Claudio

https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_von_Hannover_und_Cumberland

Dear Forumites, Could you help in identify the medals on the Grossherzogin Alexandra's medal bar? Mecklenburg-Schwerin , HO der Wendischen Krone, Ritterkreu Preussen, Luisen-Orden, presumably 1. Klasse in Gold Österreich KuK, Deutscher Ritterorden, Marianerkreuz Preussen, Krönungsmedaille 1861? Deutsches Reich 1871-1918, Südwestafrika-Denkmünze (in Stahl?) Grossbritannien Königreich, King Edward VII's Corporation Medal (1902) ? Denmark Königreich, Erinnerungsmedaille an die goldene Hochzeit 1892 Am I correct? Thanks in advance for your valuable inputs. Cheers, Claudio

I remember very well that bar being sold at the Thies Auction House in 2004.

Thanks Christoph! ????

Thanks Chris! I’ll tell him, your opinion is very much appreciated! ???????? beautiful miniatures... are these in your collection?! ??? ???

Thanks! Almost finished... Some more touches

The painting is almost done...

??? IMHO that went too expensive, especially the other minor bar with only Prussian or Reichsorden... in total the market value of the medals were not even half the final bid price worth. Well at least I was the second highest bidder and the price increased at least Eur 1’500 due to my bidding fight. I’m sure that after € 6’500 there were only two bidders really interested to have it. Do not forget that if the bidder got both bars in total with the commission fees and taxes had to spend more around Eur 14,500... way too much. for bars who nobody will see them because in a private stored away in collection and not exhibited in a museum or in at least shown and shared with other history buffs, passionate student of phaleristics or simply in the collecting world.

Yes, maybe now that the medal bars have been sold we can unveil the mystery about the original owner....

See? Nothing special really...

Both plain red... as usual for such late 19th century medal bars. C

The medal bars have been sold, the first one without the Austrian orders in the end at Eur 3'700 + commission and the second one (the more interesting one, to me), Eur 8'000.- + commission. My congratulations to the buyer. Cheers, Claudio

Thank you very much Andy! Here's my brother's next portrait's project... Ciao, Claudio

Thanks a lot!

Do you also know, by the photo if von Röder is wearing the red crimson Parade rabatt in the front or not. Furthemore which is the 4th medal from the left on the bar? It looks like a Württemberg medal, but which one?

Thank you Laurentius! Is the RK of the Luxembourg (Nassau?) Lion Order so big? It looks almost a Komtur cross being worn on the medal bar... Thank you Andy for your valuable information!??? Gentlemen, which order do you think it is on the forth last position from the right, the Maltese shapened cross with white enamel? For sure not the Wurttemburgian order of military merit, I thought maybe from the ribbon a Waldeck HO... thanks again for your valuable and very appreciated comments. ciao, Claudio

Dear Forumites, This officer portrayed on the picture here below, Major (Oberst?) Karl von Röder, was in the UR19 or UR20? Enjoy the picture! Many thanks for your inputs. Claudio

Thanks Nicolas, but I needed to know what colours are the four last ribbons and the uniform (tunic). Cheers, Claudio

Dear forumites, Here I'm posting a nice picture of a German General Abraham (very teutonic kind of family name) RKT with Oakleaves wearing also a beautiful General field visor cap "old style". What kind of uniform is wearing or what colour do you thing it is? Is it a tropical (tan) tunic with closed collar? That's quite unusual. Note also the Foreign ribbons on the bar after the DA eagles (Long Services). Could you guess which one these are? I can see one blue ribbon with a star shaped metal device (very likely for an Italian Silver bravery medal), a crossed swords ribbon (very likely Rumanian) and the last one the Rumanian commemorative medal for the Eastern front (Crusade against Bolshevism). I don't know which one could be, the fourth from the right. Thanks in advance for your inputs. Cheers, Claudio

Dave! ?????????? You are the Man! Great research work... thanks also to Sascha! ? I checked but he wasn’t directly related to General der Infanterie von Mudra PLM m.E., if he was he would have also had the aristocratic prefix “von”. Now we have also a face.. Thank you all!!!?????? Claudio

Christophe, I post this for you, if you meant this as described by Sascha... I am not sure.

Dear Christophe, I think that you rather meant the first medal bar I posted, with the BMVO3KrX: Generalleutnant a.D. Karl Wilhelm Arthur Otto von Fabeck: Karl von Fabeck wurde am 6. Mai 1867 in Hannover geboren. Als Second-Lieutenant kam er im März 1887 zum Garde-Grenadier-Regiment 3. Über eine untergeordnete Tätigkeit im Großen Generalstab wurde er 1911 1. Adjutant des Chefs des Generalstabs und 1913 Abteilungs-Chef. Mit Ausbruch des 1. Weltkrieges wurde er Abteilungschef im Generalstab des Feldheeres und im März 1916 dann Kommandeur des Garde-Grenadier-Regiments 3, bei dem seine Karriere begann. In der Folge sollte er noch das Kommando über die 4. Garde-Infanterie-Brigade und die RW-Brigade 15 erhalten wie auch Mitglied des Reichsmilitärgerichts sein. Ende März 1921 wurde er verabschiedet und verstarb am 22. Juni 1957 in Bad Kissingen. Laufbahn: Kadett 22.03.1887 Sec.Lt. i. Garde-Grenadier-Rgt. 3 1900 i. Großen Generalstab 1903 Chef 1. / (7.bad.) Inf.Rgt. 142 1911 1.Adjutant d. Chefs d. Generalstabs 1913 Abt.-Chef i. Großen Generalstabs 02.08.1914 Abt.-Chef i. Gen.St. d. Feldheeres 24.03.1914 Kdr. Garde-Gren.Rgt. 3 02.08.1916 Chef Gen.St. Gen.Kdo. VIII. Res.-Korps 1917 Kdr. 4. Garde-Inf.-Brigade 1919 Mitglied d. Reichsmilitärgerichts 16.05.1920 Bfh. d. Inf. RW-Brigade 15 01.10.1920 Infanterieführer III 31.03.1921 verabschiedet Patente / R D A : 22.03.1887 Second Lieutenant 30.05.1894 Premier Lieutenant 29.03.1900 P Hauptmann 27.01.1907 V5v Major 16.06.1913 Oo P Oberstleutenant 24.07.1915 U Oberst 20.09.1918 H Generalmajor I can show the reverse of the bar, but you can't get too much closer with the BMVO3 because it's quite tightly sewn to the bar. Cordially C

Thanks for your kind comments... I have here a couple of nice portraits of ladies belonging to high nobility pre-1914 in Prussian uniforms as well. About Queen Victoria's portrait I already saw it... She was chief of Prussian Infantry regiment. Nevertheless thank you Johann very much for showing.

Bit by bit is coming along... ?

Wow, thanks Paul! That's quite a spectacular display of orders! Do you think that in the case of Wilfsdorf's bar the ribbons on the Reussisches Ehrenkreuz 3th class and the Belgian Leopold order with swords (officer class) are both in violet colour... maybe the one for the REK3 is a bit more darker violett. Usually I saw these ones worn by officer without swords being with the violett ribbon ^see my second picture of a Wurttembergian Cavalry staff officer (UR19). What do you think about it?