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  1. Many thanks for posting this museum image Carol 1, this helps resolve the discrepancies in the reported number of links in the collar. The example you illustrate has 18 larger links in the collar, + the special central link for the suspension device, and 18 of the smaller links with the 6-rayed star=37 links in total.  


  2. Below are two good illustrations of the the Collar of Hanedani, although they are not very high resolution images and some aspect of the design of the neck badge are still unclear in these photos. 

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    The above illustration is from the Stephen Patterson reference that Elmar Lang provided. As Enzo noted, this is from Patterson, Stephen, 1996. Royal Insignia: British and Foreign Orders of Chivalry from the Royal Collection. Merrell Holberton Publishers, London. This may be the example presented to King Edward VII. The Royal Collection Identification Number is RCIN 441555a & b.  The text description of the collar is on pg 162, and the above image is on pg 167. The text in Patterson calls this the Collar of the Order of Al Handedani, it is in its presentation case. Although the collar is not fully pictured in this photo, the description identifies 18 larger links that are hollow, gold with red and white enamel decorated with the crescent moon and (five-armed) star symbolism. Between these main links are another 19 smaller links of gold with red and white enamel, each ornamented with a 6-armed star. The central link of the collar that is the attachment for suspending the neck badge is the same size & shape of the larger links, but is ornamented with an oval surmounted by the Sultan's turban. I do not know what the imagery in the center of the white oval is, unless it is a variant of the "Ottoman Sun" motif. The reverse of all links is identified as plain. The collar is 695 mm in length x 18 mm wide. 

    The pendant badge is gold with red, white, and yellow enamel. The central medallion is surrounded by a white laurel wreath on the inferior half, joineded in the center with a yellow enameled “wrap”. The superior margin of the pendant medallion is surrounded with a white enameled ribbon with a yellow “daisy” ornament in the middle. The central medallion is ornamented with the imperial Tughra of Abdul Hamid II surrounded by a red enamel border with the dates 699 AH (=AD 1299, the date of the founding of the Ottoman Empire) on the inferior margin and 1311 AH =AD 1893, the date the award was established by Sultan Abdul Hamid II) on the superior margin. There is a small relief ornamentaion that appears to be a band with a central medallion to the left of both dates on the margin of frame of the central medallion. None of the images I of the neck badge I have seen are high enough resolution to more precisely identify this element. I have not yet found any translation of the inscriptions above and below the Tughra. The suspension device is a gold and white enamel crescent moon and star. The badge could be worn attached either to to the collar, or worn at the neck suspended from the red and white ribbon by the gold and enamel clip (it appears it was occasionally worn suspended from the clip without the use of the red & white ribbon) that is decorated with the crescent moon and star designs(as 5 individual elements) as seen on the collar links (shown resting on the ribbon; this is the attachment shown in the first image of Khedive Abbas Hilmi II wearing the Collar on my 16 January post here and by Osman Fuad in the last picture of my post from 18 January, both without use of the ribbon). The pendant badge is identified as 50 mm wide x 83 mm high.

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    The above photo of the Collar of Order of Hanedani Ali Osman Nishani  (translated as: Order of the Illustrious Ottoman Dynasty) is from a December, 2008 auction by Mortan & Eden in association with Sothebys (http://www.mortonandeden.com/pdfcats/36web.pdf). This auction listing identifies that this Order only has one class of the award, this Collar. The description identifies the Collar as consisting of 28 links (unlike the total of 37 identified in the Patterson description above), in gold with red and white enamel, alternating star-and-crescent and six-pointed star links The gold ring at the top of the image is identified as the "gold central ring for carrying the gold and enamelled collar badge". However, that ring appears to simply be the closure for the Collar, and the central link with the oval and Sultan's turban is missing from this example.The auction description does note that the collar is "detached in six places but with all links present", however the number of links is not in agreement with the Patterson description and the central attachment link is clearly missing. The alternate suspension clip is pictured above the neck badge. The neck badge is described as having a gold centre with the Tughra of Abdul Hamid II, and the the dates AH 699 (AD 1299) and AH 1311 (AD 1895). It is identified as measuring 44 mm wide x 72 mm high. These dimensions do not match well with those given for the Royal Collection example above. This example is stated to be in a case, custom-made by Spink and Son Ltd (not original?). The description notes that the Order of Hanedani Ali Osman Nishani was exclusively awarded to members of the Ottoman Imperial Family and for foreign Royalty (with the single exception of the Grand Vizier Tewfik Pasha), and was awarded on a total of only 50 occasions. The auction listing estimate for the sale of this item in 2008 was between £30,000-50,000. 


  3. I am including images of several miniatures of the Ottoman Order of Osmanieh and the Order of Medjidie, mostly from past auction on the eMedals website. These show some of the variation in form and execution of these miniatures. 

    Below are a few illustrations of a miniature Ottoman Order of Osmanieh from the Medal-Medaille website (http://www.medal-medaille.com/sold/product_info.php?cPath=499_461&products_id=719). The listing identifies this piece as having a diameter of 19 mm. The rosette without galon indicates it is the 4th Class of this award. No manufacturer identified.

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    Above are 3 images of the obverse of this miniature of the Order of Osmanieh.

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    Above are 2 images of the reverse of this miniature order of Osmanieh

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    Above are 2 images detailing the suspension device of this same medal (upper=obverse; lower=reverse)

    Below are a few images of another miniature of the Order of Osmanieh from a past eMedals auction (https://www.emedals.com/a-fine-miniature-turkish-order-of-osmania-osmanli). This example is identified in the auction description as made of silver, with red and green enamel and measuring 18.5 mm wide x 26.5 mm high (including the crescent and star suspension device). No manufacturer is specified. 

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    Obverse of this miniature of the Order of Osmanieh.

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    Oblique obverse of this miniature of the Order of Osmanieh showing additional design details.

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    Reverse image of this miniature of the Order of Osmanieh.

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    Oblique obverse view of this miniature of the Order of Osmanieh showing more detailed design aspects.

    Below are a few images of two turkish miniatures, an Order of Medjidie and an Order of Osmanieh, from a miniature 1870 Franco-Priussiona War era chain of 8 miniature medals. The auction description identifies the medals as (R to L): "Iron Cross 1870, crisp details, 14mm, non-magnetic; Order of Hohenzollern with Swords, in silver, crown in Gold, 16x26mm; Saxon Duchies, Ernestine Order, breast star, in silver, center in Gold and enamels, 17.5mm; Saxon Duchies, Ernestine Order, in Gold and enamels, 14x21mm; 1870-71 Franco-Prussian War medal, bronze; 1866 Campaign Cross, bronze; Turkey, Order of Osmania (Osmanli), breast star...; Order of Medjidie (Mecidiye), breast star..." The miniatures are mounted on a gilt chain that is 19 mm long. From a pair eMedals auction: (https://www.emedals.com/an-1870-franco-prussian-war-period-miniature-award-chain)

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    Obverse of a miniature Order of Mejidie (far L) and a miniature Order of Osmanieh. The Order of Medjidie is identified as 19 mm in diameter and made of silver with the central medallion made of gold and enamel. The Order of Osmanieh is 20 mm in diameters and also made of silver with the central medallion made of gold and enamel. The form of the Order of Osmanieh indicates it represents either a 1st or 2nd Class version of this award. No manufacturer is identified for wither of the Ottoman miniatures. 

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    Reverse of the same medals on this chain, from R to L are the Order of Mejidie and the Order of Osmanieh. 

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    Obverse of the complete miniature set of miniature medals on this chain.

    Below are a few photos of another miniature chain from a past eMedals auction (https://www.emedals.com/a-late-19th-century-diplomatic-miniature-set-in-gold-eu7183). This group of 8 miniatures is identified as a  late 19th century diplomatic miniature set in gold, mounted on a solid gold chain. The medals are identified as: "Bavaria, Order of the Crown, in Gold and enamels, 14x21mm, hallmark of Vince Mayer, Vienna, on the ring, along with Austrian Imperial 18Kt. Gold hallmark; Turkey, Order of Mecidie,...; Saxon Duchies, Ernestine House Order, in Gold and enamels, 15x23mm; Austria, Order of the Iron Crown, in Gold and enamels, 11x21mm; Austria, Franz Joseph Order, in Gold and enamels; Turkey, Order of Osmania, silver, gold and enamels (reverse center missing); Prussia, Order of the Crown, in gilt and enamels; Russia, Order of St. Anne, in Gold and enamels, 12x12mm. Generally very fine to extremely fine condition, circa 1900, of very fine quality manufacture."

    img_02.jpg540f1f6c7bcdb.jpg.85d1fd665bc501d4d94d333eebb68ff5.jpgAbove is a view of the obverse of the Order of Osmaieh (3rd from L) miniature on this chain. The Order of Osmanieh is identified as made from silver, gold, and enamels (the reverse center is stated to be missing) . No dimensions are given for this miniature and no manufacturer is specified. 

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    Above is the obverse of the miniature Order of Medjidie (2nd from R) on this chain. The Order of Medjidie is identified as made of silver with the central medallion in gold and enamels. No dimensions are given for this miniature and no manufacturer is identified. 

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    Above is the reverse of the miniature Order of Medjidie (2nd from L) on this chain. 

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    An oblique view of the obverse of the Order of Medjidie (2nd from R) on this chain. 

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    Above is the complete set of miniature medals on this chain. 

    Below are a couple photos of a miniature Order of Medjidie on another chain of 6 miniatures, identified as a diplomatic set, from a past eMedals auction (https://www.emedals.com/an-early-attractive-diplomatic-miniature-chain-in-gold-eu7104). The auction description identifies the  set as: "Prussian, Order of Red Eagle, in Gold and enamels (13x16mm); Sweden, Order of the Sword, in Gold and enamels; Spain, Order of Isabella the Catholic, in Gold and enamels (14x22mm); Greece, Order of Redeemer, in Gold and enamels; Turkey, Order of Medjidie (Mecidiye), in Silver, center in Gold (13x19mm); France, Order of Legion of Honor,  in silver and enamels, center in gold; of fine quality manufacture, in worn condition, generally in very fine condition."

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    Obverse of the miniature Order of Medjidie (2nd from L) from this chain (and all the other 6 miniatures). The Order of Medjidie is identified as made of silver with the central medallion made of  and measuring 13 mm wide by 19 mm high. 

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    Reverse of the miniature Order of Medjidie (2nd from R) from this chain (and all the other 6 miniatures).

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    Oblique view of the miniature Order of Medjidie (2nd from L) from this chain (and all the other 6 miniatures).

    Below is an image of a miniature Order of Medjidie from a mounted set of 9 miniatures on an archived past eMedals auction (https://www.emedals.com/group-of-nine-miniatures-gb0476).

    bmm36904.jpg.d42d330a1a470f596e3642df20f05a45.jpgThis miniature of the Order of Medjidie (far L) it is next to miniatures of the Egyptian Khedive Star and the Egyptian Khedive's Sudan Meda. TheOrder of Medjidie is identifies as made of silver and enamel and measuring 9.5 mm wide x 27 mm high. No manufacturer is identified for this medal. 

     

    Below is another miniature Order of Medjidie in a group of miniatures from a past eMedals auction (https://www.emedals.com/a-fine-victorian-miniature-group-of-four-gb2515). This set is identified as a Victorian period  miniature group on a bar that includes: "Indian Mutiny Medal (silver, 17.4 mm); Crimea Medal, 4 Clasps - ALMA, BALAKLAVA, INKERMANN, SEBASTOPOL (silver, 17.5 mm); Turkey: Order of Medjidie ...; and Turkey: Crimea Medal (silver, 17.5 mm). All period strikings, original ribbons, mounted to a period silver suspension bar with swingbar pinback, marked "HUNT ROSKILL", as worn by the veteran, light contact, near extremely fine. Footnote: Frederick Alexander Campbell Kane was commissioned into the Bombay Infantry in 1840. He was promoted to Captain on November 15, 1853, promoted to Brevet Major on December 12, 1854 and retired as a Major on December 31, 1861. Kane served in the Crimea (1854-1856) and during the Indian Mutiny (1857-1858)."

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    Obverse of the miniature order of Medjidie (2nd from R) and the other 3 miniatures on this bar, the Order of Medjidie is made of silver and enamels and measuring 18.3 mm wide x 25.5 mm high. No manufacturer is identified. 

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    Reverse of this miniature order of Medjidie (2nd from L) and the other 3 miniatures on this bar.

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    Oblique view of the obverse of the miniature order of Medjidie (2nd from R) and the other 3 miniatures on this bar. 

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    Oblique detailed image of the obverse of this same miniature order of Medjidie

    Below is another miniature Order of Medjidie from a past eMedals auction (https://www.emedals.com/a-miniature-turkish-order-of-medjidie-german-made-eu8335). It is identified as made from silver and enamel, no dimensions provided. This miniature is stated to be of German manufacture, but no specific maker is identified in the auction description. 

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    Obverse of this miniature Order of Medjidie

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    Reverse of the same miniature Order of Medjidie

     

    Below is another miniature Order of Medjidie from a past eMedals auction (https://www.emedals.com/a-miniature-turkish-order-of-medjidie-mecidiye). It is identified as 2-piece construction, made from silver and enamel, it measures 16.2 mm wide x 22.5 mm high (including all of the crescent & star suspension device). This example is stated to probably be of German manufacture (because of the high quality manufacture and finer design details), although no maker is identified. 

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    Obverse of this miniature Order of Medjidie

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    Reverse of the same miniature Order of Medjidie

    Below are 3 photos of another miniature Order of Medjidie from a past eMedlas auction (https://www.emedals.com/a-fine-miniature-turkish-order-of-medjidie). This example shows much more abbreviated and less detailed execution. The auction description identifies this piece as German-made (no manufacturers is identified), it is made of silver and the central medallion and the the suspension device are in gold and enamel, it measures 20 mm wide by x 28 mm high. 

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    Obverse of this miniature Order of Medjidie

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    Detailed view of the obverse of this miniature Order of Medjidie, showing the very abbreviated form of the design elements in the gold and enamel central medallion of this example

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    Reverse of this same miniature Order of Medjidie

    Below are 4 photos of a another miniature Order of Medjidie from a past eMedals auction (https://www.emedals.com/a-miniature-turkish-order-of-medjidie-mecidiye-65360). This example is identified as probably of German manufacture and of extremely high quality, again with good design details on this piece. It is made of silver with gold with red enamel. This miniature measures 17.3 mm wide x 26 mm high, inclusive of its gold and red enameled crescent & star suspension device. 

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    Obverse of this miniature Order of Medjidie

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    Oblique obverse of this miniature Order of Medjidie showing additional design details

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    Reverse of this miniature Order of Medjidie

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    Oblique reverse image of this same miniature Order of Medjidie

     

    Below are images of two much less-detailed and worn miniature examples of the Order of Osmanieh and the Order of Medjidie from a past eMedals auction (https://www.emedals.com/turkey-two-ottoman-empire-miniature-orders). The Order of Medjidie miniature is silver but the entire center medallion is damaged and it is missing all of its enamel design. It measures 14mm, in diameter.  The miniature  Order of Osmanieh is made of silver and enamel with some damage to the obverse face, lacks the lacking reverse center, and measures 14 mm in  diameter. 

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    Obverse of these 2 miniatures, Order of Osmanieh is on the L and the Order of Medjidie is on the R 

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    Reverse of these 2 miniatures, Order of Osmanieh is on the L and the Order of Medjidie is on the R 

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    Oblique image of the obverse of this miniature Order of Osmanieh

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    Oblique image of the obverse of this damaged miniature Order of Medjidie

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    Oblique image of the obverse of this miniature Order of Osmanieh


  4. Elmer (Enzo), many thanks for the reference for the Collar of Hanedan. I apologize for my ignorance of some standard phaleritsics reference materials, I am an avocational researcher in this field and not a collector. My university library has the Patterson volume and I will borrow it this weekend. 

    Cheers,  Rusty

    While I wait to get that information to post here, I've added another couple images of the Collar of Hanedan. The first image shows the Collar of Hanedan worn by Ahmed Nihad, 38th head of the Imperial House of Osman, 1944-1954, as well as the neck badge of the Order of Imtiaz and the breast stars probably for the Order of Osmanieh and Order of Medjidie. 

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    From: https://www.reddit.com/r/Kaiserreich/comments/8edxkw/ahmed_nihad_should_be_the_leader_of_the_ottomans/

    And below is relatively low-resolution  image of Osman Fuad, 39th head of the Imperial House of Osman, 1954-1973  showing Prince Fuad wearing the Collar of Hanedan with the alternate suspension device as seen in the first image of Khedive Abbas Hilmi II in my previous post, along with his other awards.

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    From: https://www.denizler.org/urun/614944/sehzade-osman-fuad-im

     

     

     


  5. Below are two very high-resolution images of the Khedive Abbas Hilmi II commemorative medal from an archived auction by Dix Noonan Webb (https://www.dnw.co.uk/auction-archive/lot-archive/lot.php?department=Medallions&lot_id=224096). The images provide even better detail than those I posted in the first 2 photos of 22 July, 2018. The lighting is a bit different and picks up a greater amount of detail of the design elements than on the previous best images from that 22 July post (including the reverse inscription in Arabic). Both of these images can be zoomed to see greater details of both faces of this medal (as can the slightly less detailed images from the eBay example I posted on 22 July). The wear patterns and some stains visible in these images are extremely similar to those in the eBay example I illustrated on 22 July. This is especially true of the rubbing on the reverse affecting the foreground mosque dome, the scarab on the lower left, and the scarab on the lower right. Some stains, nicks, and scratches on the superior star on the crescent of the Princely Crown of the obverse also are very similar to those visible in the previous post. This may be the same medal as that from the July, 2018 eBay auction. These images are from an archived 6 December, 2012 DNW auction (lot 1338) listing that correctly identifies the medallist as Massonnet, although the description identifies the editeur as "A. Massonnet", possible the same error I noted in the listing of "Massonnet, Avers." for the medallist on the Very Important Lot auction listing I posted on 2 October, 2018 that is a mistaken reference to the obverse face. I have only seen C. [Charles] Massonnet identified by name from this family of medal designers and die engravers in Paris. Although, as noted in my post of 28 April, 2018, it is most likely that a son of Charles Massonnet was the editeur of this medal as the name "C. Massonnet et Fils" appears on an 1855 copper (the first instance I have identified), which would make C. Massonnet, the father, quite a bit older when this medal was designed, probably in 1910. The auction description gives a single dimension as 67 mm, which is the same as that provided for the examples I illustrated here on 9 December,  2017 from a 2015 auction by La Galerie Numismatique archived on the sixbid.com website and on the V.I.L. example I posted here on 2 October, 2018 from a May, 2018 auction. This example was in its original worn case (like the case Illustrated on 22 July, 2018, the Dix Noonan Webb auction description for this piece specifically states that the inscription on the lid is "much faded") and sold for £620 in 2012.

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    Obverse

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    I am assembling some information on the two events this medal commemorates, the coronation of Abbas Hilmi II in 1892 and his return from the pilgrimage to Mecca in 1909. I hope to post that background in my next post on this thread. 


  6. Gentlemen, I've been engaged in research on some Khedive Abbas Hilmi II materials relating to Egypt and have a question about an award he received. He was given the Collar of Hanedan (is the correct name in English? I have seen it called the Collar of the Hanedan-ı Âl-i Osman, Hanedan-ı Âli Osman Nişanı, and the Collar of the Order of Omani Hanedani), which as I understand is normally awarded to princes & princesses of the Ottoman Royal family and to some heads of state. I am having trouble finding good & detailed images of this award. I would appreciate any information from the learned experts here regarding this Ottoman award. Below are the only two  images I have found so far of the Collar of Hanedan that are of low-resolution and do not provide much detail.  Following that are some well-known images of Khedive Abbas Hilmi II (reign=1892-1914) wearing the Collar of Haneda), and a couple illustrations of other Ottomans wearing the Collar. 

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    Two images of the Collar of Hanedan. Above is an image identified as "Hanedani Ali Osman nişanı", from: https://www.pinterest.com/offsite/?token=107-763&url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2Foriginals%2F26%2F31%2F21%2F26312134dfb49c8ba2a095808b0386e0.jpg&pin=493918284123639152&client_tracking_params=CwABAAAADDYxMTMzODgzNDYxOAA~0. The drawing below is identified as "Hanedan-ı Âli Osman Nişanı", from: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a5/Huisorde_van_de_Osmanen_aan_lint.jpg

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    Photo of Khedive Abbas Hilmi II in summer military uniform of a Field Marshall, wearing the Collar of Hanedan in addition to other Ottoman decorations and the breast star of Order of Imtiaz (One Egyptian source identifies that as the Supreme Order of Imtiaz in Brilliant, is that a correct designation?) This portrait is from from the French weekly newspaper L'Illustration, No 3148, June 27, 1903, later used on a number of contemporary Egyptian postcards. From: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kelisli/501497462/in/photostream/

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    Portrait of Khedive Abbas Hilmi II, from the Prince Muhammad Ali Hassan Mansion, now known as “Atlı Köşk” (Mansion with the Horse),  Istanbul, showing the Collar of Hanedan worn with the neck badge of the Order of Imtiaz and the breast star for that Order. (From: http://lcivelekoglu.blogspot.com/2013/12/tarihten-bugune-dusen-notlar-20-aralik.html

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    Stencil colored lithograph portrait of Khedive Abbas Hilmi II showing the Collar of Hanedan worn with the neck badge of the Order of Imtiaz. One of the very rare Weißenburg illustrated broadsheets (Weißenburg, Burckardts Nachfolger, c. 1895]), probably executed after 1889, possibly in 1895, 43 x 34 cm. From: https://www.zvab.com/Abbas-Hilmi-II-Egypt-Illustrated-broadsheet/12256693498/bd#&gid=1&pid=1

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    Postcard portrait of Khedive Abbas Hilmi II, possibly from an original illustration published in the journal al-Hilal 1 (16), 1892, pg 26, and also later used in a modified form in the German Newspaper Illustrierte Zeitung, No, 3030, 25 July 1901, Leipzig & Berlin,  showing the Collar of Hanedan. From: https://www.pinterest.com/offsite/?token=153-738&url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2Foriginals%2Fc0%2Fd5%2F7e%2Fc0d57e5927d8c536e98a66c17e009930.jpg&pin=557039047630494865&client_tracking_params=CwABAAAADDExMTY3ODQyNTUwNgA~0

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    Studio ortrait of Khedive Abbas Hilmi II wearing the Collar of Hanedan and the breast star of the Order of Imtiaz. This is a 1910 portrait of the Khedive, the year he returned from his pilgrimage and the year of his coronation anniversary, made by the studio Atelier Reiser, of Alexandria & Cairo. The signature on the lower left is that of Abbas Hilmi II. I believe that this portrait is the basis for the bust on the obverse of the Abbas Hilmi II commemorative medal celebrating his coronation anniversary and return from Hegaz. From: http://www.amar-foundation.org/020-khedive-abbas-ḥilmi-ii/

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    Portrait photo identified as Abdulmejid II, the last Caliph of Islam, the 37th Head of the Ottoman Imperial House from 1922 to 1924, wearing the Collar of Hanedan. From: https://www.pinterest.ca/pin/516295544775706676/

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    Self-portrait of Caliph Abdulmejid II, the last Caliph of Islam, who also was an important painter of late Ottoman art, showing the Collar of Hanedan. From: http://selfportraitsofcolor.tumblr.com/post/141011922378/caliph-abdülmecid-ii-self-portrait-turkey-1943

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    Şehzade Yusuf Izzeddin in a portrait at Windsor as the Ottoman Crown Prince, 1911 wearing the Collar of the Hanedan-ı Âl-i Osman (I cannot identify many of his awards other than the Order of Osmanieh on the 2nd row to the viewer’s R). From: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Z.K.H._Prins_Yusuf_Izzedidin_van_Turkije_1857-1916.jpg

     

     


  7. Here is an example of the silver Parquet version of the judges' badge for the Egyptian Mixed Courts. This is from a current auction by Heritage World Coin Auctions. The listing is on the NumisBids website (https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=2946&lot=36093) and also on the Heritage Auctions site (https://coins.ha.com/itm/egypt/egypt-abbas-hilmi-pacha-1874-1944-khedive-1892-1914-magistrate-badge-nd-c1892-au-/a/3072-36093.s?type=CoinArchives3072). The auction description identifies the badge as 114 mm tall by 84.5 mm wide, and weighs 173.05 g. The badge is identified as belonging to a judge from the Mixed Courts of Alexandria. the listing incorrectly states that the badge was made by Stobbe of Alexandria. The image of the reverse clearly shows the name of Froment Meurice of Paris. This is a high resolution image that can be zoomed to examine details. 

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  8. Below is another example of one of the least common forms of the miniature of the Egyptian Order of the Nile from a March 2014 auction listing of  LA Galerie Numismatique on the six bid.com website , fourth-most miniature medal on the right (obverse, reverse =right-most on the third, right-most image). Unfortunately, this is not a high resolution image. The rosette without galon indicates that it is most likely a miniature of the 4th Class of this award (consistent with the auction description). This example has separate rays on the silver embellishment below the enameled five-armed star. I illustrated an example of this configuration in the righthand image of my post on 22 July, 2018 in this thread. Owain illustrated the obverse of a very similar example of this form in his post of 11 December, 2017 on this thread (upper row, extreme R), and the reverse in his post of 12 December, 2017 (also upper row, extreme R). However, the example below differs most from that comparable example in the more attenuated width of each of the separate rays and in the longer attachment of the embellishment to the suspension device. An example I illustrated on 14 February, 2018 in the 2nd photo (obverse) and 3rd photo (reverse) show a version of the mini with separation of the outermost rays of this embellishment but a greater amount of the embellishment rays are solid near the central white enameled star. Another example I posted in the first (obverse) and 2nd photo (reverse) of my post on 2 April, 2018 shows a version where each of the major groups of larger (5) and smaller (5) rays (10 separated units in total) show a separation, but not each individual ray of the embellishment. Most miniature variants of the Order of the Nile presents solid rays on the embellishment, as is the normal configuration of the full-sized award.   1086152l.jpg.6a08cd0bc7181370b609f2212b380f9e.jpg

    The auction listing identifies the 4 miniature medals as: "1914 Star; War Medal 191420, Victory Medal, Egyptian Order of the Nile, 4th Class.They are in a fitted case reading" "A&N C.S. Ltd.Westminster" and are a named set belonging to D. R. Tweedle (https://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=1170&category=24859&lot=1086152)

    Below is an example of a miniature of the Persian Order of Homayoun (Order of Sun and Lion) from the same March 2014 auction by La Galerie Numismatique archived onto six bid.com website (https://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=1170&category=24867&lot=1086217). The description identifies this as the Commander's Cross miniature (neck badge), 26 mm wide x 33 mm high, silver and enameled medallion, and is of Austrian manufacture. 

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    Below are several images of a Jordanian miniature of the Star of Jordan (Wisam al-Kawkab al-Urdani) archived on the Medal-Medaille website (http://www.medal-medaille.com/sold/product_info.php?cPath=499_399&products_id=3481). The galon with gold on the L and silver on the R identifies this as a 2nd Class miniature of this Order. The auction listing identifies this piece as: "Miniature seven-pointed rayed silver star surmounted by a smaller seven-pointed rayed silver star with rounded points, five-pointed silver-gilt stars between the arms, on five-pointed star suspension; the face with a silver central medallion inscribed in Arabic ‘Abdullah ibn Hussain’ encircled by a green enamel ring inscribed in gilt Arabic lettering ‘Order of the Star’ and bearing the date ‘1366’ (1949 AD); the reverse plain; height 20.87mm (0.82 inch), diameter 17.43mm (0.68 inch);silver hallmark and maker’s mark on the suspension ring; slight surface wear; on original ribbon with rosette and silver band denoting an award of the officer class. The Order was instituted in July 1949 by King Abdullah ibn Hussain and may be awarded for both military and civil merit."

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    Three views of the obverse of this miniature Jordanian Star of Jordan

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    Detail of the suspension device and hallmarks

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    Two view of the reverse of this miniature of this same Star Of Jordan

    Below are photos of another example of a Jordanian miniature of the Star of Jordan from the medal-Medaille website. The auction description includes: "Miniature seven-pointed rayed silver star surmounted by a smaller seven-pointed rayed silver star with rounded points, five-pointed silver-gilt stars between the arms, on five-pointed star suspension; the face with a silver central medallion inscribed in Arabic ‘Abdullah ibn Hussain’ encircled by a green enamel ring inscribed in gilt Arabic lettering ‘Order of the Star’ and bearing the date ‘1366’ (1949 AD); the reverse plain; height 20.87mm (0.82 inch), diameter 17.43mm (0.68 inch);silver hallmark and maker’s mark on the suspension ring; slight surface wear; on original ribbon with rosette and silver band denoting an award of the officer class. The Order was instituted in July 1949 by King Abdullah ibn Hussain and may be awarded for both military and civil merit." (http://www.medal-medaille.com/sold/product_info.php?cPath=499_399&products_id=3584)

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    Two views of the obverse of this miniature Star of Jordan

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    Four views of the reverse of this miniature of the Star of Jordan. The last 2 images show some detail of the hallmarks on the reverse. 

    Below are photos of a Jordanian miniature of the Order of Independence (Wisam an-Istiqlal) from the Medal-Medaille website (http://www.medal-medaille.com/sold/product_info.php?cPath=499_399&products_id=3466). The Auction description reads: "Miniature ten-pointed rayed silver star on gilt wreath suspension; the face with a laurel wreath supporting a five-pointed white enamel star with a central circular red enamel medallion bearing the gilt inscription ‘Al-Hussein ibn Ali’ in Arabic characters; the reverse plain; height 28.6mm (1.12 inches), diameter 17.75mm (0.7 inch); hallmarked and maker’s mark on the suspension ring; on original ribbon. The Wisam al-Istiqlal was established by Emir Hussein I ibn Ali in 1921 as an award for civilian or military merit whilst he was ruler of the Hejaz. In 1924 ibn Saud ousted Hussein and founded what became the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Hussein fled to Cyprus and later settled in Amman, his son Abdullah having become Emir of Transjordan in 1921. The order was adopted by the Emirate (later Kingdom) of Transjordan. Abdullah became King Abdullah I and the current King of Jordan is his great-grandson. The Order continues to be awarded."

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    Three images of the obverse of this miniature Jordanian Order of Independence 

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    Detail of the suspension device on this Jordanian Order of Independence (note 2 hallmarks on the left side of the suspension ring) 

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    Closer view of the hallmarks on the suspension ring of this Jordanian Order of Independence

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    Two views of the reverse of this Jordanian Order of Independence

    Below are several images of a miniature of the Jordanian Supreme Order of the Renaissance (Wisam an-Nahada) from Medal-Medaille website (http://www.medal-medaille.com/sold/product_info.php?cPath=499_399&products_id=3596).  The description accompanying this medal reads: "Miniature six-pointed silver star with beaded edges to the arms, a green enamel leaf and two orange-yellow enamel buds between each of the arms, on a crowned black, white, green and red enamel Arab Revolt flag suspension; the face with a circular central silver gilt medallion bearing crossed Arab revolt flags in black, white and green enamel with the name of the founder of the Order in Arabic script within a red enamel ring bearing the name of the Order in Arabic script with beaded border; the reverse plain; height 28.3mm (1.07 inches), diameter 18.18mm (0.71 inch); slight loss of enamel from the points of the star; on probably non-conforming ribbon. The Wisam an-Nahada was established by Emir Hussein I ibn Ali in 1917 as an award for service during the Arab Uprising against the Ottoman Turks whilst he was ruler of the Hejaz. In 1924 ibn Saud ousted Hussein and founded what became the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Hussein fled to Cyprus and later settled in Amman, his son Abdullah having become Emir of Transjordan in 1921. The order was adopted by the Emirate (later Kingdom) of Transjordan in 1925 as both a military and civil order. It was made by Bichay of Cairo and Garrards in London. Abdullah became King Abdullah I and the current King of Jordan is his great-grandson. The Order continues to be awarded."

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    Three views of the obverse of this miniature of the Jordanian Supreme Order of the Renaissance

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    Two views of the reverse of this miniature of the Jordanian Supreme Order of the Renaissance

     


  9. I  posted the following bar of miniatures on my thread "Question about the Order of Ismail" on November 10, 2018 and did not copy it here. 

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    I am particulalrly interested in this image providing another example of the form of the miniature of the Order of Ismail with the chest star configuration, shown in this listing on acsearch.info from a 2016 auction by Auktionhaus H. R. Rauch (top set obverse of the Order of Ismail is shown on far R; reverse shown on top L far L; and the obverse of the Order of Ismail is on the bottom image in the case on the far R) along with 10 other miniatures on a chain. (https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=Egypt&category=4&en=1&de=1&fr=1&it=1&es=1&ot=1&images=1&thesaurus=1&order=0&currency=usd&company=) The resolution of this illustrations is too poor for any meaningful detail of that Order of Ismail miniature medal or any of the others on that same chain, but is shown below simply as another example of this form of the Order of Ismail mini. The auction description (from a 2016 auction) includes the following: A Personal Group of 11 Miniatures on a Chain: France, Colonial Medal, Germany, Grand Cross ofMerit of the Order of the Republic, Morocco, Grand Cross of the Ouissam al-Aoui, Guatemala, Grand Cross of the Order of the Quetzal, Djibouti, Grand Cross of the Nichan el-Anouar, Cambodia, Grand Officer of the Royal Order of the Sahametrei, Egypt, Grand Officer of the Order of the Nile (Type II), Comoros, Commander of the Star of Comoros, Tunisia, Commander of the Nichan el-Iftikhar, Serbia, Officer of the Order of Saint Sava, Egypt, Officer of the Order of Ismail. Breast Badges, different sizes, Silver or Silver gilt, enameled, original suspension rings and ribbons, hanging from a Silver giltchain, hallmarked "crab", in a box of issue by "Arthus-Bertrand, Paris"

    In the "Question about the Order of Ismail" thread where I originally posted this image, Owain posted the following comment about this miniature medal group on 13 December, 2018: "With regard to the Rauch set of miniatures illustrated in your previous post, probably to a French recipient, it would appear that one of the awards is an 'extra' either added by the recipient to his chain - rather than get a longer chain, or perhaps added much later. Has the Ismail been squeezed in? The fact that the chain includes an Egyptian Monarchy Order of Ismail and a Republic Order of the Nile is of interest - the latter was for recipients of the rank of Prime Minister of similar. the Ismail would chronologically been awarded first but it appears to be an 'extra' in this group  although in seniority it may be the junior foreign award by rank or grade."

    I posted the following brief question back to Owain on 11 January, 2019 (also on the "Question about the Order of Ismail" thread: "Your additional information and point about the mix of Monarchy and Republic era miniatures in the Rauch photograph is quite interesting. The Republic Order of the Nile is a 2nd Class of that Order (galon with gold on R and silver on L) while the Order of Ismail mini appears to be the 4th Class (rosette with no galon). Unfortunately, very few images of miniatures Order of Ismail I have run across show any galon to demonstrate common use on the minis. Would those differences in Class help explain the order of the the two Egyptian minis on this French bar?"

     


  10. Owain, many thanks for your continued interest and help in advancing my understanding about the Order of Ismail and the other limited excursion I am making into this period of Egyptian phaleristics. Your additional information and point about the mix of Monarchy and Republic era miniatures in the Rauch photograph is quite interesting. The Republic Order of the Nile is a 2nd Class of that Order (galon with gold on R and silver on L) while the Order of Ismail mini appears to be the 4th Class (rosette with no galon). Unfortunately, very few images of miniatures Order of Ismail I have run across show any galon to demonstrate common use on the minis. Would those differences in Class help explain the order of the the two Egyptian minis on this French bar? 

    I'm afraid my silence has been due to submersion in more pedantic tarpits of investigation of my vast ignorance, I hope this screed on hallmarks is of some interest to folks here. 

    I have been looking into Egyptian hallmarks in relation to my interests in the Order of Ismail. I would like to share some of what I have found out about gold and silver hallmarks, especially those identify the purity of metals employed and the dates of manufacture. A complete set of Egyptian hallmarks for gold or silver include 3 punch marks: the left most is the fineness assay that identifies the purity of the precise metal as tested by an assay office. This mark also includes which office certifies that purity. The middle hallmark identifies Egypt as the location where the piece was made. For silver, a cat was used from 1916 until 1946. After 1946 a lotus image was used for the identification of Egyptian silver. The origin mark for gold is a bird, usually identified as an ibis, but also possibly an egret or stork, and often a number of other silly names on website listings (i.e., "seagull"!?). For a brief period, ~February of 1951 until an unspecified date after King Farouk's banishment on 26 July, 1956, King Farouk I's cipher was used for gold, and then the ibis image was re-instituted. The third, right-most, hallmark identifies the date of manufacture (or when the piece was hallmarked). Roman letters were used to indicate dates from 1916 until 1940. From 1940 until the present, Arabic letters have been used to identify the manufacturing dates. The chart I posted in the 3rd image on 12 September, 2018 in this thread is the most commonly available date listing (covering only 1916-1982). There are some discrepancies in published dating charts (i.e. in George C. Miles 1957. A note on Egyptian gold and silver assay marks. Museum Notes (American Numismatic Society) vol 7; pp. 251-253, identifies dates slightly different from the table in my 12 September post. However, other published date tables generally agree with the one here [i.e., in Azza Fahmy,  2007. Enchanted Jewelery of Egypt: The Traditional art and Craft.  American University of Cairo Press, Cairo: pg 199]. Although Miles states that he got the information for his 1957 article from the director of the Administration of Stamps and Weights in Cairo [ibid. pg. 251], his article contains another error I can identify: he incorrectly identifies the cat silver hallmark as post-1946 and the lotus and the pre-1946 country mark for silver [ibid. pg 253]. One source I have not been able to check through interlibrary loan is the recent, expensive, but hopefully comprehensive and well-researched treatment of Egyptian hallmarks: Danusia V. Niklewicz, Lindy L. Matula, & William B. Whetstone [eds.], 2017. World Hallmarks Vol II: Asia, Middle East, Africa, With Additional Comments on Non-Hallmarking Regions [Gold, Silver, Platinum, Palladium Hallmarks]. The Hallmark Research Institute). I have posted one additional date chart here that I have come across on the internet that extends the listings of Arabic date marks to 2009. There are some difference between this one and the previously posted table. However, only one discrepancy between these charts is mentioned below: for a Lattes manufactured 1st Class Grand Cordon example marked “F” (and for some possible later Arabic letter date hallmarks where they cannot be read with certainty and there are some contrasts between these 2 charts identification of this dates). Generally, most reporting on auction sites appear to use dating information congruent with the chart I posted on 12 September, 2018.  As the Order of Ismail's breast star is constructed from a silver embellishment surmounted by a gold and enameled star, both sets of marks can provide useful information. While I hope this information is of interest in relation to other Egyptian awards from comparable periods, this post is specifically about the hallmarks on the Order of Ismail, as placement and other variation seen here appears to be different on other awards. 

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    I wish to first illustrate some of the marks encountered on the Order of Ismail (and of course other Egyptian medals) and to illustrate the positions and some variations I have seen on photographs of these hallmarks. Below is the most comprehensive chart listing I have been able to find of these hallmarks, especially for assay offices other than Cairo (which are the most commonly illustrated on the internet). The assay office marks are the same for gold and silver. The superior Arabic marking (on 3-10 for gold and 14-16 for silver) is the assay office location and the lower Arabic mark is the metal purity. This comes from the Miles 1957 article, and I do not have comparable data that can be used to check his identifications, although I have checked this with other information as best I can. 

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    1=the country gold mark for Egypt (ibis); 2=King Farouk I's cipher used as the Egyptian gold mark from 1951-~1956; 3=the Cairo office's mark for 12 karat gold; 4=the Alexandria office's mark for 14 karat gold; 5=the Beni Suef office's mark for 18 karat gold; 6=the Tanta office's mark for 21 karat gold; 7=the El Mansoura office's mark for 23 1/2 karat gold; 8=the Zagazig office's mark for 12 karat gold; 9=the Asyut office's mark for 14 karat gold; 10=the Qena office's mark for 18 karat gold; 11=an example of the use of Arabic letters to indicate manufacturing dates from 1941 to the present (this example is probably for 1951-53); 12=the country mark for Egyptian silver after 1946 (lotus flower); 13=the country mark for Egyptian silver from 1916-1946; 14=the Cairo office's mark for 600 silver (60%); 15=the Alexandria office's mark for 800 silver (80%); 16=the Tanta office's mark for 900 silver (90%). From: George C. Miles 1957. A note on Egyptian gold and silver assay marks. Museum Notes(American Numismatic Society) vol 7; pp. 252-253. Below I illustrate a few additional examples of drawn hallmark designs and actual silver hallmarks since their execution and subsequent wear does show variation across pieces.  

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    Above from L to R are additional illustrations of the origin and fitness hallmarks for Egyptian silver: 1916-1946 country and precious metal mark for Egyptian silver (cat); the lotus flower country and precious metal mark for Egyptian silver after 1946; the next 3 images illustrate the fineness marks from the Cairo assay office for (from L to R) 600 silver; 800 silver (missing some detail in the Cairo office designation); and 900 silver. (all from:  http://www.chineseargent.com/home/egyptian-silver-hallmark

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    Two examples of the complete 3 hallmark sets: L=indicating (from left  to right) 800 silver mark assayed by the Cairo office; the pre-1946 cat mark for Egyptian silver, and the Roman date letter "I" for 1933-1934; R=another example of the 3 hallmarks identifying 900 silver assayed by the Qena office, post-1946 Egyptian silver manufacture, and the Arabic date letter (for 1978?) (all from: http://www.chineseargent.com/home/egyptian-silver-hallmark

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    Two additional sets of complete silver hallmarks. R=900 silver assayed by the Cairo office,  Egyptian silver made post-1946, and the Arabic date letter indicating manufacture from 1959-1961; 900 silver from the Cairo office, Egyptian silver made post-1946, and the Arabic date letter indicating manufacture. There are some allegedly genuine 900 silver fineness marks that show 2 dots to the right of the "9" indicating "900" rather than "90"(%). (from: http://www.chineseargent.com/home/egyptian-silver-hallmark)

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    Gold hallmarks from L to R: a stylized image of the ibis mark identifying Egyptian gold; fineness mark identifying 14 karat gold from the Cairo assay office; 18 karat gold from the Cario assay office. Note that the clarity of the assay office mark for both gold and silver is especially highly variable due to differences in the execution of the punch as well as subsequent wear. (from:http://www.chineseargent.com/home/egyptian-silver-hallmark)

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    The above first example I illustrate of hallmarks on the Order of Ismail is the same 3rd Class Commander’s neck badge made by J. Lattes from a January 2018 auction by eMedals that I illustrated in the final photograph of my post on 13 December, 2018 in this thread. The auction description identifies this neck badge as dating to c1925 and measuring 60.3 mm wide x 82.5 mm high (including the “suspension and loop”). The description correctly identified the mark as 18 k gold, and describing the “stork” hallmark identifying Egypt, and the “A” mark as dating it to 1925-26. This example is in the case of issue. The hallmark shown above is on the reverse right side of the crown suspension device, indicating 18 k gold from from the Cairo assay office. A blurry view of this same mark can be seen on my final illustration of the 13 December 2018 post. Only a few photographs of this mark are present on auction listings, so it is unclear how common it is and whether it always is present as a single fineness mark. (from: https://www.emedals.com/egypt-kingdom-an-order-of-ismail-in-gold-1st-class-commander-by-j-lattes-c-1925)

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    Obverse of the same Commander’s neck badge showing the placement of the three hallmarks on the right side of the suspension device arm connecting the superior  ray of the star with the crown suspension device. Several photos of this detail show the same placement of the full set of three hallmarks, at least for the 3rdClass Commander’s neck badge and the 2nd Class Grand Officer‘s neck badge made by J. Lattes of Cairo. There are not enough detailed images of the sash badge of the 1st Class Grand Cordon on auction sites to determine whether the same hallmarks are present on that device. At least one example of a neck badge of a Grand Cordon class made by Tewfik Bichay shows a similar placement of at least 1 hallmark (shown below). However, only a single hallmark is partly visible in that image, and it cannot be determined which hallmark it may be as it is blocked by the inferior portion of the crown suspension device (although see the note about the hallmark from the auction description in my text below). (from: https://www.emedals.com/egypt-kingdom-an-order-of-ismail-in-gold-1st-class-commander-by-j-lattes-c-1925)

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    Hallmarks on the reverse central boss of the same Commander’s neck badge showing the normal location of the set of 3 hallmarks centered below the “LATTES” manufacturer’s hallmark. Exampes made by Tewfik Bichay have different placement of the hallmarks (shown below). (from: https://www.emedals.com/egypt-kingdom-an-order-of-ismail-in-gold-1st-class-commander-by-j-lattes-c-1925)

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    Incorrectly 'repaired" example of a named 2nd Class Grand Officer breast star. This is from the same named award set to the Italian Physician Dr. Giovanni Quirico, physician to King Fuad I, that I illustrated in its case (Arabic #2 on lid=2ndclass) on 14 November, 2017 (4th photo in that post). I noted the incorrect rotation of the gold star in relation to the silver-faceted-rayed embellishment star below it. This higher resolution image of the same breast star has been rotated so that the gold star is in approximately its correct orientation. While the incorrect re-assembly of this named Grand Officer breast star is quite unfortunate, I am providing this illustration in relation to available close-ups of the hallmarks on the pin on the reverse, and this obverse view shows some aspects of the construction design not visible on intact examples of this star. I illustrated the envelope for the brevet in the 5th photo of that same post of 14 November 2017, and the brevet (395x253 mm), written in Arabic in the 6th photo. Neck star=85x62 mm; breast star=70 mm. (From: https://www.coins-la-galerie-numismatique.com/auction-33-day-1/order-ismail)

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    Gold hallmarks on the obverse face of Dr. Quirico’s Grand Officer Class neck badge showing the  right side of the suspension device. This is the same position as shown in the 2nd photo above of the Commander’s neck badge from 1925-1926 from the eMedals auction. This close-up photo is oriented to illustrate the hallmarks with the superior portion of the neck badge to the right and inferior to the left (the visible enameled finial ball is the superior arm of the star). The left hallmark indicates 18 karat gold assayed by the Cairo office. The central hallmark is the "stork" or ibis indicating Egypt. The “Z” hallmark on the right indicates the date beween 1924-25. Perhaps a more precise date can be gleaned in the Arabic text of the brevet shown in the 6th photo of my post of 14 November, 2017. (From: https://www.coins-la-galerie-numismatique.com/auction-33-day-1/order-ismail)

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    Gold hallmarks on the reverse face of the suspension loop of the Grand Officer Class neck badge of Dr. Quirico (behind the crown element). The left hallmark indicates 18 karat gold assayed by the Cairo office. The “Z” hallmark on the right indicates a date of 1924-1925. This set of hallmarks is the in the same position as that illustrated in the final photo of my 13 December, 2018 post showing the set of 3 hallmarks on the Commander’s neck badge from 1925-1926 that lacks a ribbon. Given how few images can be found of this portion of the suspension ring for the ribbon, it is unclear how common it is to have 2 or 3 hallmarks in this location. (From: https://www.coins-la-galerie-numismatique.com/auction-33-day-1/order-ismail)

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    Silver hallmarks on the reverse of the central tunic pin of the Grand Officer Class breast star of Dr. Quirico. The “S” visible in the background is from the “LATTES” hallmark. This image is oriented to show the hallmarks, with the superior portion of the breast star to the left and the inferior is to the right. The Silver hallmark on the left is the assay office mark for Cairo indicating 900 silver and the “Z” date is for 1924-25. Although some photos of the reverse of the chest star show the presence of this set of hallmarks on the tunic pin, few are high enough resolution to determine if they consistently exhibit 1 or 2 of the hallmarks. (From: https://www.coins-la-galerie-numismatique.com/auction-33-day-1/order-ismail)

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    Hallmarks on the central boss of a 3rd Class Commander’s neck badge from an August 2018 auction by eMedals. The description correctly identifies that the fineness mark indicates 18 karat gold (from the Cairo assay office), that the “stork” indicates Egyptian gold, and that the “A” dates the manufacture/hallmarking to 1925-1926. This Lattes example measures 61 mm wide x 79.5 mm tall, including the crown suspension device (probably only to the top of the crescent and star portions of the design). (From: https://www.emedals.com/egypt-kingdom-an-order-of-ismail-in-gold-1st-class-commander-by-j-lattes-c-8713)

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    Reverse of the right side of the crown suspension device on this same Commander’s neck badge showing the same isolated fineness mark identifying it as 18 karat gold from the Cairo assay office. (From: https://www.emedals.com/egypt-kingdom-an-order-of-ismail-in-gold-1st-class-commander-by-j-lattes-c-8713)

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    Image of the reverse of the suspension loop of the same Commander's neck badge showing the set of 3 Egyptian hallmarks in the same position as that shown in the final image of my 13 December, 2018 post and above for the 2 hallmarks on the named Dr. Quirico Grand Officer example. This example is unusual in also having an assay mark (European?) to the left of the Egyptian fineness hallmark that is identified in the auction description as reading “585”. This mark is upside down in relation to the Egyptian marks, and may be the result of a later assay of this piece outside of Egypt. This 585 mark is surprising as that would indicate 14 karat gold (“750” would indicate 18 karat gold), suggesting a discrepancy between the purity identified in the original Egyptian assay and this other (later?) test (possibly outside of Egypt?). (From: https://www.emedals.com/egypt-kingdom-an-order-of-ismail-in-gold-1st-class-commander-by-j-lattes-c-8713)

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    Hallmarks on the reverse central boss of a Lattes manufactured 3rd Class Commander’s neck badge from an April 2017 auction on the Sixbid.com website, showing good detail and some wear. The badge is identified as measuring 62 mm wide x 81 mm high and weight 47.8 g. (From: https://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=3427&category=71681&lot=2842251)

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    Reverse of a 4th Class Knight’s breast badge made by J. Lattes from an October 2017 auction by eMedals. The obverse of this medal is illustrated in the 4th photo on my post of 13 December, 2018 in this thread. The auction description identifies this medal as 54.8 mm wide x 76 mm high, including the crown suspension device. No date is identified in the description of this piece. This image shows the placement of the 3 silver hallmarks on the inferior central ray of the rayed and facetted silver embellishment. This is the most common position for this set of silver hallmarks for the Knight’s medal. The placement of these silver hallmarks on the 2nd Class Grand Officer’s breast star and on the 1st Class Grand Cordon breast star is normally slightly more superior, because of the position of the catch for the tunic pin (see below). No gold hallmarks are visible on the reverse of the gold rays in this or the other photos of this medal, although some other examples (from other classes) clearly show such hallmarks (see below). The resolution is too low to read the silver hallmarks with certainty. (From: https://www.emedals.com/egypt-a-french-made-order-of-ismail-officer-by-lattes)

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    Above are two additional oblique images of both the reverse and obverse of this same Knight’s breast star showing some additional construction details (and the placement of the silver hallmarks on the reverse) that are not visible in full direct obverse and reverse photographs. (From: https://www.emedals.com/egypt-a-french-made-order-of-ismail-officer-by-lattes)

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    Reverse of a 2nd Class Grand Officer’s breast star from an example from a December 2017 auction on eBay. This is from set of the neck badge and breast star that is in its original case. This is an interesting Lattes example because of a slightly unusual placement of the silver hallmarks on the rightmost long ray of the silver rayed and facetted embellishment rather than on the central ray. The 3 gold hallmarks also are visible on the lower right arm of the gold star. The 2 hallmarks on the tunic pin also are visible showing the fineness (Cairo assay office 900 silver) and date (“Z”=1924-1925) hallmarks. (From: https://www.ebay.com/itm/EGYPT-ORDER-OF-THE-ISMAIL-2ND-CLASS-GRAND-OFFICER-ORIGINAL-CASE-RIBBON-RARE/222734299477?hash=item33dbffb155:g:5jQAAOSwQwBZkILL)

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    Close-up view of the same Grand Officer’s breast star from the eBay auction showing details of the silver and gold hallmarks. The silver hallmarks show the Cairo assay office 900 silver mark, the pre-1946 Egyptian silver cat mark, and the “Z” date hallmark. The gold hallmarks show the Cairo assay office 18 karat designation, the ibis mark for Egyptian gold,, and the “Z” date hallmark. Placement of the gold hallmarks appears to be more common on the reverse upper right arm in the few photos of other examples that show these marks (see below). (From: https://www.ebay.com/itm/EGYPT-ORDER-OF-THE-ISMAIL-2ND-CLASS-GRAND-OFFICER-ORIGINAL-CASE-RIBBON-RARE/222734299477?hash=item33dbffb155:g:5jQAAOSwQwBZkILL)

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    The gold hallmarks on the reverse central boss of the Grand Officer’s neck badge from this same set auction on eBay. (From: https://www.ebay.com/itm/EGYPT-ORDER-OF-THE-ISMAIL-2ND-CLASS-GRAND-OFFICER-ORIGINAL-CASE-RIBBON-RARE/222734299477?hash=item33dbffb155:g:5jQAAOSwQwBZkILL)

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    Reverse of a 1st Class Grand Cordon breast star from a pre-2016 auction by eMedals. I illustrated the obverse of this example in the first 2 photos of my post of 13 November, 2017 on this thread, and posted this image of the reverse in the 2nd photo of that post. I also posted images of the obverse of the sash badge of this set that show the position of the obverse hallmarks on the suspension device (2 hallmarks are visible in the 4th photo in that post) and the 3 hallmarks on the reverse of the suspension loop (5th photo on that post). The auction description of this breast star identifies this example as 81 mm in diameter, and it also incorrectly states that it is 22 karat gold. The silver hallmarks are visible with the tunic pin opened on the lower portion of the silver embellishment aligned with the central ray. In contrast with the previous example the gold hallmarks are visible on the upper right ray of the gold and enameled star. (From: https://www.emedals.com/order-of-ismail-1915-w01271)

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    Reverse of the same Grand Cordon breast star with the tunic pin closed, showing no silver hallmarks on the pin. (From: https://www.emedals.com/order-of-ismail-1915-w01271)

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    Close-up image of the silver hallmarks on the same Grand Cordon breast star. The inferior margin of the star is to the right and he superior margin to the left. This photo shows significant wear on the fineness hallmark, but it is the Cairo assay office's 900 silver mark. The country and precious metal hallmark is the pre-1946 cat, and the “F” date mark (the first table I uploaded on 12 September, 2018 identifies this mark as 1931-1932, but the second table I included in this post identifies “F” as 1930-1931). (From: https://www.emedals.com/order-of-ismail-1915-w01271)

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    Close-up view of the gold hallmarks on the upper right arm of the star on the same Grand Officer’s breast star. The image is oriented correctly and so that the superior portion of the piece is upwards in the photo. The hallmarks identify the Cairo assay office determination of 18 karat gold, the Egyptian gold ibis mark, and the “F” date hallmark.  (From: https://www.emedals.com/order-of-ismail-1915-w01271)

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    Photo of a 1st Class set of the Grand Cordon Class of the Order of Ismail, sash badge and breast star but lacking the sash, made by Tewfick Bichay of Cairo from a Fall 2014 auction of Künker Münzauktionen und Goldhandel. I posted the un-cropped version of this photo in my second post of 30 April, 2018 on this thread. These are high-resolution images that can be enlarged. The auction description identifies that the sash badge weight as 49.2 g (no size dimensions given), and states that the breast star measures 82 mm. The description also states that the gold hallmarks identifies 750 point fineness of the gold (=18 k) on the reverse of the suspension ring & reverse of the crown suspension device. It also identifies a hallmark "د" on the suspension ring (almost certainly the obverse?), that might be a date hallmark for 1948-1949 or 1951-53 (by both the chart I posted on 12 September, 2018 and in this post). However, such a date would be at odds with the other information in the auction description. The silver hallmarks on the reverse of the breast star are identified in the auction description as that of the Cairo assay office and 900 silver. It also states the country mark is the pre-1946 cat, followed by a silver date mark of "D" that is stated to represent 1929. I cannot read the silver hallmarks in the photo. Both the date chart I posted on 12 September, 2018 and the chart I posted today identify "D" as the hallmark for 1928-1929. The auction description identifies the gold hallmarks on the reverse of the arms of the gold star (of the breast star) as the Cairo assay office mark for 750 Gold (18 karat), the Egyptian country hallmark for gold (ibis), and describes the final (rightmost) hallmark as  “ح” on the "pin" ( ["Nadel"]=most distal and near the finial of the star's arm?) with two "side" or "to the side" (?)["seitlichen]) "marks"(? ["Fixierhacken" “...und Punze "ح", an Nadel, mit zwei seitlichen Fixierhaken“-sorry my technical German its doch gar schlecht). The image above of the reverse of the sash badge shows similar placement of gold hallmarks on the suspension ring’s reverse as seen on other examples of the Commander’s and Grand Officer neck badges shown in this post (but as the auction description notes, just 2 marks are present=Cairo assay office marks for 18 karat gold and a probable date mark I cannot read). These are in a similar position to those on Lattes examples, but only 2 hallmarks are present and they are slightly offset to the left underneath the Tewfik Bichay hallmark (compared with the centered marks seen on the reverse boss of Commander’s and Grand Officer’s neck badges by Lattes). The left hallmark is the Cairo assay office mark for 18 karat gold and the right is the date hallmark (that I cannot read with certainty). The reverse of the breast star shows slightly different placement of the silver & gold hallmarks from those of J. Lattes of Cairo in the few auction images of the reverse of the Grand Cordon or Grand Officer classes that provide illustrations useful for locating these hallmarks. The silver hallmarks can be seen in the lower right set of rays rather than the more inferior position as on most all of the Lattes examples. The gold hallmarks can be seen on the lower right arm of the star. No hallmark is visible on the pin, unlike many examples illustrated of Lattes' medals. (From: https://www.kuenker.de/en/archiv/stueck/58396)

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    The obverse of sash badge from the same Grand Cordon Künker set. This example shows the single hallmark visible on the right suspension arm connecting the superior star arm with the crown suspension device. As noted previously, this is the same position of hallmarks on examples of the Commander’s and on Grand Officer’s neck badges made by Lattes. This single hallmark is visible on the right hand suspension device just below the base of the crown, but as this portion is obscured it is unclear whether any additional hallmarks also are present in this location, as they are on Lattes' versions of this award. The auction description identifies the hallmark "د" on the suspension ring, in a separate sentence from the statement about the marks on the reverse of the crown and suspension ring, presumably referring to this mark on the obverse suspension arm and suggesting there is only one hallmark here. (From: https://www.kuenker.de/en/archiv/stueck/58396)

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    A set auctioned by Sixbid in November of 2012 identified as the 2nd Class Grand Officer Class neck badge and breast star showing low-resolution images of the hallmarks on the reverse. This is the same photo I posted in the first image on my post of December 4, 2017 in this same thread.The auction listing incorrectly identifies that maker as “St Dionay”. Owain identified this as the Fahmy Tewfik Bichay (son of Tewfik Bichay) hallmark in his 5 April, 2018 post on this thread with excellent photos of the reverse hallmark on a comparable example of the 3rd Class Commander's neck badge. Owain’s example also shows the placement of possibly two gold hallmarks on the lower right (~5:30 position) of the central reverse boss. The illustrated silver hallmarks on the reverse of the breast star are similarly configured to those of the Fahmy Tewfik Bichay gold hallmarks on the neck badge. The positions of any gold or silver hallmarks on these 2 pieces cannot be determined from the photos. The other variant design element is the use of a suspension ring between the neck badge star (piecing the superior arm of the star) and the crown suspension device rather than the more common “arms” connecting the superior star arm with the crown.  This form of the hallmark of Tewfik Bichay and the use of the suspension ring also is seen in the example of the 3rd Class Commander’s neck badge illustrated by Owain on 5 April, 2018 in this thread. That illustration shows the hallmark in good detail and this alternate form of the suspension loop and crown. As per my comment on the engraving on the obverse face of Owain’s example (of 21 April, 2018), note that the Kuenker example of the 1st Class Tewfik Bichay manufactured award clearly shows the engraving on the gold floral embellishments in the blue enameled arms of the neck star, unlike Owain’s example and possibly in this neck badge and breast star that also carry the same form of Tewfik Bichay’s hallmark. (From: https://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=515&category=11656&lot=539476

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    Reverse of a 3rd Class Commander’s neck badge posted by Owain Raw-Rees on this thread on 5 April, 2018, as noted above for the Sixbid.com example with the same Fahmy Tewfik Bichay manufacturer's hallmark. Owain’s example shows the placement of two gold hallmarks on the lower right (~5:30 position) of the central reverse boss. I cannot read them in this image, perhaps Owain can, but it is likely there are a fineness mark and a date mark. The probable date mark on the right is fairly clear, but I cannot match it with the marks on either date hallmark charts I have posted here (possibly the first of the listed 1982 marks on the chart in this post?-suggesting this is a monarchy in exile award). 

     


  11. Markus recently illustrated a couple nice exmples of the Order of Ismail from a Spink auction in the thread "Interesting Egyptian orders in Spink Auction" he started on 28 November here in the "Middle East & Arab States" section. That posting made me realize that I have not systematized the measurements provided on some auction sites and a few other references that may help distinguish the different classes of this order. That Spink auction listing provided dimensions of the medals, but did not identify the classes of the two examples being auctioned. For some distinctions, size clearly indicates which class these are. The "identification" of some of the classes is not always correct in these listings. That is understandable in relation to some of the regalia for this Order, especially the neck badge of the 2nd Class Grand Officer and the 3rd Class Commander (neck badge only) that appear to be the same dimensions, and possible also the sash badge of the 1st Class Grand Cordon when separated from the sash. However, enough other errors in assignments of class could be resolved through comparisons of any provided measurements that this seems to be a useful bit of information to include in this thread. There is some variation in the dimensions provided on various websites, principally it seems in where the measurement is taken on the suspension device for the vertical dimension. I may have looked at enough photos and descriptions to provide a pretty good key to the sizes. I apologize for the redundancies in descriptions and images with previous posts, but wanted to provide these data in a systematic way in one post.  

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    1st Class Grand Cordon (sash, sash badge, and breast star worn on the wearer's left) (From:https://www.spink.com/lot/17003000028)

    The sash badge is 62 mm wide by 80 mm tall (including the crown suspension device to the top of the crescent and star). Some examples are identified as 82 mm tall, and this likely includes the suspension loop as well, but it is not always clear in the description). A few examples' widths are identified at 61.5 or even 60, but enough examples are identified as 62 mm wide that appears to be the most likely dimension. The JOMSA (2006, Vol 57 [4]: 20) description of this badge identifies it as 62 mm in diameter (excluding the suspension device) and 82 mm including the suspension.  The best measurement sources from auction sites appear to be from eMedals listings. Most of these examples with measurements were made by Lattes of Cairo. There is some disagreement whether the sash badge is 22k or 18k gold (see final illustration and note below). I have not found weights for most examples, but one by Tewfik Bichay is identified as 49.2 g on the German auction site Kuenker that provides more detailed information about the purity of the gold and silver than is available on other listings (https://www.kuenker.de/en/archiv/stueck/58396). This badge also has portions that are silver gilt, and enameled. As noted in the same JOMSA description, the sash is 100 mm wide with 9 mm lateral red stripe inset 2 mm from each badge. 

    The breast star is fairly consistently identified as 80 mm in diameter in auction listings, although some examples are reported to be 81 mm or 82 mm. The cited JOMSA article published 84 mm as the diameter measurement. Again, it is unclear whether the badges gold is 22k or 18k. The star also has components that are silver, silver gilt, and the enameling.

     

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    2nd Class Grand Officer (neck badge and breast star worn on the wearer's right) (From: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kelisli/8844318688

    The neck badge is variously reported as 78 mm-85 mm tall. The most reliable measurements seem to fall between 78 - 79.5 mm identified as to the superior portion of the crown suspension, crescent & star (they do not always specify that the suspension loop is excluded from this dimension). A couple identified measurements are 85 mm tall, but this appears to be including the suspension loop. The width is most commonly identified as 61 mm, although 60 mm & 62 also are reported. Where reported, the weight is identified as ~47 g or 48.6 g.  It appears the neck badge is both the same design and dimension as the sash badge of the 1st Class award and the neck badge of the 3rd Class award. The above cited JOMSA article identifies the neck ribbon as 37 mm wide with 5 mm red stripes set 1 mm from each edge. 

    The breast star is pretty consistently identified as  70 mm in diameter. The same materials are identified in the manufacture of the neck badge and breast star (gold, silver, silverer gilt, & enamel) as for the 1st Class, but the gold is variously reported as 22k or 18k (again, see final note below). The weight  of the breast star is reported between 81 and 81.25 g. 

     

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    3rd Class Commander (neck badge only) (From: https://www.emedals.com/egypt-kingdom-an-order-of-ismail-in-gold-1st-class-commander-by-j-lattes-c-1925)

    The neck badge appears to be the same dimension as that for the 2nd Class award and the sash badge of the 1st Class. There is a fair bit of variation in the dimensions that are reported for examples where it seems to be a fairly secure identification of the 3rd Class. The most consistent reporting is that is it 61 mm wide and 78-79.5 mm tall. Some listings identify it as up to 82 mm tall, and this variation again appears to be likely due to various measurements either to the top of the crown and star or including the suspension loop. Also variously reported as 22k or 18k gold (see illustration of the hallmarks on the suspension loop of this badge on the final image below and the note). Several websites identify the weight as 48.6 g.  

     

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    4th Class Knight (breast badge with ribbon adorned with rosette) (From: https://www.emedals.com/egypt-a-french-made-order-of-ismail-officer-by-lattes)

    The breast badge is reported as 54.8 mm wide, a couple listings state 55 mm and one identifies it as 58 mm (?). The height is reported between 74 and 76, again probably due to differences in whether the suspension loop is included or only the crown with crescent and star. The materials are almost certainly the same as those of the larger 1st Class and 2nd Class breast stars. 

     

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    Miniatures (from:https://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=5367&category=168960&lot=4479892

    All unambiguously genuine miniatures appear to be of the form I noted in my last post here of 10 November, 2018 and shown above. All of these examples are identified as measuring  20 mm wide x 30 mm tall (and seem to include only the suspension crown, crescent and star and not include the suspension loop). As posted above, the illustrated example is the 4th Class Knight miniature (in my 10 November posting, I mistakenly identified this mini as also on the L, the same side as the 3rd Class Commander mini with silver galon).  All examples where materials are identified are silver or silver gilt and enamel. 

     

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    Gold Hallmarks

    A good quality close-up image of the hallmarks on suspension loop the same 3rd Class Commander neck badge shown above (https://www.emedals.com/egypt-kingdom-an-order-of-ismail-in-gold-1st-class-commander-by-j-lattes-c-1925). These are the same hallmarks that appear on the gold of most other examples as well. The hallmark on the left is the purity of the gold, and this mark appears to indicate 18k gold. The bird in the middle hallmark is usually identified as a stork, and is the Egyptian hallmark for gold. The "A" indicates a manufacture date of 1925-26. 


  12.  I have been using a jumble of terminology to refer to the design elements on the Mixed Courts judicial badge. I wanted to extend some of the information on the  components of the badge symbols here so that I can bring my terms in line with more standard usage. 

    Egyptian Zogist contributed an image of the French July Monarchy (1830-1848) coat of arms on 23 November 2016 on this thread, pointing out the similarities between the judicial badge design and the French coat of arms. That image shows the mantle (that I have been calling the "drapery" here in several descriptions), the tablet of law, and two crossed scepters behind the mantle that includes one on the left that shows that "hand of justice", and the mantle is surmounted with a royal crown. I illustrated two French coat of arms on 24 March, 2017  on this thread that also are framed with the royal mantle surmounted with a crown and having 2 crossed scepter with the left one having the hand of justice. 

    The coat of arms used as the basis for the configuration of the Mixed Courts badges probably derives from French versions of this design, although it also has significant similarities to those used by other European royalty. For example, the following example is the coat of arms of the German Counts zu Pappenheim (from: https://www.napoleon.org/en/history-of-the-two-empires/the-symbols-of-empire/; an excerpted set of examples posted by Andrew Andersen from von Volboth, Carl Alexander, 1973. Heraldry of the World. Copenhagen). This shows the use of the royal ermine lined mantle with crown exhibiting the mantle's the upper corners tied with a gold tassel. 

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    The following is the form of Napoleon's coat of arms he approved on 10 July, 1804 after being proclaimed Emperor in May of that year. This example is interesting for the similarities to the Mixed Courts judges badge  in the form of the mantle, the royal crown, the crossed scepters that includes the lefthand one exhibiting the hand of justice, and the Chain of the Légion d'honneur surrounding he central shield with the emblem of the Order in the central inferior position on the coat of arms (as seen on the 2 French examples on my 24 March, 2017 post on this thread). From: https://www.napoleon.org/en/history-of-the-two-empires/the-symbols-of-empire/

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    Below are two Egyptian examples from the reign of Khedive Isma'il Pasha (rule=1863-1879) that show adaptations of the French coat of arms to Egyptian/Ottoman symbolism that is reflected in the form of the Mixed Courts judicial badge. Khedive Isma'il Pasha created the Mixed Courts in October 1875 following the proposed bold reforms the Egyptian legal system developed by Nubar Pasha. These images are from http://www.hubert-herald.nl/EgyptKingdom.htm and use the term "achievement" to identify the forms and symbolism of these coats of arms. 

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    The Hubert de Vries website identifies this configuration of the "achievement" as the form Isma'il Pasha created after his promotion to Khedive (1863). Changes from previous versions includes the substitution of tughs for the 6 scepters that were featured in previous versions. Tugh is a Turkish word, possibly derived from Chinese (tu) and Uyghur (tugh), identifying rods with horsetails that are a military standard with various historical uses (I have been inappropriately calling these "whisks"). The substitution of tughs for the more European form of scepters and the inferior presence of a medal of the Order of the Crescent (instituted 1799) provide more Turkish (Ottoman) embellishments to this coat of arms. http://www.hubert-herald.nl/EgyptKingdom.htm.

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    This second versions of the Khedive Isma'il coat of arms substitutes the Ottoman Order of Medjidie as the medal in the inferior position below the Azure arms with a crescent and 3 stars. This example also shows the ermine tails on the interior of the royal mantle quite well. This design change occurred sometime after Khedive Isma'il was awarded the Order of Medjidie in a special class with brilliants in 1863. The Order of Medjidie (created in 1851) is the award featured on the inferior margin of the mantle of the Mixed Courts judicial badge, that I have been referring to as a "tugra". The judicial badge shows the stylized Ottoman Tugra at the center of the medallion of this award. There is insufficient detail to know if it intended to represent the Tugra of the Sultan Abdülaziz (the 32nd Ottoman Sultan, reign=1861-1876), who was Sultan at the time the Mixed Courts were established (1875), or simply to indicate the Ottoman control over Egypt. http://www.hubert-herald.nl/EgyptKingdom.htm

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    Khedive Abbas Hilmi II used similar forms of the above coats of arms, occasionally without the the tughs, and at least one form does not have a second crown above the central medallion with the crescent and 3 stars. This version above is identified as a military coat of arms ("achievement') probably from the time of Abbas Hilmi II (note the crossed cannon, rifles with bayonets, probably spears, and tughs as additional military weapons and symbols behind the shield, similar to weapons shown on the Ottoman Empire coat of arms). It is notable in comparison with the Mixed Courts judicial badge for the substitution of a five pointed star with rays above the central medallion rather than another crown (as seen on the Mixed Courts judicial badge). This coat of arms also shows the Order of Medjidie at the inferior position below the central shield.  http://www.hubert-herald.nl/EgyptKingdom.htm

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    Detail of the Order of Medjidie symbol on the inferior margin of the silver Mixed Courts Judicial badge (this is the example that is supposedly attributed to Judge Herbert Mills: http://www.dreweatts.com/auctions/lot-details/?saleId=13863&lotId=175). This high resolution image shows good detail of the form of the Ottoman tugra on the depiction of the Order of Medjidie with its crescent & star suspension device. The tufts of ermine tails and the textured interior indicating fur lining of the royal mantle also are clearly evident in this close-up image. 

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    The tugra of the 32nd Ottoman Sultan Sultan Abdülaziz (the 32nd Ottoman Sultan, reign=1861-1876), who was Sultan at the time the Mixed Courts were established (1875). Although the name portion of the tugra cannot be read in the stand portion (the lowermost component) of the tugra on the judicial badge, most of the form of the cipher is formulaic & artistic calligraphy, and that is what is shown on the Mixed Courts judges' badges. from: http://www.tugra.org/en/tugralar.asp

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    The same silver Mixed Courts judicial badge attributed to Judge Herbert Mills (http://www.dreweatts.com/auctions/lot-details/?saleId=13863&lotId=175) repeated here to illustrate the design elements of this badge. The form of the surmounting crown over the fringed and ermne-lined royal mantle is called the "Princely Crown"  and was used from 1854 until ~1922. It is based on European style crown with a purple velvet cap, a diadem that often is shown with 5 leaves & 5 hoops (but on the judicial badge has 7 leaves & 7 hoops) and is surmounted by the crescent & star (from 1923-1952 a versions called the Egyptian Royal Crown was used with five pairs of papyrus blossoms, 5 hoops, and surmounted with a globe supporting the star & crescent). The judicial hand on the distal portion of the L side tugh appears to be derived from a Christian symbol (sometimes called the hand of benediction with the 4th & 5th fingers bent over the palm). The branch of oak leaves & acorns on the L side of the judicial tablet also derive from European heraldic use, considered emblematic of faith and endurance. The branch of laurel on the R is used in European heraldry as a symbol of victory, especially triumph and fame that is won after long internal struggles. The rays around the margins of the badge (as well as the star with rays above the central tablet) may be an adaptation of the symbolism of the Ottoman sun. The inscription on the central tablet reads: "Justice is the foundation of kingship/governance" as translated by Egyptian Zogist on 23 November, 2016. 

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    Left is the Princely Crown used from 1854 to ~1922. On the right is the Egyptian Royal Crown used from 1923-1952. (http://www.hubert-herald.nl/EgyptKingdom.htm)


  13. I came across this unusual pin or badge on The Saleroom website for an upcoming auction by Bamfords Auctioneers & Valuers (https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/bamfords/catalogue-id-bamfor10553/lot-546dbbb8-f7b1-4f6a-a2ba-a9a0009cb8b5 and http://www.bamfords-auctions.co.uk/auctions/21-11-2018-gentlemans-library-and-grand-tour-of-auction-curiosities-sale/lot-3620A/img-0/). This is lot 3620A that is misidentified as the "Order of the Khedive". It is 11.5 cm high, the same size as the Mixed Courts judicial badges, and may be silver gilt, with enamel. The auctioneer identifies it as a medal from the Kingdom of Egypt, dating to the early 20th century. I have never seen another example of the Mixed Courts judicial badge in this form. It is unclear whether this full sized "replica" would have had any official function or if it may be a unique large pin that was personal jewelry rather than a component of any judicial regalia. The reverse does appear to have a makers' mark, and it may be a "Horovitz" mark from what I can see in the low resolution image. I am unsure whether this would be an actual Horovitz construction or a copy that includes this manufacturer's name. It also does have silver hallmarks in the same locations that they appear on the fully-detailed badges (however, the resolution of the images is too low to read the hallmarks). 

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    Obverse of this unusual, full-sized "imitation " of the judicial badge design showing the dramatically abbreviated versions of the design elements of the Mixed Courts badge. Note the whisk on the upper L repeats the crescent motif (normally seen only on the upper R) rather than the hand. The white enamel around the tugra medallion (lacking any indication of the cipher) has no indication of the 7 pointed multi-rayed star nor the crescent & star that is usually suspended below the crossing point of the oak & laurel branches below the tablet with the inscription. Silver & enamel. 

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    Reverse of this unusual pin or badge showing manufacturers' and silver hallmarks. The silver hallmarks near the inferior portion of the lower relief area under the pin and on the pin just proximal of the union of the double tongue with the single pin of the distal portion this tube hinge pin. Just to the left of the silver hallmarks on the pin ~ 3.5 letters are visible that may be "HOROV...". Marks on the upper left quadrant of the reverse, and on the tablet with the inscription of the obverse, show that this piece was cast not struck (as is also clear in the form of the obverse design). 


  14. Below is an example of the Mixed Courts judicial badge from a current eBay auction (https://www.ebay.com/itm/EGYPT-KING-FAROUK-SILVER-GILT-ENAMEL-JUDGE-BADGE-IN-ORIGINAL-CASE-XXX-RARE/223228334558?hash=item33f97211de:g:1o0AAOSwBURb6gap). This is the only example I have encountered that is clearly identified as having been made by W. Horovitz of Alexandria. It is possible that the reverse of the gold Appeals Court badge Illustrated in the 5th photo on 24 March, 2017 indicates it was made by Horovitz. The resolution of this image is not good enough to read the name on the hallmark that is mostly obscured by the pin. When I first saw it on flickr it looked as though it stated with "MO"  (but is probably "HO") and the ending of the hallmark now looks as though it may be "TZ". I am nearly certain that gold example is a Horovitz manufacture, only since finding that name associated with the badge I am illustrating here. Wolf Horovitz was a Romanian jeweler who settled in Alexandria, kept his business on the Rue Chérif Pacha and became a leading jeweler and watchmaker. His clientele were wealthy Egyptians and the Royal Court of King Fuad I and Farouk I. Much of the material he sold was obtained or manufactured in Paris (often hallmarked as made for Horovitz). The badge was originally designed by Froment-Meurice of Paris, and most auction examples are made either by Froment-Meurice or Stobbe of Alexandria. I have seen several examples with no manufacturer's hallmarks (some illustrated on this thread). Supposedly, these badges also were made by Lattes of Cairo, Tewfik Bichay of Cairo, and M. Laurencin & Cie. of Alexandria, although I have never seen a photo of the hallmarks of any of these manufacturers on any examples of the Mixed Court badges. This Horovitz badge is identified as measuring 115 x 85 mm, and weighs 161 g. The badge is gilt silver and is being sold in its original case. There are some slightly less detailed aspects of the engraving of this example compared with other badges, i.e., the hair on the whisks in each upper corner are less detailed than on many examples, the fringe & border design on the drapery is less detailed and in lower relief, as are the tassels on each of the drapery corners (all of this lesser detail is similar to the 2nd example I illustrated on 31 October, 2018 made by Stobbe), some of the leaves around the central tablet may be less detailed, and the crown also appears to be in lower relief (although some other badges may also exhibit this level of detail of the crown, or it could just be the perspective the photo  provides). The wreath around the lower star & tug is made of larger, less detailed leaves than many of the judicial badges made by Froment-Meurice and Stobbe. However the wreath appears similar to that of the badge I illustrated on this thread in the 1st photo on 31 October, 2018 that was made by Froment-Meurice (although other aspects of the design appear more detailed in that example). The hallmark "N" on the reverse of this Horovitz badge and on the pin indicates a manufacturing date of 1938-39. This badge is supposedly identified as having been used in the Alexandria Courts during the reign of King Farouk I in 1937-38. As a silver badge, this should have been worn by a judge of the Parquet (office of the Procureur-General who prosecuted cases in front of the Mixed Courts). 

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    Obverse of this silver Parquet badge of the Mixed Courts made by Horovitz of Alexandria showing several of the lower relief details in the fringe & border design of the drapery, the tassels in each upper corner, the whisks in each upper corner of the drapery, possible in details of some of the leaves surrounding the central tablet & inscription. The calligraphy on the legend is executed in thinner enamel lines than most other examples, with a few differences not seen on other badges. 

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    Reverse of the Horovitz judicial badge

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    The Horovitz judicial badge in its case.

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    The W. Horovitz name and address (26 Rue Chérif Pacha, Alexandria) inside the lid of the case. This business was listed as still existing on Rue Chérif Pacha at least as late as 1970. 

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    The interior of the case showing the fit for the back pin of the badge. 

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    Detail of the badge reverse showing the Horovitz hallmark and the 3 silver hallmarks including an "N" indicating a manufacturing date of 1928-39.

    s-l1600-5.thumb.jpg.313c00c68e3957d09fab1ac0095ab9bb.jpg Detail of the tablet and surrounding decoration showing some of the lower relief detail of this maker's version of the judicial badge. 

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    Postcard showing the Rue Chérif Pacha in Alexandria, probably between 1900-1910. (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/Alexandrie_Rue_Cherif_Pacha.jpg).

     


  15. The monarchy in exile version of the Order of Mohamed Ali illustrated in the Spink catalogue is the same design as the pre-1952 revolution period award. As I understand what 922F indicated in his 22 April, 2018 post on the "Question about the Order of Ismail/Nishan al-Ismail" thread is that the Nishan al-Noor, Order of Light (that Spink lists as the Order of Women) is a new design that has no pre-revolution equivalent. 


  16. Anyone who loves the the Order of Ismail is a pal in my book. You also reminded me I should try to codify measurements for each class. Many of the "identifications" I see on auction sites are problematic, but some do provide metrics, and I may have looked at enough examples now to be able figure out the correct dimensions. That would be a useful addition to my Order of Ismail thread, so thanks for providing me something else I could contribute there. 

    Cheers!


  17. Thanks for illustrating these offerings. At 72 mm in diameter, the Order of Ismail chest star represents the 2nd Class Grand Officer version. The "B" mark indicates a date of 1927-28. The neck badge is either a 2nd Class Grand Officer or 3rd Class Commander award. I believe that both the 2nd & 3rd Classes are the same diameter, but I am looking through some other auction data to see if there is any difference in sizes between well-identified examples of the Grand Officer and Commander classes of the neck  badge. The "Z" mark on the neck badge indicates a 1924-25 date. The auction description does not suggest they are a Grand Officer set, and if the dates are correct that also would indicate there are not associated. 

    922F provided an illustration of the new monarchy in exile award of the Nishan al-Noor, Order of Light (that Spink lists as the Order of Women), on his post of 22 April, 2018 on the thread "Question about the Order of Ismail/Nishan al-Ismail" I started on 7 November, 2017 here in the Middle East & Arab States section.  He also stated that the Order of Mohammed Ali is one of the Orders that the monarchy in exile still awards (this Spink example is identical to the pre-1952 Grand Cordon award, one of King Fuad II's favorite to wear along with the Order of Ismail and Order of the Nile. 


  18. I missed the editing window in relation to the last miniature of the Jordanian Hashemite Kingdom Order of Independence shown above on my 2nd post of 17 November, 2018. The catalog identified this medal set as a "Commander's Set", however this 2nd Class award would be that of the Grand Officer. The salon  on the ribbon with gold on the L and silver on the R is the correct configuration for the Grand Officer, 2nd Class of this award. 


  19. Lmaas1, you are most welcome, it's a pleasure to discuss some of these issues from my professional work here on GMIC. Nocks are sometimes cut off or trimmed if they became damaged. Additionally, even without a nock plug, folks may not carve a groove in the nock, but they may develop one from use and wear on the string. All of the nock ends of the arrows I illustrated in the 3rd photo of my post of 10 January 2018 on the "South American bows and arrows " thread to show the different fletching are flat, reinforced nocks that may develop a groove from the bowstring but do not have any carved into the mainsheet. Some museum examples from the River Pumé (who live along major drainages of the Orinoco and are not mobile foragers like the Savanna Pumé and grow a variety of crops) that I have examined exhibit wooden nock plugs, so there can be significant variation even within one ethnicity. 

    The lanceolate arrows would be used for larger game, and that is dependent on the geographical area of course. Let's continue to work with the idea that these may be South American arrows. The folks I work with in Venezuela have a very impoverished fauna, that kind of open savanna is associated with low soil fertility and the low underbrush cover that has a negative relationship on animal density & diversity. The Pumé rely on small body sized animals for 87% of all captured game in the wet season when they focus on terrestrial hunting for their protein (In the dry season they shift to fishing), principally using the same fishing arrows to catch those animals. 3 species; armadillos (max 900 g), tegu lizards(~700-900 g), and small 100 g lizards were 87% of all hunting captures in my quantified data. Any animal that was 6 kg or larger was shared with the entire camp of ~63 people (including children). I've seen them use lanceolate points to hunt anteaters and deer, caimans  are captured with a harpoon & dispatch with a machete. For many S. American indigenous groups, they don't even bother spending time pursuing animals that are just 6 kgs, unless it is late in the day and they are unlikely to encounter additional game. For the Pumé, "large game" includes lesser anteaters (~ 6 kg), caimans (up to 60 kg), giant anteaters (~35 kg, I have been on trips when we found sign of these but I've never seen one killed), capybara (~50 kg), pacas & agoutis (max 10kg, I've been on trips where we encounter them but didn't capture any), peccaries (20-35 kg, I've seen sign but never encountered any); tapir (up to 200 kg, I've never seen them in the wild and only eaten tapir at a criollo's house once),  and deer (brocket =mx30 kg; white tail=50-120 kg). An inventory of all the larger game (6 kg or larger) that came into camp over a 24-month period included 2 deer, 1 capybara, 6 lesser anteaters, and 7 caimans. Most South American groups are forest dwellers, and long, barbed monkey arrows are common for those animals. Large game for most S. American indigenous groups in forests includes deer (brocket & white tail); tapir; peccaries (collared & white-lipped); caimans, pacas & agoutis, giant armadillos, some groups may eat giant otters, a few groups will eat anacondas. 

    Very few traditional folk do any kinds of target practice. That is why I posted the unusual images of boys doing target practice in the first 4 photos of my post of 9 March, 2018 on the "South American bows and arrows" thread. Those were the only 2 such events I have witnessed in over 30 months of fieldwork with the Pumé. Warfare is common only among a few groups in South America. Some groups, such as the well-known bellicose Yanomami will use their large, lanceolate points (made from a kind of bamboo) that are their large game arrows in ambush raids to shoot people. Many groups (such as the formerly more belligerent Guahiboan group of Colombia and Venezuela that surround the Pumé) would make specialized war arrows with a series of scary barbs proximal to the main lanceolate point (especially in hardwood) to make them cause more damaging woulds and be very difficult to remove.  

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    Savanna Pumé man cutting a proximal barb into a point using a hammer to strike the point on an axe head blade (sunk in the sand) in 1990. The point is made from a nail that has been heated in the fire in front of him and hammered square and the ends thinned using the hammer and the fact side of the axe head as an anvil. This barb will resemble that in Lmaas1's arrow shown 2nd from the L in the 3rd photo posted on 9 October, expect that the barb will be more distal on the point (see my examples in the "South American bows & arrows" thread). 

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    Pumé man twisting wild bromelia fiber into winding for arrow manufacture in 1990. There is a fletching feather stuck in the ground in front of him (an anhinga tail feather) that he will use for tangential fletching of this arrow (the arrowcane is seen just to the R of the man, partially covered by a cloth bag that contains his arrow making gear and an hallucinogenic snuff taking kit). The discoloration of his hands and arms is an innocuous condition cause by a spirochete. All the heat he needs for arrow manufacture is represented in the 4 sticks at the extreme L of the photo. 

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    Same Pumé man in 1990 heating the nock end of the arrow (the narrow, distal-most portion of the arrowcane) in order to rub it with a stick of resin (the balks lump just to the viewer's R of his L knee on the sitting mat) so that he can attach the fletching and wind the nock. The 2 small "sticks" to the R of the resin are trimmed segments of arrowcane that are chewed to flatten them and are held together like tongs to rolls the windings with in order crush the bromeliad fiber windings and make them adhere well to the mainshaft, and also to rub the heated resin into the windings and furthersecure the windings.  

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    The same Savanna Pumé man in a different arrow making bout in 1993 trimming the foreshaft/mainshaft link with a knife (the foreshaft and point are visible to the R of his hands). A small skein of bromeliad fiber can be seen on top of the same red & blue cloth bag in front of him holding his arrow making gear and hallucinogenic snuff kit. The resin is seen just in front of his R knee, and one of the two small pieces of cane used to roll the windings is visible touching his R knee. Next to his R leg is some of the bromeliad fiber, pulled out of the skein to use in the various arrow making windings. 

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    Savanna Pumé man repairing a bent point that also broke the foreshaft out of the mainsheet during the first attempts to capture this caiman, using the back of a knife and using the caiman snout as an anvil (out in the field during an overnight hunting trip in 1992). His bows and arrows are at the left in the image, and the proximal ends of another man's arrows can be seen in just the lowermost left corner of the image. The wooden pole in the front of the man is the caiman harpoon, the cordage (see the harpoon point & line used for this hunt in my 4th image on the post of 10 January, 2018 on the South American bows and arrows thread) can be seen tied along the length of the harpoon haft. There is a bird just in front of my yellow data notebook next to my camera case, and an extra length of cord in front of the bird that was brought along to tie game for the return to the residential camp. 


  20. Lmaas, thanks of the additional info about the nocks, and the additional photos. My comment about the possible configuration on foreshafts was just based on what I could see in the photos. There might have been foreshafts under the windings holding the points, but again it was not possible to determine that from the photos (except that it appeared the leister did not have evidence of one). As you suggest, the lack of foreshafts might indicate they are made for trade with non-indigenous folks, but a better determination of where they may be from may help determine why there don't appear to be foreshafts.  The foreshaft is one of the more time consuming elements to fashion. Metal points (and prehistoric stone ones as well) have "hafts" of varying lengths and configurations (see the images in the 2nd photo of my post on 10 January, 2018 in the thread on "South American Bow and arrows" that you have already looked at ) that are the part that would be inserted into either or a foreshaft or directly into a mainsheet. The haft of the point is not considered a foreshaft because it is not a separate component of the arrow. 

    The points of the 2 fishing arrows with the straight points and marginal barbs (3rd & 4th from the L in your last picture of your 1st post) are square in x-section, are they not? With 4 rows of rows of barbs cut into each edge?  I'm still thinking it is likely these may be boy's arrows (except for the longer leister) because of their shorter length than the leister. But, I'm still working with some references to see if I can provide any additional info. Potentially, the most distinctive characteristic of this set is the mid-rib of the lanceolate large game arrows, which  is uncommon on most South American arrows I have worked with in my research. 

    I would again urge you not to replace the feathers. I mentioned that many arrows have problems with the fletching. While you may (or may not unless you have experience fletching arrows) be happy with how the kind of complete replacement you are pondering as "repair" may look, it would detract froth authenticity, which is a big part of the fun of having REAL artifacts on display. I recently performed the kind of repair I mentioned to you with beeswax on a 2 m-long arrow from the Aché foragers of Paraguay collected in the early 1990s with a nearly 1 m-long wooden foreshaft that also is the point (it is common in wooden-pointed arrows that the wooden point's proximal portion serves to be directly inserted into the mainshaft, not just in South American arrows). The fletching had come dis-attached at one end of this arrow, but by using a SMALL amount of beeswax I was able to reattach the feathers so they looked great (as with yours, they were only held down at the proximal and distal ends of the feather). I also used beeswax to hold down some of the vine windings around the foreshaft/mainshaft link (the Aché don't use resin on these kinds of monkey arrows with very long hardwood points that have a row of barbs, partly this allows the point to become detached so it remains in the monkey's body and continues to do harm, and the very sharp, backwards-facing barbs prevent the animal from being able to pull the point out without causing an even more grevious bleeding wound) that had become loose in the much drier climate over the years the arrows have been in the US. Both repairs kept the arrow in it's near-original condition as much as possible. I also had to use beeswax on an Efe bow (collected in the late 1980s from one of the groups of so-called "pygmies" of the Ituri Forest in the Congo Basin of central Africa) when the the bowstring was broken (my mother-in-law was allowed to open some of my artifact boxes, and of course she had no idea what she was opening, and damaged a few items). The bowstring is made from a strip of the outer epithelium ("bark) of vine, and was difficult to get to hold, but it is the most invisible & reversible fix I could do, and since it will never be whole again this helps prevent further damage and is not a glaring and inexpert repair.  

    The edit button exists for a bit more than a day I believe. It is located on the lower left, just outside the  message to the right of the "Quote" button. It will disappear after a short while, but only after ~2 days, a moderator could state what the time frame is for this option. 


  21. While I was checking out comparative images for the Jordan, Hashemite Kingdom Order of Independence, I came across 2 other Jordanian minis on the Sixbid.com website:

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    Jordan, Order of the Renaissance miniature (Order of Al Nadah), National Merit. Identified as the 4th Class, Officer's Cross, measuring 30 mm x 18 mm, bronze, unusual example in lacking any enamel (website calls it a "prototype"), and dating to 1948. From a 2016 auction by La Galerie Numismatique, archived own the Sixbid.com website: https://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=3116&category=63949&lot=2606969

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    Jordan, Order of the Star miniature. Identified as the 4th Class, Officer's Cross. Dimensions = 21 mm x 18 mm, bronze, also an unusual example with no enamel (website calls it a "prototype"). From a 2016 auction by La Galerie Numismatique, archived on the Sixbid.com website: https://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=3116&category=63949&lot=2606973


  22. Here are a few more from the Spurlock Museum's Seymour and Muriel Yale Collection of Coins of the Ottoman Empire and Other Middle East States: The Museum also had an example of a full-sized Jordanian Hashemite Kingdom Order of Independence medal (mistakenly identified as a mini) that I have a question about at the end of this thread, and photos from other sources of some miniatures of the Order of Independence. 

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    Iraq, Kingdom, General Service Medal miniature. Artifact identification #: 1971.15. 3556. (identified incorrectly in the catalogue as: "Libya, Order of Isrikal" [sic]). The "Length" (including the ribbon)=5.1 cm; "Width" (the maximum width of the  medal)=1.4 cm; & "Width" (the maximum width of the ribbon)=1.5 cm ; Weight=2.0 g. https://www.spurlock.illinois.edu/collections/search-collection/details.php?a=1971.15.3556

     

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    Egypt, Order of the Nile miniature. Artifact identification #: 1971.15. 2899. "Height" =6.17 cm; Diameter=2.15 cm; Depth=0.52 cm; Weight=5.41 g. https://www.spurlock.illinois.edu/collections/search-collection/details.php?a=1971.15.2899The larger "mugshot" original photo for this Order of the Nile mini from the Spurlock Museum was too large to easily upload here. 

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    Egypt, Order of the Republic miniature, 3rd Class. Artifact identification #: 1971.15. 3234. (identified incorrectly in the catalogue as: "Egypt, miniature Victory Star"). The silver galon indicates this is the 3rd Class of this award. This is a Type I example with the lily suspension device and the lighter blue color enamel on the embellished 5  rays & enameled ring round the central medallion. "Length" (including the ribbon)=7.1cm; "Width"=1.1 cm; "Height"=0.4 cm; Weight=3.48 g. https://www.spurlock.illinois.edu/collections/search-collection/details.php?a=1971.15.3234

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    Jordan, Hashemite Kingdom, Order of Independence (Wisam al-Istiklal (Istiqlal).  Artifact identification #: 1971.15. 3233. (identified incorrectly in the catalogue as: "Iraq, miniature Victory Star").  The size and weight of this indicates this is probably a full-sized version of this medal, not he miniature. "Length" (including the ribbon)=11.4 cm; "Width" =4.9 cm; "Height"=1.1cm; Weight=30 g. It appears that this form without the  gold wreath above the silver-rayed embellishment and underneath the 5-armed white enameled star, surrounding the central medallion with the cipher of Al-Hussein ibn Ali is the design for the 5th Class Knight version of this award. I believe that all illustrations of this Order on GMIC  show classes with the gold wreath embellishment of higher classes. Other examples without the gold wreath are shown at: https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/spink/catalogue-id-srspi10167/lot-8fe6bc71-f7cf-47c8-b33f-a8bd0111c0c7, identified as a 5th Class chest badge; http://www.najafcoins.com/Wor_Med_Ord_JKL.htm, identified as a Knight Class; 2 examples with contrasting designs that lack the wreath are shown at https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/dixnoonanwebb/catalogue-id-dix-no10035/lot-62b85175-32ec-467e-9443-a75100f2c5c5, identified as 5th Class; a boxed set at https://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=3116&category=63949&lot=2606978 that is identified as a 5th Class made by Huguenot of Switzerland that includes a miniature (shown in the 1st photo below). I have seen a couple examples of the full-sized award with the gold wreath identified as 5th Class (i.e., this example from Medal-Medaille: http://www.medal-medaille.com/sold/product_info.php?cPath=498_72&products_id=10590&osCsid=muk09a44arnp40psc96vkkuqa1), but of course there can be ID mistakes on these sites.  I wonder if someone more knowledgable about this award could confirm whether the medal without the wreath is the 5th Class Knight's versions of this award? 

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    Boxed set identified as the 5th Class Knight's Cross version of the Jordan,Order of independence showing the lack of the gold wreath around the central medallion for both the full-sized and miniature chest badges. From a 2016 La Galerie Numismatique  auction archived on the Sixbid.com website (https://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=3116&category=63949&lot=2606978). The full-sized medal measures 67 x 42 mm, no dimensions are given for the miniature, this set is made by Huguenin, Switzerland.

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    Unusual example identified as a miniature of the Jordan, Order of Independence 4th Class, Officer version measuring 30 x 19 mm. Bronze with no enamel (website calls it a "prototype") from a 2016 La Galerie Numismatique auction archived on the Sixbid.com website (https://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=3116&category=63949&lot=2606977). The rosette with no galon suggests this is 5th Class mini. 

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    I do not know if this example of the Order of Independence without the gold wreath from the Najaf Coins & Collectibles website may be a miniature or not. No dimensions or other information is provided in the brief description. However, the workmanship of the silver embellishment and the suspension device suggests this may be a mini.  http://www.najafcoins.com/Wor_Med_Ord_JKL.htm and http://www.najafcoins.com/Images/o3744.jpg

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    Two miniatures of the Jordan Order of Independence from a 2018 auction by Spink & Son archived on The Salesroom website (https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/spink/catalogue-id-srspi10167/lot-777aa81d-43b8-4110-a94d-a8bd0111be2a). Although they are not identified as miniature on the auction description, the size, lack of detail in the casting, and design variations of the suspension devices all indicate these are miniatures. No class identified, the sizes are identified as "27 x 18 mm and 22 mm".  

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    Jordan, Order of Independence 2nd Class Commander miniature from a complete boxed set of the neck badge (41 x 65 mm), breast star (82.8 x 87.5 mm), miniature, and rosette. The gold & silver galon is correct for the 2nd Class. This miniature measures 18.8 mm x 31 mm, is silver gilt, and made by Arthus Bertrand of Paris. This example is from a previous eMedals auction (https://www.emedals.com/middle-east/jordan/a-french-made-order-of-independence-al-istiklal-commander-s-set-w2007). 

     


  23. Paul, I am most grateful for your kind words and interest in this fun string that Owain set up. In relation to the Order of Ismail and the Abbas Hilmi II Commemorative Medal, they are still in the family. No one has seen the Mixed Courts Judges' Badge that Judge Pierre Crabitès would have worn when he sat in Court in Cairo, and occasionally on the circuit to Mansourah and Port Said. 

    Currently in relation to this thread, I'm just stumbling into images of minis to just throw in here. I know very little about any of the full-sized awards these represent, other than some of the Egyptian ones. Of course. all of these medals are covered in-depth in other threads here, principally in this "Middle East & Arab States" section identified as "Arab Medals -- X-County Name", with fabulous info about the full-sized medals, but also many pictures of additional variation in the forms of these and many other miniatures. 

    I found a few probably quite common miniature examples in an online American museum catalog through an image door onto the website (the search features weren't working to find objects whose names were associated with images I could pull up) of the Spurlock Museum of World Cultures, in illinois (https://www.spurlock.illinois.edu). All of the medals illustrated below come from the Seymour and Muriel Yale Collection of Coins of the Ottoman Empire and Other Middle East States. The Spurlock Museum of World Cultures mugshots below give the full Artifact Identification #, and then a cropped version still taking advantage of the scale (in CM). 

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    Libya, Order of Independence miniature. Artifact Identification #: 1971.15.3555. The "Length" (including the ribbon)=7.9 cm; "Width" (the maximum width of the  medal)=1.5 cm; & "Width" (the maximum width of the ribbon)=1.1 cm ; weight=2.0 g.  (https://www.spurlock.illinois.edu/collections/search-collection/details.php?a=1971.15.3555)

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    Syria, Order of Civil Merit miniature. Artifact Identification #: 1971.15.3235. "Length"=6.7 cm; "Width"=1.4 cm; "Height"=0.1 cm; Weight=2.18 g. https://www.spurlock.illinois.edu/collections/search-collection/details.php?a=1971.15.3235

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    Iraq Victory Medal. Artifact identification #: 1971.15.2072. (Identified incorrectly in the catalogue as from Saudi Arabia, the Medal of "Hussein Ibn Ali of Hejaz"). Diameter=1.82 cm; Width=o.23 cm; Weight=3.79 g. https://www.spurlock.illinois.edu/collections/search-collection/details.php?a=1971.15.2072

     


  24. I recently found this additional example of a different first day postal cover envelope design for the abolition of the Egyptian Mixed Court system on 14 October, 1949. This French language version that is postmarked from Cairo is from a September 2018 UK eBay auction (https://www.ebay.com/itm/EGYPT-1949-MIXTES-FDC-/283142086028?nordt=true&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l44720).

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    I recently obtained a higher resolution image of Judge Pierre Crabitès in his judicial regalia, taken in ~1911 at the beginning of his appointment to the Mixed Courts' District judiciary in Cairo. This is a better image than that at the beginning of this thread, although it does not show the judicial badge as well as other images I've posted here. It does show some of the contrast between the areas of the badge design that are gold gilt and the silver portions of the District Court judges version of this badge, although not in enough detail to help address the question I have about the badge depicted in the first photo of my first post of 31 October, 2018 on this thread. This image derives from a photo in the morgue of the New Orleans Times Picayune, first brought to my attention when I found a 21 February, 2010 re-publication of the photo archived on the Times Picayune website. Judge Crabitès was from New Orleans, and he featured periodically in several human interest local society page stories. That article reprinted a synopsis of parts of a 1924 article outlining Judge Crabitès role as the presiding judge in a case brought by Howard Carter, the discoverer of the tomb of Tutankhamen, against the Egyptian government over his objections to certain conditions of his excavation permit and requirement to host large numbers of visitors that he felt seriously interrupted his scientific recovery of the tomb contents, as well as a brief recapping of his later career as a lecturer at Lecturer at Louisiana State University, and 1943 death in  Baghdad. 

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