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Everything posted by bigjarofwasps

  1. Nice group!!! Nice price as well mind ....
  2. What a cracking group!!!!!! This group is a particular favourite of mine. No idea whether it still exists, but the fact that it did at one time, I think is brilliant.
  3. Have you by chance got the son's medals or know what he was entitled to? I'm looking to try and ascertain medal groups to bobbies that had the 1911 coronation medal and the WW2 defence medal (for police service). Particularly pairs like Percy may have had, whereby he had unbroken police service from being awarded the 1911 medal and being awarded the defence medal.
  4. The more I look into this the more I'm inclined to agree with you Paul. I think there's more chance of a bobby having the 1911 medal and a WW2 defence medal, than a Crimea & 1887 medal.
  5. Would be interesting if such a group could be identified. I was thinking perhaps of a chap who was a drummer boy aged 15 or so, leaves the army aged 20 or so in 1860, 27 years later (he's still only in his late 40's) gets the 1887 medal?
  6. Has anyone got a photograph of a H Division helmet plate that they could share with me? I've scoured the internet and can seem to find an example from every division, except H!!!
  7. That I suppose would mean designing & minting an entirely new medal, I can't see them doing that, although it is an interesting concept. But I assume just changing the ranking would be pretty straight forward?
  8. Paul, duly noted. HOWEVER how many of these other locations have an act of parliament which makes it law to have things bilingually? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Language_Act_1993
  9. I was researching something else when I cam across this.. I'm curious to know whether the medal would be awarded to Capt Gold RAMC or just Mark Gold? As I'm assuming he was home of leave at the time (and off duty?) Assuming it's named to Capt Gold RAMC would the same be true if he'd been a Constable or Firefighter who was off duty?
  10. Just out of interest how easy is it to research City of London Police Officers, who were awarded the 1887 & 1897 Jubilee Medals?
  11. The names of the officers in the photo have been written on the back of the photo, at some point. *** denote were the print was so worn it can't be made out. italics denote were the text was very poor condition and I've made an educated guess as to what I think it could be. Sadly some of officers we'll never know what their names are (from this source anyway) as the text is totally worn out. Back Row Left to Right PC A H WILLIAMS PC David THOMAS PC Griffith WILLIAMS PC Morgan DAVIES PC Jesse ROBERTS PS Grigg DAVIES Insp O C Davies Second Row Left to Right PS David ROBERTS Insp W D WILLIAMS ***** JONES PC Maybury MO***** (MORRIS) Insp D L DAVIES PC Owen JONES PC John JONES ** R D ROBERTS *** J J GRIFFITHS ** E ******** Front Row Left to Right PC J M JONES PC Morgan JONES PS J MORGAN JONES SUPT D T ********* Chief Constable Richard JONES SUPT J F EVANS PS J BERNARD PS John LLOYD PC Evan DAVIES
  12. This medal and accompanying letter sold recently on Ebay for £82.39. Bit pricey I thought, but there can't be many examples of the letter in existence?
  13. Am curious to know if a US service person, was awarded a British medal (say a Military Cross), what would the order of wear be? Would it be worn before US campaign medals but after US gallantry medals or worn after all US medals?
  14. Gallantry Awards naming....?

    Interesting. So by that rational would an off duty police constable's George Medal be named to PC **** Met Police?
  15. Ladies/Gents, Can anyone confirm for me which numbered Divisions equate to which area? I believe that the numbered Divisions are related to the various London docks, but which is which?
  16. Thanks Dave, that's really interesting & sad at the same time. Especially with regards to PC Rowlands. I'd be interested to know more about the incident, where did it occur. With the subsequent amalgamations does this mean that NWP can claim his George Medal? I seem to recall seeing a KPM (gallantry) in a display case in Wrexham station years ago. Not sure whose it was or what the circumstances of it where either? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/arthur-rowlands-policeman-who-was-awarded-the-george-medal-8468693.html This newspaper report suggests that "He and the three colleagues who arrested his assailant were awarded the George Medal." Are the other two Officers known? Here's a photograph of the names on the rear of this picture. You can just make out a few of the names, some of them are really difficult to make out when your looking at it directly. But I'll try and copy them out, from the original when I get a minute.
  17. Cheers Tom makes perfect sense now!!!! Can you or anyone else answer my other question? "Due to the fact that these Divisions came under Metropolitan Police, is the research potential for their officers the same for them as regards, service papers, etc. Where all the officers trained in London and then posted to these divisions or where they trained locally"?
  18. Thanks Dave, that is very interesting. Curious how the docks within the Met area weren't covered by the Met but ones as a far a field as Wales were?
  19. Due to the fact that these Divisions came under Metropolitan Police, is the research potential for their officers the same for them as regards, service papers, etc. Where all the officers trained in London and then posted to these divisions or where they trained locally. Why did the East End docks not have their own number force?
  20. Has anyone got any experience of researching officers disciplinary offences, who could offer me some advice? What type of information would be contained, if I can find his entry? The officer in question is PC William Arthur WHIFFEN - Disciplinary Offence as 250H in Jan 1900 while he was serving in H Div.
  21. Many thanks Odin, that all makes very interesting reading and I know we should condone such outrageous behaviour but it did bring a smile to my face. Of course the next question is were can I find the relevant police orders? Will this require a visit to Kew? Anyone going to Kew?
  22. Many thanks Odin. Am I understanding this correctly then that the 1918 strike resulted in no sackings (but if there was, the men were reinstated?). It was the "Dessent" chaps of 1919 that all got sacked and never served again? Interestingly I have come across several examples of medals to sacked chaps recently don't know if that's just been my good fortune or if they appear regularly. I assume the N division one command a premium?
  23. I hope so, I'll keep the thread updated with any developments.
  24. Metropolitan Police. Is there a list of officers that went on strike, but weren't sacked? (in 1918 & 1919). I have a trio to an officer who didn't retire until October 1919, I'd be curious to know if he striked or not, being so close to drawing his pension. He was in S Division at the time, in Chistlehurst. Which division(s) had the most sacked officers? I wonder how many officers striked in 1918 but were not sacked , but where then sacked for striking again in 1919.