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  1. Thank you Jason your words mean a lot to me! Thank you Sir! Admiration is a big word though I don’t deserve... 😉
  2. Well, actually all this orders were given very likely for his connections with Schaumburg-Lippe rather than real merit (he got also the Treu und Dienste Cross almost in the end of ww1). Strangely enough his SL3 wasn’t upgraded with swords... Furthermore the Siamese (Thai) order was probably given whilst receiving a visit of Siamese officers or Royal family members who participated to some kind of Pionier military maneuvers or workshop pre 1914. So all in all his connections helped boasting his array of decorations on his bar, more than some mere mortal Infantry officer at the front....🤔 I have some beautiful and long bars which belonged to officers that haven’t even reached higher ranks than Major or Oberstleutnant, but they were able to get more exotic orders than even Generals, not to mention front officers! C
  3. Thanks for your kind comments... yes, very interesting indeed that it took 24 years before getting an order! I'd be very nice though, to find Winkelmann's photo wearing his medals...
  4. Dear forumites, I'd like to present to you my latest acquisition: the medalbar (plus EK1 1914) of Oberstleutnant a.D. Wichard. Here are some infos about the orders on the bar and other infos about his career: Preußen Eisernes Kreuz 2. Kl. am Kämpferband 1914 (OEK 1909), E gs/S; Preußen, Hausorden von Hohenzollern, RK mit Schwertern, S&W gepunzt (OEK 1789), S em ; Sachsen Königreich, Albrechtsorden, 2. Modell (1876-1918), RK 1. Kl. mit Schwertern, das Kreuz in Gold S vg Schwertern nachgerüstet (OEK 2209), S/G em; Hessen, Allg. EZ, Ernst Ludwig, Für Tapferkeit (OEK 884), S; Schaumburg-Lippe, Kreuz für treue Dienste 1914 (OEK 1256), Br vg; Hamburg, Hanseatenkreuz (OEK 688), Ku vs em; Bremen, Hanseatenkreuz (OEK 651), Ku vs em; 3. Reich (1933-45), Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer (OEK 3803/1), E br; Preußen, RAO, 4. Modell (1885-1918) 4. Kl. mit Kr.(OEK 1706), S em; Preußen, Offiziers Dienstauszeichnung für 25 Jahre (OEK ); Preußen, DA f. Offiziere 1825, 4. Form ab 1895 (OEK 1970/1), Br vg; Schaumburg-Lippe, Fürstlicher Hausorden, Kreuz 3.Klasse (OEK 1211), G; Siam, Königreich: Der sehr hohe Orden des Weißen Elefanten, 4. Modell, Offizierskreuz (1889-1941). I would really appreciate if someone could give me the exact dates and places of both birth and death of this officer or other filling informations about his career and dates of the medals' bestowal (possible corrections). Thank you a lot in advance for your comments or input on this one. Sincerely, Claudio Wichard Winkelmann wurde mit Patent vom 18.4.1893 zum Leutnant ernannt und war von 1895 bis 1901 im Pionier-Btl. von Rauch (Brandenbg.) Nr. 3 tätig. Über einen kurzen Aufenthalt bei der Artillerie und der Ingenieur-Schule kam er 1902 zur 4. Ing.-Insp., die u.a. für den Fortifikationsdienst in Mainz tätig. Während des Weltkrieges war er Kommandeur des Pionier-Bataillons Nr. 211. 18.04.1883 Leutnant 1895-1901 Pionier-Btl. v.Rauch (Brandenbg.) Nr. 3 1897 k.z. Artillerie und Ingenieur-Schule 15.12.1900 Oberleutnant 1902 4. Ing.-Insp., k.z. Fortifikationsdienst in Mainz 1904/1905 Westfälisches Pion.-Btl. Nr. 7 1906/1911 Hannoversches Pion.-Btl. Nr. 10 27.01.1907 Hauptmann 1912 4. Ing.-Insp., k.z. Fortifikationsdienst in Köln 1913/1914 2. Ing.-Insp., b.Stabe der Festtungsinspektion Im Kriege zwischenzeitlich Kdr des Pion.-Btl. Nr. 21 18.04.1916 Major Erl 1926 Oberstleutnant a.D. (St.O.Pi 157) Orden & Ehrenzeichen : 1. 1897 Zentenarmedaille 2. Okt. 1907 Fürstl. Schaumburg-Lippischer Hausorden 3. Klasse 3. 1907/08 Kgl. Siamesischer Elefantenorden Offizierskreuz 4. 27.01.1909 Kgl. Preuß. RAO 4. Kl. m.d.Krone 5. Ende 1914 EK II 6. Febr. 1915 EK I 7. 09.10.1915 Kgl.Sächs.Albrechtsorden RK 1. Kl. m.Schwertern 8. Okt. 1916 Hamburger Hanseatenkreuz 9. Nov. 1916 Hess.Allg.EZ für Tapferkeit 10. 18.12.1917 Kgl. Preuß.HO von Hohenzollern, RK m.Schwertern 11. Jan. 1918 Bremer Hanseatenkreuz 12. Mai 1918 Schaumburg-Lippisches Kreuz für treue Dienste 1914 13. Dez. 1920 (!) Preuß.Offz.-Dienstauszeichung 14. 1934 Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer
  5. I read "Familie ??? Dölfel ??? im Gunzenhausen Weissenburgerstrasse 44, Mittelfranken"... I noticed that there're still some people by this surname who lives in Gunzenhausen... Claudio
  6. Wow 😲! That was quick.... many many thanks!!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 C Now I see it... kinda strange greetings 😲😉👍🏻 C
  7. Dear forumites! Is it possible to identify this junior officer? It appears to be an Oberleutnant (1 pip/star) of the 12th (Bavarian?) regiment... I can read in German: "schnell schwand die Zeit unseres Zusammenseins aber - sie war schön - ! Zu ??? Kameradschaft, signed Othmar ??? dated 2.3.16 Thank you in advance for your inputs. Cheers, Claudio
  8. dear forumites, I am pretty sure to have found the miniatures for Flaccus' medal bar (see above)... Now I have to buy it in order to re-unite it with the bar... ;-) What do you think? Cheers, Claudio
  9. Hi there! No, it doesn't... and I don't like it... first of all I'm not so sure that the first device (Wiederholungsspange 1939 2 Kl) is original (it looks so "flashy" and new compared the other ones), secondly there are too many different types (3 types out of 4) of swords devices and thirdly the order doesn't make sense (that KVK2 1939 with X, it should go immediately after the Iron cross ribbon). I wouldn't be sad to have missed that one... ciao, C
  10. Yes, I know but I remember once that it was already offered a Red Cross medal with a battle clasp by an auctioneer in Germany some time ago RKM with Ostasien 1900-01 battle clasp Wikipedia RKM Für die Teilnahme an Militärexpeditionen konnte die II. und III. Klasse auch mit einer der folgenden Spangen auf dem Band verliehen werden: Südafrika 1899/1900 Ostasien 1900/01 Charbin 1904/05 Südwestafrika 1904/06 Peking Die Spangen sind aus vergoldetem Bronze oder Messing gefertigt.
  11. Hi Brian! That's what I also I thought; but thank you very much again for your most interesting additional informations on these rare Freikorps awards. Ciao, Claudio
  12. Hi bolewts58! Wow... you make some very very interesting points; thanks for taking your time to explain these Freikorps awards, which are to the most of the collecting community quite unknown or underrated. I was saying that it was a Deutschritter cross of Randow's detachment award, because it was so described by the auction house. Furthermore I didn't know that the 2nd class of the Deutschritter order was intended only for NCOs; you never stop learning! If so, even better, because I know that the Awaloff-Kreuz (German spelling correct?) is quite a rare order, like the other Freikorps awards or commemorative medals. Most of them, because of them are being also quite heavily faked. But you are right; to find such Freikorps medals or orders on a bar is quite rare or rather impossible. I did only see another one years ago being sold on Ebay for a lot of money. I wish I had saved pictures of it on my computer! But I do remember it wasn't a Godet's bar. I thought he could have been a pilot active on the Eastern front, but I also thought he could have been an junior officer that first was an Infantry-Officer and later went into the LW-service (like Kesselring to name a notorious career switch from army to air force). But of course it could be highly probable that the wearer of my bar was already in the air force maybe also a pilot during the end of WWI. I think that the wearer of my bar had to be very young, since he didn't have any other German WWI orders or bravery awards on his bar. In fact he could have joined the German air force very late in WWI maybe when he was only 20-21, so it would explain why he didn't have any other German awards like a Hohenzollern order, Saxon AO, BLZ, BMVO, WFO or others orders given usually quite profusely to junior pilot officers. Moreover he did have only 12 years long service medals on his bars, that means that he re-joined late in the 30ies the armed forces or maybe he was too young to get higher long service awards. Since there weren't so many pilots, maybe this bar could be identifiable but it would take a lot of time and research. Here attached I also put a picture of Detlev Niemann (2) German awards book about the Awaloff Order: oddly or interestingly enough Niemann doesn't mention any 4th class and all the pictured crosses on his book have a skull on the top cross arm at 12 hours. But I know that there were Awaloff Orders without skull (German version?). Thanks again to make this thread so interesting and to give so valuable and educated inputs into it. Cheers, Claudio Also interesting: Freiwillige russische Westarmee ciao, C
  13. From Wikipedia Alfred Georg Friedrich Kuno Karl von Randow This was the comanding officer of the "Detachement von Randow" who fought the reds in 1919 (Freikorps) like the wearer of my medal bar. Very likely they knew eachother personally! Interesting to notice that von Randow's medal bar is not too far off of the one purchased by me. In fact he wears almost the same combination of medals with some minor differences: his Deutschritterkreuz "Detachement von Randow" has the swords and he does also wear the Baltenkreuz 1st and 2nd class. Furthermore is also quite interesting to point out that von Randow he's wearing some "Weimarer Republic" stuff that has been banned after 1934 to be worn on medal bars at official events/occasions (parades, gala evening etc.). Naughty! Naughty! Detachement von Randow I'm wondering if the wearer of my bar could be identified with the officers in this detachement (must have been an officer because of the Saint Stanislaw's order on his bar): Das Freiwilligen Detachement von Randow war eine Freikorps-Einheit im Baltikum nach dem Ersten Weltkrieg. Es wurde von Hauptmann Alfred von Randow am 5. Januar 1919 in Schaulen aufgestellt, nachdem sein Ersuchen auf Bildung eines Freikorps zum Schutz der Bahnlinie nach Schaulen vom Armeeoberkommando (AOK) am 2. Januar 1919 genehmigt worden war. Konkret ging es um die Sicherung der Bahnlinie Lidowiany-Tauroggen. Aus Formationen der ehemaligen 8. Armee, Freiwilligen, Versprengten der Eisernen Brigade (Leutnant Winterhalter mit rund 80 Mann), der Freiwilligenkompanie 5. Ersatz-Division, Freiwilligen aus Torgau unter Leutnant Prickler, einer Maschinengewehr(MG)-Kompanie in Tilsit unter Feldwebel-Leutnant Schulz wurde das Detachement gebildet. Am 11. Januar 1919 bestand etwa folgende Gliederung: Stab des Detachement: Kommandeur: Hauptmann Alfred von Randow, Tilsit Adjutant: Leutnant G. Negendank Verpflegungsoffizier Leutnant Bauch Infanteriekompanien: Führer Leutnant Durlach, rund 100 Mann, 4 schwere MG Führer Leutnant Winterhalter, rund 100 Mann, 6 schwere MG Führer Leutnant Schönfeld, rund 40 Mann Das Bahnschutz-Bataillon unterstand taktisch seit dem 5. Januar 1919 unmittelbar dem LII. Armeekorps, Insterburg, seit dem 19. Januar der 1. Infanterie-Brigade, Oberst Sydow. Von diesem Zeitpunkt an führte die Truppe die Bezeichnung Freikorps von Randow. Seit Ende Januar 1919 war das Detachement von Randow bestrebt, durch anhaltende kleinere Vorstöße den Gegner zu beunruhigen und ihn über die eigene Stärke im unklaren zu lassen. Fast täglich kam es zu Schießereien und Gefechten. Am 3. Februar 1919 stieß ein Jagdkommando der Abteilung von Randow bis zum Eisenbahnknotenpunkt Radviliškis vor und zerstörte dort Lokomotiven und Gleisanlagen. Am 10. Februar traten als Verstärkung zwei württembergische Kompanien mit fünf Offizieren und 300 Mann des XIII. Armeekorps als 7. und 8. Kompanie (Gruppe Schwaben) zum Detachement. Das Freikorps vergrößerte sich jetzt schnell und erreichte bis Ende Februar 1919 eine Stärke von 2.635 Mann und vergrößerte sich bis zu seinem Ende auf fast 5.000 Mann. Vom 14. März an trat das Detachement von Randow beiderseits Dubysa zum Angriff in Richtung Schaulen an und erstürmte eine Reihe von Ortschaften. Die litauische Regierung hatte von Randow hierzu mehrere Infanteriekompanien und eine starke Kavallerieabteilung unterstellt. Nachdem es am 27. Februar zu einem Gefecht der Nordgruppe des Detachements von Randow bei Szakiany gekommen war, das von den Bolschewiki geräumt wurde, versammelte das Generalkommando LII die Abteilung von Randow am 10. März im Raum von Cytowiany zum Vormarsch, in dessen Verlauf die Abteilungen Meyer und von Randow am 12. März Radviliškis und Schaulen besetzten. Im weiteren allgemeinen Vorgehen erzielte das Detachement am 22. bei Kapzuny einen beachtlichen Erfolg und unterstützte litauische Truppen. Am 3./4. April gelang es überlegenen russisch-bolschewistischen Kräften, das von litauischen Truppen und kleineren Teilen des Detachements besetzte Poniewicz zu nehmen; diese folgen aber nur mit schwächeren Kräften, so dass das Detachement die sogenannte Szoja-Linie gegen alle Angriffe halten konnte. Am 17. Mai übernahm Hauptmann Meyer die Führung des Detachements für den beurlaubten Major von Randow, der nicht mehr zu seiner Truppe zurückkehren sollte. Cheers, C
  14. Hi Claudius! I'm afraid that on the basis of the medals on the bar, this is a practically an impossibile one to be identified, but I'm quite confident that somewhere lying around are still its documents to be found, maybe still with the family or collector that had this bar. It's like Falke's medal bar : it took me several years, but finally I could find the medal bar that went with documents (the other way around)! Let's be positive and hope... I'll be watching the next auctions if something interesting may surface... you never know! ciao, C
  15. thanks for the kind comments! Wow! That's pristine, stone-mint backing!!! Maybe the holes can be explained that very likely the battle clasp was moved from the Red Cross medal to the right medal (China Medal)... could be? Who knows. Only a time period picture of the wearer with his bar could explain it. Cheers, Claudio
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