suspects were in possession of fully loaded revolvers. The Divisional Police Surgeon examined Police Constable George Harrington at approximately 6.45am at the station and it was found the bullet had caused a severe contusion on the left thigh but had not broken the skin and he was suffering from shock. The Police Constable was told to go to bed and remain off work for at least 12 days. Police Constable George Harrington was probably saved from a more severe injury by his wet and heavy police overcoat and the other garments beneath it, that helped him to keep out the winter weather and reduced the power of the bullet that struck him. At the Old Bailey trial the suspects were found guilty of shooting with the intent to do grievous bodily harm and to avoid lawful arrest. All the officer's were, ''highly complimented on their conduct'' by the Judge and were very brave in tackling 3 dangerous and armed criminals who had no hesitation in firing at the Police. N.B. That in Police Constable George Harrington's pension records, it records he was off work for 65 days due to this injury so we can guess it was more complicated injury than first appeared. Police Constable George Harrington's medals. Alan.
  13. Hi Mike, Glad you like the story. It would be appalling to suffer such injuries in todays life but it is hard to imagine what it must have been like for Police Constable Alfred Brace in 1894. Months of horrendous pain and with the loss of so many teeth his mouth area would have partially collapsed, his speech would be different, he would have difficulties eating and there is always the danger of infections. Imagine the scene at Peckham Police Station when he was brought in and the anger from the other Constables etc at what had been done to their friend and colleague. The sight of Police Constable Alfred Brace with his injuries, severe bleeding, in pain and in shock, must have been awful to witness. Alan.
  14. Hi, Sometimes it is the small story that gets lost with time, that can be the most poignant. At approximately 10.30pm on Saturday the 20th of October in 1894, Police Constable Alfred Brace [176P] was in Commercial Road, in Peckham. A group of 4 to 5 men were causing a disturbance and when Police Constable Alfred Brace gave them a warning about their behaviour, Daniel Neil [21] a labourer, struck the Police Constable in the side of the face. Police Constable Alfred Brace arrested the individual and Police Constable Richard Vosper came to his assistance in taking the prisoner back to the Peckham Police Station. When they had travelled approximately 500 yards from where the original incident had taken place, Henry Neil [26] a labourer and the brother to Daniel Neil and who was one of the original group of men causing the disturbance, attacked the two Police Constables with an iron bar. Henry Neil struck Police Constable Richard Vosper with the iron bar across the back of his head knocking his helmet off and he then struck Police Constable Alfred Brace in the face with the same weapon. Police Constable Alfred Brace was hit so hard in the mouth that he lost 17 teeth, his lips were split right through and he also lost part of his gum. Even although he was badly injured and in great pain and was suffering from shock, Police Constable Alfred Brace continued to keep hold of Daniel Neil and Police Constable Robert Vosper managed to detain Henry Neil. Other officers and a member of the public came to their assistance and also helped to get Police Constable Alfred Brace back to Peckham Police Station where Doctor Esher the Police Surgeon attended to the Constables wounds. The doctor testified that Police Constable Alfred Brace was in considerable pain and had extensive damage to his mouth area. Henry Neil was found guilty of the vicious attack on Police Constable Alfred Brace and was sentenced to 7 years penal servitude and Daniel Neil was sentenced to 6 months hard labour. Mr Justice Hawkins expressed his admiration for the remarkable bravery of Police Constable Alfred Brace and for his good discretion and good temper. Both the Grand Jury and the Pettit Jury also made similar commendations. [Lisburn Herald 27/10/1894 and the Old Bailey trial records.] [Although this has nothing to do with Police Constable 881 Edward Watkins, it does give you an insight into the bravery of Victorian Police. Whether they be Metropolitan Police or City of London Police.] See below Police Constable Richard Vosper's Metropolitan Police medals.
  15. Hi Simon, Thank you for your comments. Some of these medals which I have collected over the years, were specifically collected because they had really interesting stories to them and I have never shared these stories. Maybe it is time to share that history. regards, Alan. I forgot to add this photograph of Police Constable 661 George Sims engraved medal details. My camera is not the greatest at close-quarters photography but I have added it anyway. Alan.
  16. ''Evidence the Evidence.'' The following photographs relates to Police Constable 661 George James Sims of the City of London Police and his City of London Police Jubilee medal of 1887. He joined on the 15th of March in 1866 and retired on pension on the 31st of January in 1895. We know his City of London Police Jubilee medal of 1887 is original because :- [a] The Records. [City of London Police, Census records etc.] The Physical Properties. [The details/style/engraving, the weight etc.] [c] The Family Connection. [Items relate to his daughters.] Because we have excellent evidence on PC 661 George James Sims, even the most ordinary and basic details become more important. For example the medal ribbon bar pin which is located at the top of the ribbon, we can confirm it is both original and contemporary and I have seen other examples of this same ribbon bar on such medals. Therefore when we examine PC 661 George James Sims medal with PC 881 Edward Watkins medal we can evidence they are both original and contemporary. This is just one little point about the importance of such evidence. Alan.
  17. Hi Mike, The quote I like best is, ''Elementary, my dear Watson,'' because I believe Conan Doyle never actually used this phrase in any of his stories. Alan.
  18. Hi, Thanks Mike. When I was taking the above pictures for this post, I was handling the medal very carefully because I felt this medal was different from all the other medals I have. It was just a feeling but in reality they are all the same Anyway, I have taken more photographs of another example of a City of London Police Jubilee medal from 1887 so I could show the engraved details but alas my old camera blurred 11 out of the 12 close-ups. The one photograph that was reasonable is limited in what it covers but the story of this City Policeman is really quite interesting so I will include these pictures. This group of medals belongs to Detective Chief Inspector Frederick Charles Birch Holmes who joined the City of London Police on the 30th of August in 1878. In 1887 he is, 'PC 483 F Holmes.' He would have been a detective around this period and remained a Detective up until he retired from the City of London Police on the 11th of February in 1909, as a Detective Chief. Inspector. There are numerous Old Bailey trial records which he is involved in. What is amusing...…….. is that around this period when he was promoted to Detective Holmes...…... Arthur Conan Doyle was publishing his first story, 'A Study in Scarlet,' in 1886 and from there the story of Sherlock Holmes swept London and the Country. I am not say the two events are connected, what I am saying is that he must have taken some stick about being Detective Holmes in Victorian London during this period. Here is another photo of Detective Chief Inspector Holmes's medals.
  19. My apologies if I am doing this all wrong, as all the replies I complete..... just seem to merge into one and I am not sure if that is the best way to do it. I will attach another photograph of Police Constable 881 Edward Watkins and see what happens. I am away tomorrow and will probably not be back until Thursday. regards, Alan.
  20. Hello, The first two photographs merged with the original entry, instead of being attached to a separate reply but it does not matter. Police Constable 881 Edward Watkins, City of London Police medal, as you can see, has a very nice patina and is engraved with the correct details and in the correct style. I know this because I have compared the medal with other City of London Police Jubilee medals from 1887 which I have in my collection. I may post an example later. The medal is also the correct weight and even the ribbon bar is original, as I have seen other City of London medals fitted with the same ribbon bar pin. Alan. I am going to try and place another photograph which hopefully I will attach to this separate reply. Alan My camera is quite old but I am quite happy with the results. The camera's weakness is in close-up's but these have come out O.K. Lets try another download. This one will show what Police Constable 881 Edward Watkins looked like from an artist sketch from 1888. Alan.
  21. Hello, I find I have a very strange mystery which I was hoping somebody can help to solve. Information and idea's most welcome. Metropolitan Police Constable William Ind was attached to the Metropolitan Police Commissioner's Office from 14/1/1893 to 18/4/1904. Special duties involved protecting Government departments, public companies or private individuals etc and he was assigned to be, ''Employed at War Dept. Station, Selby.'' We know this because that information is clearly detailed on his pension records from 1904....but he was employed to work at the War Dept, Station at Selby, in Yorkshire. The England Census of 1901, the records show that PC William Ind and family as residing at the White House, at Barlby, in Yorkshire. That entry includes PC William Ind [42], his wife Eliza [47] and their children Clara Elizabeth [11] and Daisy Priscilla Ind [9]. PC William Ind's Metropolitan Police pension records dated 18/4/1904 detail his current address as being, ''1 Victoria Terrace, Barlby Road, Selby.'' It also confirms that this is the address he intends to reside at on leaving the Metropolitan Police. It also confirms that his pension is to be paid into the, ''Selby Post Office.'' Therefore we can evidence with the various records that he was on special duties at the War Dept. Station Selby, in Yorkshire from at least 1901 to 1904 and probably for a much longer period than that. In the England Census of 1911, we find that William Ind and his family ae residing at , '3 New Street, in Selby, in Yorkshire.'' William Ind is now employed as a, ''cycle dealer.'' Here are some general details on PC William Ind. William Ind was born in Wootton Bassett, in Wiltshire, on the 14/6/1858. Joined the Metropolitan Police 14/4/1879 - PC - 'A' or Whitehall division. Warrant number 63496. Served also in 'H' or Whitechapel divn. 'L' or Lambeth divn. 'B' or Chelsea division. Transferred to the Commissioner's Office 14/1/1893 and remained there until he retired on pension in 1904. Question why would a Metropolitan Police Constable be employed to work in Selby, in Yorkshire and why would the Metropolitan Police pay for such an arrangement? What could be so important or secret or valuable that it warrants this deployment from the Metropolitan Police? What makes the War Dept. Office in Selby unique, as I have never heard of such an unusual arrangement being done before by the Metropolitan Police. This deployment also continued for years so what was so vital and important in the Selby area. Hopefully somebody can help with information or suggestions. Many thanks Alan.
  22. Hello everybody, I have just been given an article which I think competes the story for PC William Ind and his Special Duties in Selby. I would not know where to start in transferring this article onto this site so I shall just write out the article..... The Beverley Echo. [Tuesday, November 21, 1893.] Local News. The Powder Magazine at Selby, - The Royal Scots Lothian Regiment will not in future furnish the guard to the North-Eastern Military District Powder Magazine, near Selby. The duty will, it is said, now be undertaken by the Metropolitan Police. Obviously, this is an official statement but all the preparations would have already been taken to ensure a safe and orderly handover from the Military to the Metropolitan Police. PC William Ind started his attachment to Special Duties with the Commissioner's Office on the 14/1/1893. The preparation would have commenced many months before the official handover deadline. Therefore he was one of a very small handful of Policemen that now guarded the Magazine. There were other civilians that also worked in the compound because I read an article about an ex-army soldier that worked as a clerk at the Powder Magazine etc. Alan.
  23. Hi, I would suspect that the 'Ind family' from Wiltshire and Gloucestershire are connected somewhere but my initial searches did not find that connection. PC William Ind's father George Ind [1817-1884] had a sister 'Lucy Ann Ind,' who died on the 26/10/1861 in Avening, in Gloucestershire but that's the nearest I got. I could have easily missed something. Anyway that is the results so far. Alan.
  24. Many thanks Deelibod, I will definitely check it out and as you say the name 'Ind' is quite unusual. Your information is especially helpful because I come from the Scottish Borders so I would never have known the two area's are only about 40 miles apart. many thanks and I will post any relevant information I may find. Alan.
  25. Hi Nick, I am not really sure...….. Queen Victoria's full title would have been something like, ''Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and Empress of India.' 'Victoria Regina' must be the agreed summary of that...... for adding to smaller items such as medals and coins etc but I don't really know. Alan.