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  1. Thought it might be interesting to see what the oldest nick forum members have ever been based at? Wonder what the oldest nick in the country is? Here's my humble contribution, 1891. Inside it's been completely refurnished, but the exercise yard still remains intake.
  2. In all seriousness, I think my humble contribution, might in fact be a real contender for the oldest still operational nick in the UK? Unless anyone can out trump me?
  3. Leigh, Found this, thought it might be of interest? https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results/1900-01-01/1913-12-31?basicsearch=constable 225g newstead&exactsearch=true&place=london%2c london%2c england&retrievecountrycounts=false&mostspecificlocation=london%2c london%2c england&newspapertitle=islington gazette&sortorder=score Gordon.
  4. Police Constable Kenneth Arthur Strange British Transport Police Kenneth was born on the 15th March 1919, in Manchester. He enlisted in the Grenadier Guards as 3532597 on the 16th October 1939, aged 20 years 168 days. Was 5` 10? tall, with grey eyes and brown hair. He was posted to the 1st Battalion, and served with them as a driver (wheeled) through out the war. From what I can gather, as he never spoke about the war, he appears to have served most of the early part of the war in Britain, he certainly was in the country on the 15th November 1941, as he married Ena on this day. I do know that he was definitely present with the Battalion during Operation Market Garden, and I assume he remained on active service till the end of the war. He left the army on the 27th May 1946. His character described as exemplary. He is entitled to the 1939 Star, France and Germany Star, Defence Medal, War Medal and Police Long Service and Good Conduct Medal. Kenneth joined the Police, on the 8th July 1946, aged 27. His collar number was 779, but appears to have been changed later to 413. His height is given as 5`10 ??. Medical class A. During his career he attended several courses, including a 2 day Civil Defence Course in November 1953. He also attended the Police Training School, at Tadworth between 2nd March and 29th March 1952. Kenneth served at the following stations, Manchester Victoria 8th July till 25th November 1946. Manchester Central 25th November 1946 till 7th May 1951. Manchester Victoria 7th May 51 till 21st March 52. Manchester Central 21st March 52 till 5th October 53. Deansgate 5th October 53 till 5th March 54. Manchester Central 5th March 54 till 16th Feb 58. London Road 16th Feb 58 till 16th Oct 60. Ancoats Goods 16th Oct 60 till 10th Dec 61. Manchester Central 10th Dec 61 till 1st Sept 1973. His start salary was ?620 in 1946 and when he left in 1973 he was earning ?2196. Kenneth was awarded the Long Service and Good Conduct Medal in Dec 1968. He retired on the 23rd May 1974, age 55.
  5. Was surprised to learn (according to Google, anyway) that, the oldest operational police station in London is in Wapping, which opened in 1908!
  6. I recently bought a WW2 Defence Medal and Police LSGC to a PC Sidney Albert William LAMBERT J Division. These medals weren't part of my normal collecting sphere, but because of the reasonable price I could pick them up for and the fact that PC LAMBERT had also served in H Division in the 1930's I thought I'd add them to my collection. During his service he was with J Division twice, I had originally hoped that perhaps I could find some evidence that connected him to Bethnal Green itself during WW2, as I was aware that this area of London was heavily effected during the Blitz. It turns out that PC LAMBERT was living in Chingford in 1939, so I strongly suspect that he was stationed there as well, Chingford also being on J Division. Chingford as it happens was also heavily bombed during the Blitz. http://bombsight.org/explore/greater-london/waltham-forest/chingford-green/ PC LAMBERT's service papers reveal the following.............. Born Bermondsey 22.05.1908 Height 5` 11" Trade Warehouseman Marital status Single, Married & then Widower wife died 29.09.1946 Warrant number 119684 Joined J Division (Bethnal Green) 22.04.1930 Posted H Division (Whitechapel) 01.06.1933 Posted K Division (Bow) 04.04.1938 Posted J Division (Bethnal Green) 13.03.1939 collar number 348 1939 census states living in Chingford with his wife Rose They had a child together in 1943 Awarded LSGC medal 15.08.1952 Retired aged 46 25.04.1955 having served 25 years and 3 days Died 22.10.1982 What I learned next was something that I'd never heard of all had any knowledge of, the Battle of Cable Street Whitechapel... On the 4th October, in 1936 large crowds of people gathered in London’s East End, an area of the city that had a large Jewish population, in an attempt to stop a march through the area by the British Union of Fascists (BUF). The protests turned into a riot with anti-fascist demonstrators clashing with Police, large numbers of demonstrators were arrested and even larger numbers of them (and Police) were injured. But they did manage to prevent the march from taking place. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cable_Street As it stands now it's a work in progress and I'm still working on ascertaining any hard evidence that LAMBERT was present/involved in this incident, although the fact that 6000 officers from all over London were present, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that an officer stationed directly Whitechapel would have been present. 150 arrests were made and scores of people were injured. That being said, if anyone has an interest or any knowledge of this incident, I would very much like to hear from you.
  7. Have another medal, to a chap who might have been present during Sidney Street as well. Have a look at the link would be interested to hear your views....
  8. Have recently been lucky enough to add these medals to my collection. My initial interest in the medal group was the fact that there were two LSGC's awarded to the same person I had not come across this before. There wasn't very much information in the right up, so I decided to contact the seller to see if they could shine any more light on the medals. The story that unfolded was very interesting to say the least, so I thought I'd share it on the forum. The medal group consists of, 2002 Golden Jubilee Medal 2012 Diamond Jubilee Medal Police Long Service & Good Conduct Medal to Insp Adam HIBBERT Police Long Service & Good Conduct Medal to Ch Insp Adam HIBBERT It appears he was awarded two LSGC's due to an administrative error. Adam HIBBERT joined the Sussex Police in September 1987 and retired in September 2018. This being the first time the medals have been on the open market. Bought from the man himself!! He certainly had a very interesting 30 year career with Sussex Police and was head of their homicide department. He oversaw the investigation of over 30 murders and was headline news on more than one occasion. He was also involved in several other interesting cases and was also given an award for bravery. There is certainly no shortage of news coverage of the cases he was involved in, I am attempting to identify them all and put them in order. This however will be a lengthy process which will have to be done over several posts. We start in July 2004 with a pub stabbing outside the Crown Pub Carfax... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/3903157.stm September 2004 body of a 73 year old female found by dog walkers in Hove... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/3661556.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/3665754.stm November 2004, missing 66 year old male maybe murder............. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4055379.stm December 2004 investigation into missing 66 year old man, leads to inquires in France..... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4106115.stm January 2005 a murder hunt begins after a body is found in a park Crawley... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/4160665.stm
  9. Officer honoured for his clifftop heroism A heroic detective is to be honoured for his bravery after saving the life of a motorist who tried to drive over a cliff. Detective Chief Inspector Adam Hibbert, 37, opened the car door and grabbed the ignition keys as the vehicle neared the 150ft drop at Telscombe Cliffs, east of Brighton. He held on to the driver until other officers and firefighters came to his aid. Police officers had been negotiating with the man for almost two hours when Mr Hibbert arrived. The man had twice tried to drive through a fence and was about to try again when police made a dash to stop him. Temporary Sergeant James Bowen tried to smash the windscreen with his baton before Mr Hibbert made his move. Mr Hibbert realised the van was unlocked and as the man attempted to drive over the edge he grabbed the door handle and forced his way into the van despite the man's attempts to stop him. He threw himself at the driver to break his grip on the wheel and pulled the keys from the ignition. Mr Hibbert struggled with the man before he was able to take the van out of gear and put the handbrake on. He restrained the man until assistance arrived. Mr Hibbert, who has 15 years of service, said: "I was shaking a bit when I thought about what could have happened. "The consequences don't bear thinking about. "Looking back, it was very frightening. "Not only did we want to save the life of this man, who was clearly distressed, but we had to think about the risks to ourselves. "If the fence had given way at any point, he would undoubtedly have killed himself. "James and I literally had milliseconds to think about what to do. "James tried to smash the windscreen with his baton but it just wouldn't break. "Then I noticed the locks were up so I just went for it and pulled the door open. "I know it sounds a cliche but you don't think about the danger. You just get on and do the job." The man, in his mid 30s, was detained under the Mental Health Act and taken to Brighton police station for his own safety following his rescue last November. Mr Hibbert will be visiting 10 Downing Street next Thursday before attending the 10th annual Police Federation Awards at London's Dorchester Hotel. Home Secretary Charles Clarke will honour officers, from 43 forces in England and Wales, for going above and beyond the call of duty. Brian Stockham, chairman of the Police Federation's Sussex branch, said: "Apart from the courage required in this incident, Adam's actions were an example of inspired and inspiring leadership. "Usually - and on an almost daily basis - our officers are expected to perform such acts and most often it is our constables and sergeants who are recognised for doing so. "As well as personal courage, officers rely on years of training and experience to do these things in the finest traditions of the police service and to do them right as Adam did." Mr Hibbert has had a mixed week - his house was burgled while he and his wife were out. He said: "They turned the place upside down and stole electrical equipment, a stereo and clothes. "I went to have a shave yesterday and found they'd even taken my razor." https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/6702846.amp/
  10. THE MURDER MANUAL – AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE INVESTIGATION OF MURDER Join senior crime scene officers from Sussex police as they deal with a bloody homicide, creating a crime scene and gathering evidence from statements, surveillance and forensics. See the reality of how they deal with witnesses, the family and the community – especially in that first golden hour, where every second counts if you want to break the case. Presented by crime writer P.D. Viner, you will be led through the murder manual by top police officers. This is not fiction, this is where science is a matter of life and death. Adam Hibbert is a Detective Superintendent, Head of Surrey and Sussex Major Crime Team, has led over 30 homicide investigations. Trevor Bowles spent 5 years as a Senior Investigating Officer, leading 16 homicide investigations http://www.brightonscience.com/events/murder-manual/
  11. Just came across this medal, not seen it before. Thought it might be of interest? http://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Crime_Agency_Long_Service_and_Good_Conduct_Medal Has anyone got one in their collection?
  12. April 2012 Nigerian girls may have been trafficked into the UK.... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-17691957 May 2014 - Chief Inspector jailed for fraud https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/former-surrey-police-chief-inspector-7077323 July 2015 - Murder arrest over West Sussex suspected road rage incident............ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-33571051 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-33562606 June 2016 - Deepcut soldiers death was suicide.......... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-36438786 https://www.itv.com/news/update/2016-06-03/surrey-police-were-sorry-for-inquest-mistakes/ July 2016 Body found in Thames sparks murder investigation... https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/walton-death-community-reacts-after-11682742 https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/walton-death-sees-man-arrested-11683480 https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/walton-murder-probe-man-freed-11685313 June 2017 Shoreham air crash disaster police probe 95% complete........... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-40342625 April 2018 Worthing murder probe after two found dead in house.... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-43754465 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-43774579 https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/13/man-and-woman-found-dead-in-worthing
  13. January 2009 - Man arrested after fatal stabbing...... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/7862459.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/7863896.stm April 2009 - Babes in the wood father arrested..... https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/father-babes-wood-murder-victim-3417690 October 2009 - women's fire death unexplained..... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/8310053.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/8312162.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/8314408.stm January 2010 - Father charged with daughters murder dies in jail.......... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/8438921.stm February 2010 - Ceiling of blood body find leads to man hunt..... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/8493598.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/8499209.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/8506836.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/8500787.stm June 2010 - Brighton man jailed for Andrea Waddell murder........... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10237293 October 2010 Julian Gardener Sussex Farm murder............ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-11513671 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-11861253 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12013262 November 2010 - Brighton prostitute killer sentenced for earlier rape.... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-11810650 June 2011 Two jailed over Seaford Moon of India waiter murder.... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-13735251 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-13719667
  14. February 2008 - Leaflet appeal for missing woman..... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/7259558.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/7263625.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/7283011.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/7322079.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/7298095.stm April 2008 - Meat cleaver pair jailed..... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/7342649.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/7341748.stm May 2008- Husband gulity of roof box murder....... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/7400914.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/7161449.stm October 2008 - Skull and bones found in Hastings wood...... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/7671788.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/7677956.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/7676279.stm https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1078742/Who-used-teenagers-Bebo-profile-months-murdered-dumped-woods.html
  15. November 2005 - Murder hunt for 'chav' daughter.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/4413850.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/4417518.stm March 2006 Serial Killer convicted of murder..... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/4813234.stm http://courtnewsuk.co.uk/daniel-gonzalez/ October 2006 - wife murderer given life...... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/5406692.stm July 2007 - search for father as boy found............. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/6739653.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/6743679.stm July 2007 - Teenagers held over caravan death.............. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/6260096.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/6277908.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/6280448.stm December 2007 - Violent deaths of couple probed............. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/7160034.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/7161449.stm
  16. April 2005 - A woman found dead after a fire in a hostel may have been murdered before the fire started, police believe.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/4483859.stm July 2005 - Bravery award for heroic officer....... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/4684537.stm August 2005 - Policeman arrested over death of son...... https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/aug/20/1 September 2005 - Hunt for missing 14 year old girl....... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/4263494.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/4275488.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/4290562.stm October 2005 - Family joy as missing 14 year old girl found..... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/4376606.stm
  17. Hi, Can anyone tell me when Supt Olive was at X Div? Judging by his photo, I think it must have been early last century, can anyone shine any light on this for me. Also included in the photo are various Chief Insps and Insps.... Sygrove Collison Whittle Ball Dingle Douglas Baxter Reid Taylor Macer Ricketts Perry Instance Dauncey Sellors Cosgrove Morgan Barrett Parker Lvie Richards. All have at least two medals each. They are all wearing peaked caps, two of them are in civvies, which look late Victorian to Pre-WW1 style. If anyone has any thoughts I`d very much like to hear from you. Gordon.
  18. Just out of interest, are James Olive's medals known to exist? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Olive I think I'm right in believing that he's the longest serving police officer, I wonder whether the new changes to the police pension will mean at some point in the next few years he'll be superseded in this title?
  19. Alfred Ernest SCHOLES Born in Derbyshire on the 31st December 1864. Joined Metropolitan Police on the 27th February 1888 - Warrant number 73418 Having completed his training and being posted to D Division, he lodged in a property within Allsopp Mews, in the Marylebone district of London. With two other Constables. At some point possibly as early as the 8th September 1888, following the Anne CHAPMAN murder, SCHOLES was seconded to H Division, to assist in the hunt for Jack the Ripper. He certainly appears to have been on duty in H Division on the night of the 29th/30th September 1888 for the double event murders and states in his memoirs that " he was patroling his beat on Tabbard Street East on the furthest end of his beat on Mile End Road, it was a memorable night there had been a Lord Mayors show, whilst I was on duty Jack the Ripper committed two of his murders in the very street that I was." http://www.gsburroughs.com/ripper-story/ 6th January 1896 PC225D posted to D Division CID. 3rd August 1898 promoted to Sgt 3rd class D Division. 23rd June 1903 promoted to Sgt 2nd class D Division. 21st January 1908 promoted to Sgt 1st class Y Division. 27th June 1910 promoted to Detective Insp Y Division. In 1911 Alfred and his then family of wife and three children were resident at 17, Mark Road, Noel Park, London. Pensioned 14th July 1913 as Detective Inspector Y Division and joins the Port Authority Police at the same rank. Finally retires in 1924 In 1939 he and his wife lived at 55, Whitehall Road, in the Grays area of London. Alfred was then working as a Private Enquiries Agent. It is believed that he died in the Battersea area of London in 1946. Entitled to 1897 Jubilee Medal as PC D Division, 1902 as PS D Division. PC Scholes was just six months into his career with Scotland Yard when he, along with hundreds of other officers, were drafted into the dangerous and dark slums of Whitechapel to hunt for the killer that had been dubbed ‘Jack the Ripper.’ In his memoirs he recalls numerous occasions that he stopped and questioned innocent pedestrians, and led to comparative safety the many ‘fallen’ women who ran into his arms convinced that they had met ‘Jack’ and were next to be slaughtered. It is hard today to imagine the Whitechapel of 1888, with its narrow, unlighted streets, dirty alleys and slum buildings that housed some of London’s most unfortunate and desperate people. It was also a world of multiple races and nationalities all squeezed into a small, heavily populated district. It is also hard to imagine the terror that gripped the people of this poor part of London, and the terror and fear that swept the country as a whole. People genuinely feared for their lives and at the height of the scare, around September and October 1888, the streets of Whitechapel became deserted. Old Bailey pages Famous cases from the book Housebreaking - 8th February 1897 as a Detective in G Division https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18970208-213&div=t18970208-213&terms=Alfred Scholes#highlight Robbery - 25th February 1901 as a Sergeant in D Division https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t19010225-213&div=t19010225-213&terms=Alfred Scholes#highlight Robbery - 25th March 1901 as a Sergeant in D Division https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t19020310-260&div=t19020310-260&terms=Alfred Scholes#highlight Libel - 10th March 1902 as a Sergeant in D Divison https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t19020310-260&div=t19020310-260&terms=Alfred Scholes#highlight Forgery 3rd April 1905 as a Sergeant https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t19050403-301&div=t19050403-301&terms=Alfred Scholes#highlight Theft 11th September 1906 as a Sgt in D Division https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t19060911-99&div=t19060911-99&terms=Alfred Scholes#highlight Fraud 21st October 1910 as a Sgt G Division https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t19100208-35&div=t19100208-35&terms=Alfred Scholes#highlight Forgery 31st May 1910 as a Sgt https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t19100531-21&div=t19100531-21&terms=Alfred Scholes#highlight Murder 28th March 1911 as an Insp https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t19110328-46&div=t19110328-46&terms=Alfred Sholes#highlight Theft 7th November 1911 as an Insp https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t19111107-48&div=t19111107-48&terms=Alfred Scholes#highlight Theft 30th January 1912 as an Insp Y Division https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t19120130-33&div=t19120130-33&terms=Alfred Scholes#highlight Fraud 4th February 1913 as an Insp https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t19130204-32&div=t19130204-32&terms=Albert Scholes#highlight Theft 4th March 1913 as an Insp https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t19130304-65&div=t19130304-65&terms=Alfred Scholes#highlight http://www.gsburroughs.com/current-book/
  20. His 1911 medal is known to exist, but the whereabouts of his 1902 is as yet unknown.
  21. Other than the obvious GV1R & E11R effigy versions, how many different types of Police LSGC are there or is that it? Is there different Latin wording or anything like that?
  22. I think this one might be cupro nickel? I believe they were issued between 1955 and 2000?
  23. Very interesting!! Were these First Police Reserve bobbies entitled to the LSGC? The reason I ask is with potentially double the service (22 years) is there an argument there for a bar to the regular police LSGC. With the new pension changes to modern day bobbies, it's not going to be unusual for bobbies to have 40 & 45 years service!!!!!!