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  1. Who are these then? I assume something different again and not to be confused with the 4th Polizei Division?
  2. Comes into circulation today.....................
  3. Found this book as well (again very expensive), but would appear to hold the key.....................
  4. To any experts on the subject who my be viewing my thread and pulling their hair out, please forgive my ignorance, but I believe that there was something also again called the Polizei Panzer Company and not to be confused with the 4th. They appear to have been along the same lines of the 4th i.e formed from en from Ordnungspolizei. They do appear to have been involved in combat as well as normal policing duties, but they also appear to have had heavier tanks, than their SS counterparts? No Tigers or Panthers granted (that I can find), but certainly captured Russian armour.
  5. Found these, which I assume to be early war uniform examples?
  6. Thanks again Spasm, such an interesting subject, what a shame there is virtually no books about them!!
  7. Looking a little more closely at it, I'm not sure just how authentic it is? Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the anti-partisan badge was never issued to anyone, other than the one Himmler awarded to himself for some reason. That being said what badges would the 4th have qualified for? Would they have qualified for the Kuban shoulder shield?
  8. Thanks Steve. No, just something I stumbled across whilst surfing the internet for more information on this unit.
  9. Thanks Steve!! Re number 1, sorry I meant the metal breast badge as apposed to the medal ribbon.
  10. Can anyone identify the numbered badges for me? I suspect that the Polizei Division (per say), ceased to exist in it's original form (i.e made up of Ordnungspolizei ), in August 1941, where the division saw action near Luga. During heavy fighting for the Luga bridgehead the division lost over 2,000 soldiers including the commander, Arthur Mülverstadt. Has anyone got any information on the Division involvement in this battle?
  11. Panzerspähwagen of the Polizei Division.
  12. Thanks again Spasm, Found this...... SS leader Heinrich Himmler had in 1936 the power of the German police and in October 1939 he transferred 15,000 from Ordnungspolizei to form a military division. The new police division was used in the fall and winter of 1939 for occupation duties in the newly conquered Poland . In February 1940 intensified military training, but compared to the other military SS troops at this time was the police division is not of the same caliber. Its soldiers were older, less trained and less ideologically inspired. In addition, the division is equipped with older and captured weapons. Would be interesting to know how many of the original Ordnungspolizei survived with the division during the entire war? I assume that casualty replacements would have been obtained from the general manpower reserves of Germany as apposed to a continual pool of Ordnungspolizei? Especially when you consider their loses on 27th June 1941(The division lost 2 000 men in the bloody frontal assault).
  13. Thanks Steve, that's very interesting!!!! With regards to... SS Polizei Panzer Battalion 4 (formed from SS Polizei Assault Gun Battalion 4 in July 1944) SS Polizei Armoured Recon Battalion 4 I assume the Panzer Battalion would have had STUG's and the like and the Recon would have had the Panzer IV and that sort of thing. Am I right in thinking that they wouldn't have had Tiger's and Panther's?
  14. There seems to be very little reading material on this division and that, that is available, costs a fortune, certainly more than I'd ever consider paying for a book!!!!
  15. The only pictures I can find are from the Russian front and feature captured Soviet armour (BT7 & T26C. I'm aware that at the start of the war they were issued with captured Czech equipment, don't know whether this included armour. Did they have any armour of their own (German)?