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  1. No problem, sorry I couldn't tell you any more. However, this might be of interest.............. https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18760529-375&div=t18760529-375&terms=William Piper#highlight Case refers to a WILLIAM PIPER (Policeman E 243), which I suspect is your chap........
  2. He appears to have joined before 1879.
  3. Couldn't find Sgt West so he must have joined before 1879. Const Henry Richards warrant number 68514, joined on the 06.08.1883 and retired on the 23.10.1907, having spent his entire service in A Division. Might be worth putting their names into the Old Bailey website, you might turn something up there......
  4. Alan, I couldn't agree more. Have PM'd you. Regards, Gordon.
  5. Ladies/Gents, I would very much like to hear other forum users views on the below two medals which sold yesterday on Ebay. The 1911 example, not an exuberant amount (£45) I'm sure you'll agree? But the 1887/97 example £310 is very concerning!! Am I missing something here? PC Saundery appears to have had an unremarkable career, spent in Y Division from 1887 to 1912, he never gave evidence at the Old Bailey (that I can find). So what is it about him that has demanded this premium and why didn't his 1911 medal command the same? You will note that the listing gives another name, but has been corrected in the item details. Even if if had been the medal to PS Elsworth again nothing overly exciting about this man he served his career in Westham and have evidence at the Old Bailey twice (nothing exciting). Interestingly his medal sold recently on Ebay as well and didn't command this high price? So Ladies & Gents, what is it I've missed or can I expect to start paying this much for 1887/97 medals from now on?
  6. Hi Alan, Welcome to the forum, VERY enligtening first thread!!! A classic example of why medals don't need to be named to H Division to have a H Division connection. I have several in my collection that fall into this catagory, but unfortunatley for me, there were all too early it have a "Ripper" connection, tenuous as that might have been. The nearest I've got is a J Division chap, he joined just before Jack and was st Bethnal Green Station most of his career, certainly during and long after Jack. It should be noted that the 42 officers were deployed for plain clothes duties, there were loads (several hundred I understand) that where posted there for uniform patrols, during the "Ripper" period. Sadly these are not as well documented, but if you happened across one documented in police orders, you'd have struck gold, I would think. What I always find interesting is the fact that so many officers H Division or otherwise were in Whitechapel at the time, yet so few of them have a documented "Ripper" connection. Although I'm sure they all have a tale to tell. Re the auction itself, I agree. This coupled with the fact that the seller clearly didn't know what he had. The most expensive H Division medal I've seen sell was a 1887 example, that went for £500 on Ebay, again no "Ripper" connection at all other than he was in H Division at the right time. MADNESS in my opinion. I'd liken it to any 1st July 1916 medal, they always demand a high premium to, I remember seeing one once on a dealers list, with a silly price. On closer examination, the chaps Regiment wasn't even involved in the Somme attack, he'd just been killed on the 1st of July, on a completely different part of the line, caveat emptor!!!!
  7. I agree Simon on both counts!! No doubt he'd have had some tales to tell about being dragged from the comforts of T Division to hunt the Ripper in Whitechapel, but these have long since been lost . At most I fear he'd only have been there a couple of months, he certainly isn't named as taking an active part in the case and if it wasn't for one entry in police orders no one would have ever known (certainly no further scope for research that I can see, unless your prepared to trawl through the police courts reports hoping to turn something up). I wonder how much PC LONG's 1887 medal for instance would fetch if that ever came on the market, I dread to think!!!!!!!
  8. CASE CLOSED - It appears that I have missed the tenuous "Ripper" connection. https://www.casebook.org/dissertations/h-division-personnel.html?printer=true But if I'm honest I wouldn't have paid £310 based purely on him being posted to Whitechapel in October 1888. If he'd have had some sort of documented roll in the case then fair enough. On the other hand the 1911 medal would have been a bargain, which I will kick myself for in due course!! On a plus note at least 1887/97 Jubilee Medals aren't suddenly demanding high prices, for that at least we can breath a sign of relief !!!
  9. This is the bidding history, there seems to have been a frenzy between 3 bidders in the last couple of seconds, I really can't understand it?
  10. Since starting this thread, I have come aware that Thomas ARNOLD of H Division fame was a veteran of the Crimean War.. He joined B Division on 19 March 1855 and resigned on 20 September 1855 to fight in the Crimean War. At the end of hostilities he rejoined the Police on 29 September 1856, being attached to K Division. So he certainly would have had both medals. Would be interesting to know which clasps he qualified for and what if any previous military service he had?
  11. Ladies/Gents, Just out of interest does anyone know whether such a medal group exists?
  12. Stumbled across this, thought it might be of interest..... Man Discovers $2.4 Million in Gold in Ex-Army Tank...A tank collector in the United Kingdom was in for a surprise when he and his mechanic opened one of his tank's diesel fuel tanks. Inside were gold bars totaling approximately $2.4 million dollars. The tank came into possession of Nick Mead, a tank collector and owner of Tanks Alot, a company that offers tanks and other armored vehicles for driving classes, private events, and television and film appearances. Mead found the tank, an ex-Iraqi Army Type 69, on sale on eBay and traded it for an Abbot self-propelled howitzer and a British Army truck. Mead and his mechanic, Todd Chamberlain, were filming the opening of the fuel tank because they had already found machine gun ammunition in the armored vehicle and wanted video proof in case more ammunition was found. They pulled out five gold bars weighing about twelve pounds worth an estimated $2.4 million. The gold was handed over to authorities, and Mead has placed a receipt for the bars of bullion in a safe deposit box. http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a26009/man-discovers-gold-in-ex-army-tank/
  13. I would assume Kilburn itself as Divisional Headquarters, as I imagine that would have been where Olive was stationed. Being the senior officer, I assume that the other officers would have come to him for the picture as apposed to him going to another station?
  14. Hi, Can anyone tell me when Supt Olive was at X Div? Judging by his photo, I think it must have been early last century, can anyone shine any light on this for me. Also included in the photo are various Chief Insps and Insps.... Sygrove Collison Whittle Ball Dingle Douglas Baxter Reid Taylor Macer Ricketts Perry Instance Dauncey Sellors Cosgrove Morgan Barrett Parker Lvie Richards. All have at least two medals each. They are all wearing peaked caps, two of them are in civvies, which look late Victorian to Pre-WW1 style. If anyone has any thoughts I`d very much like to hear from you. Gordon.
  15. Despite what you might see on Facebook or up for auction on Ebay. Pound coins dated 2016 are NOT rare or worth thousands!!!!!!! Simply the Royal Mint started producing them last year ready for release, hence the 2016 date. I further fear that all this hype about flawed examples, will prove to be nothing exciting in the coin collecting world either. By all means sit on any examples you may have, as who knows, but don't rush out and spending your hard earned cash to buy everyone you find on Ebay, under the delusion that they'll be an investment.
  16. http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/1-coin-your-pocket-not-12389749
  17. Cracked, warped and missing middles: thousands of new £1 coins 'have major production flaws' http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/03/thousands-new-1-coins-have-major-flaws/
  18. I've heard talk of a new GSM `08, which is supposed to run along side the OSM. It appears bars for the new GSM have already been authorised and yet I can find no information or pictures about this new medal on the internet (other than a New Zealand one). Has anyone else heard of this or is my information incorrect?
  19. Ladies/Gents, Has anyone got an interest in this unit? Can you tell me what if, any tanks the unit used? Where these tanks part of this division, or did they just support tanks from another division?
  20. Who are these then? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4th_SS_Police_Regiment I assume something different again and not to be confused with the 4th Polizei Division?
  21. Comes into circulation today.....................
  22. Found this book as well (again very expensive), but would appear to hold the key.....................
  23. To any experts on the subject who my be viewing my thread and pulling their hair out, please forgive my ignorance, but I believe that there was something also again called the Polizei Panzer Company and not to be confused with the 4th. They appear to have been along the same lines of the 4th i.e formed from en from Ordnungspolizei. They do appear to have been involved in combat as well as normal policing duties, but they also appear to have had heavier tanks, than their SS counterparts? No Tigers or Panthers granted (that I can find), but certainly captured Russian armour. http://beutepanzer.ru/Beutepanzer/su/t-34/t-34hex/police.htm
  24. Found these, which I assume to be early war uniform examples?
  25. Thanks again Spasm, such an interesting subject, what a shame there is virtually no books about them!!