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  1. Dear Gentlemen, As I continue relentlessly my research and speculations on the "9 dots" sub-emission or whatever it is, please find attached a photo of a 2 class badge. Now we're missing, I believe, only a first class star example and we'll have the entire 9 dots series. As you can see, the 9 dots are here, as well as the radial, sun-like red enamel in the center medallion. The green enamel is darker. However the lion is not like the small lion in the other 9 dots examples we have, but he's neither like in the classic 7 dots. I'd say something in between. The crown is a typical 7 dots one. Perhaps we're speaking of the same manufacturer and here we have a piece he made for the "mainstream" emission wether the other examples were privately made pieces. Any thoughts? Best, Vazov
  2. Hi Gentlemen, Thanks to both of you for the extensive survey. In my modest opinion, the main common details here are three: - the big Lilly; - the particular lion; - the particular and very well finished monogram of Prince Alexander I; I know that you don't share my view that here we have a completely separate emission, but the multiple variations (sign of different manufacturers) speaks exactly of this. Furthermore, I managed to find a photo of another piece of this emission, a First Class breast star (I was sure it exists): This means that we already have found photos of the following: - 4 grade 2 class; - a star 4 grade 1 class like without years on it, just 7 dots; - 3 grade 2 class; - 1 grade badge + star; Or is it just variations of late Battenberg/ early Ferdinand emission? What do you think? Regarding the supposed 1915 emission of a 4 grade 2 class with big Lilly, here's a photo from Denkov's book. Perhaps it was ordered to the same manufacturer that made the 7 dots pieces. I personally never saw such a piece or a photo of it outside the books, have anyone did? Best regards, Vazov
  3. Hi Ilieff, Thanks for the clarification about the 2 grade. Didn't know that. As much as I'd love it to be the first highest grade Battenberg box that we see, I think it's more of an optical illusion. When I look at it it seems to me that the high grade badge above will not fit in, weather the 3 grade on the left will fit and there'll be some free space on the sides, as it is with the normal cases. But it's simply my opinion, you're the expert in the area. For the Lilly badges, I've spotted as well this difference and cannot find explaination. The swords are also different. As well the enamel of the order on the emedals' site is bizarre. I've discussed that point with Graf and personally I have doubts that this is a restauration.... Best, Vazov
  4. Hello, Thanks for the information! With the Ilieff's eye for the graphical details and new world's experience, I believe the matter is quite resolved. I personally have doubts as well for the regency emission of the order. Due to the historical context, I'm not sure that during those turbulent times a doctors sub category was ordered. Perhaps we can have more certainty about the complete emissions of all grades of the order, i.e. 7 dots and 1915. Graf, what do you think? However, do you think that such a conversion can be so masterfully made that no trace of cutting the swords remains? Best, Vazov
  5. Hi Graf, Thanks for the clarifications! I'd like to take the opportunity to restate a question of yours that interests me as well. Have anyone seen a "doctors" cross from the 1941 emission? Personally I've seen it only in the books. If someone have other photos, from a museum, auction and so on, please post them. Many thanks, Vazov
  6. Hi Ilieff, Indeed a very interesting matter. In my modest opinion this is simply the emission previous to the standard 7 dots one. The small number may be easily explicable with the smaller number of persons to reword before the Balkan wars (the serbo-Bulgarian war was a very short one and there was only a handfull of officers in the young Bulgarian army). As well we often forgot the fact that the farest we go back in time, the highest the number of pieces that are lost or destroyed. The difference between these "big lilly" crosses and the later classic 7 dots emission is a considerable one. As is the resemblance between the classic 7 dots orders of 4 and 3 grade that obviously come from the same emission. The fact that some of the orders have their edges notched and some have free standing swords is not that significant detail I think. We know that the same thing exists with the swords in the 1915 and 1941 emission, for example there are pieces of the 1915 3 grade 2 class with "fat crown" with or without free standing swords. As to the 1915 big lilly 4 grade order, I admit that I've never seen one besides in the books and it is hard to explain its presence in the 1915 emissions. Does anyone have a photo not extracted from a book? It'd be very interesting to see one. Best Vazov
  7. Hi Graf, The collection exposed in Sweden is truly magnificent and very beautifully exposed! Do you have any more detailed photos? What I find especially curious is the box and the 2nd grade badge near the king Boris photo. I assume it's a "three dots" one. I spotted two things: 1. I believed that there are only 4 grade 2 class and 1 grade orders from this emission. One could say that the 1 grade badge without the star becomes a 2 grade, which leads me to, 2. The case: it is a 2 grade case I think, which unconditionally means that this "three dots" emission also have a 2 grade! Also, the case itself is more like Ferdinand then Boris one. It will be very unfortunate if we cannot find more photos.... Best, Vazov
  8. Hi 922F, I think that what we see is not a 1 grade but a 3 grade 1 class of republican emission (fake or real). Best, Vazov
  9. Hi jaeger7, Your suggestion is indeed quite logical. However, I've seen Bulgarian reward documents issued in German. Perhaps indeed if a document in German wasn't available, the German headquarters issued such sertificate as you suggest. Best, Vazov
  10. Hi new world, I wonder if this is a fake or a low quality republican emission of the order. We know that during the second phase of WWII they've started to produce the bravery orders locally and their quality have significantly fallen. What do you think? Best, Vazov
  11. Hi Graf, Great discovery indeed! What I find very curious is that the German headquarters' stamp. Bulgarian orders have been largely rewarded to German officers as the practice is between allies, but I believed it is only the Bulgarian headquarters that could reword and issue a certificate. I wonder why the German headquarter will reward a German officer with Bulgarian order. Curious to know... The order is boxed and very beautiful! Congrats! Best, Vazov
  12. Hi Ilieff, Many thanks for this great analysis ! I find especially impressive and perfectly logical the last part regarding the need of bravery orders after the Serbo-Bulgarian war and the suspended relations with Russia. This demostrates that we should be focused on the historical conjuncture as well, when developing our suggestions about the orders and putting them in the right context. Meanwhile I have continued our research and found another early piece that differs from the "mainstream" examples. Apparently it was sold some years ago by a Bulgarian dealer that seems no longer be involved, but sold an extraordinary quantity of orders, amongst which a lot of rare pieces (as visible on his site). This given piece has a "thick crown" like the Battenberg 3rd grades or the 3 grade from 1915 with И on the reverse. Personally, I've never seen such crown on a 2 or 1 grade badge. There are also differences in the central medallion. As you can see, the sellers' site claims it was reworded during a visit of the Russian emperor in 1902 and a memorial opening. The information is not correct. There is an opening on the occasion of an anniversary of the war, but of a church and not a memorial. Besides the Russian emperor is not attending, but his officials are sent on his behalf. Are these mismatches in the context compromising as well the information about the order, I don't know. But it's a very interesting early piece. Have anyone seen it before? Do we have some additional information? Best, Vazov
  13. Hi Graf & Ilieff, You are perfectly right. I think that together, we have "discovered" a sub-emission of the following pieces, which are obviously different from the others. It'd be curious to understand if they are late Battenberg or early Ferdinand ones. By the way, I am looking for this 4 grade for my collection, which unfortunately I missed once because I was too slow, so if someone come across it, please let me know! Best, Vazov
  14. Hi Graf, Interesting theory about the fat crown. It is difficult to be sure tough, as there are multiple type of crowns, used for it, which differs from one another, as the orders themselfs. Perhaps it is due to the different manifacturer (Russian or Austrian)? Sorry for the bad quality, I took the picture in the museum and the light is not OK. What I find as well really interesting is the last one to the right: it is exactly like a 7 dots emission, the only difference is the golden circle.... Actually, do someone knows a little more about those early "Battenberg" 3rd class emissions? And another unique piece that I found the picture of in Google. Don't even know where it comes from but I haven't seen it in the books. It's exactly like the "big lilly" 4 grade but it's 3rd. Don't know if soimeone have seen it or have some info about it.... Best regards, Vazov
  15. Hello, I'd like to make a modest contribution to the topic with the two variants of the 4 grade 1 class 1915-1917 I have in my collection. Best regards, Vazov