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    German medals and medalbars from 1813 to 1918, although I don't mind a third reich medal on my bars

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  1. Dear fellow collectors Since I have a lot of spare time on my hands (holiday started a while ago) I made a small start on who could be the possible owner of this ribbonbar. I found two brothers from the line of Hohenzollern-Sigmarungen whom I suspect of possibly being the owner of the ribbonbar. These two brothers are: * Prinz Wilhelm von Hohenzollern-Sigmarungen * Prinz Karl Anton von Hohenzollern-Sigmarungen Although both brothers held the rank of general in the prussian army (thus entitling them to a prussian servicecross and a centenary-medal) I think that Prinz Karl anton has a bigger chance of being the owner of this ribbonbar. He served as a leuitenant-general in WW1 (which would also entitle him to an EK2). I have a picture of him wearing a medalbar with the SWF, centenary and a bunch of foreign awards. In this picture he is also wearing the red eagle order and we can see the top of the Hohenzollern Princely honour cross. All the medals that come after the centenary-medal are foreign, we can see a japanese order for example which he would not wear during the war, since Japan was not on Germany's side. This would explain why a lot of these medals are missing from the ribbonbar. Furthermore we see the grandcross of the red eagle order, however, this is a peace-time award which is most likely absent from this ribbonbar because it is a ribbonbar with orders given out for bravery (swords) and 2 awards for service. In this picture we can see him wear the cross 1.st class of the Saxon white falcon order, of which he may have received a higher grade during the war for bravery, which would explain the miniature of the grandcross with swords on his ribbonbar (kleindekoration). Any further comments are ideas might be helpfull, since this is only a small start of the puzzle. Kind regards, Laurentius
  2. Dear John It's a nice original double-row ribbonbar made between 1936 and 1938. If I'm not mistaken it belonged to Admiral Otto von Schrader, who served in the ottoman empire during WW1, which explains his three ottoman awards. Kind regards, Laurentius
  3. Dear John Despite the rare order of the white elephant I don't think that this ribbonbar, which had a medalbar attached to it, would be attributable. It's not 'special' enough for an identification. I'll add a picture of the medalbar. Kind regards, laurentius
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    All of My Heroes Are Dead

    Dear Brian Wolfe A lovely blog, and except for the part of the overpaid sporters I completely agree with you. I personally do not have heroes, but in my country it is (or was, if the left has their way) common for every town and city to have a neighbourhood with streets named after the seaheroes (zeeheldenbuurten). Streets in these neighbourhoods are named after important figures in the Dutch navy, and since the Dutch have always had a navy we have quite an amount of seaheroes, names include De Ruyter, Tromp, Piet Heijn etc. But recently we have had a bit of a hiccup in the Netherlands, as people of colour together with leftists have opened a historical discussion (which I always love, don't get me wrong) about the darkside of these people. In their opinion it was true that they had fought for the Netherlands, but it was also important to point out that they had taken part in or invested in the slave-trade, which as we all know was common in the 17th and 18th century. They demanded that the statues were taken down and the streets renamed, there was even someone who suggested to tear down the historical city-centre of Leiden, because it had been built with profits of the slave-trade. One gentleman from the dutch party VVD (Volkspartij voor vrijheid en democratie) put this whole debate to rest with the historical words ''We kunnen de mensen van toen niet met de waardes van nu bekijken'' (We cannot judge the people from the past, with the standards/ideas of now). And in my opinion that sums it up, ideas change, opinions change and societies change but what they did, by the standards of their time, was what they thought to be the just thing to do. And perhaps the heroes of today will be despiced and hated in 300 years, or perhaps not, because people in the future will finally know what perspective means. Kind regards, Laurentius
  5. Dear David M Yes, that would be correct. Kind regards, Laurentius
  6. Dear Chuck There are no marks on any of the BRea, this is just a box from a jeweler who most likely made the single medalbar. These kinds of boxes are not particulary rare, so the price of 188 euros is not justified in my opinion. It says on the box that the seller/maker of the box specializes in awards. Kind regards, Laurentius
  7. Dear alex The medal after the BMVO4x is a Hessian medal for bravery, OEK 884 Kind regards, Laurentius
  8. Dear David M No, it is not wrong, it's a completly different medal, although the confussion can be understood since their names are so similar. The general in the picture is wearing the 1.st type Officerscross of the House-order of Oranje-Nassau. The order you refer to is the order of Oranje-Nassau. The difference in these orders is the institution that gives them away. The house-order is given out by the royal family, whilst the order is given out by the state, and although this order has a crown the royal family does not have a say in who is awarded. The order of Oranje-Nassau has not changed, whilst the House-order has. Kind regards, Laurentius
  9. Dear Alex K As ixhs said it looked like a dutch medal so I went on a small internetsearch and I think that I've found the medal. It's the officerscross of the Dutch house-order of Oranje-Nassau, I'll add a picture for you. Kind regards, Laurentius
  10. Dear GODISHIGH I'm having doubts about this bar, it is clearly a prussian bar (prussian service award and a centenary-medal) yet there are no prussian awards on this bar like the RAO or the KO. One could say that these awards weren't worn on a ribbonbar but I would think there would be miniatures of these orders on a ribbonbar such as this one. I'm also a bit worried about the miniatures, but if I recall correctly Claudio has a ribbonbar with miniatures of the same kind which we could use for reference in this case. I'm not saying that it is a bad bar, I'm only saying that I have my doubts. If it turns out to be genuine it would indeed be a nice addition to a collection. Kind regards, Laurentius
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    Replica Dutch Medals

    Dear Feldjaeger.1 Van Wielik is known for taking their time, I think that if you call them you might have a better chance of a fast response. Kind regards, Laurentius
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    Schinkel I class 1939

    Dear Simon Gornowicz Most unfortenatly this is a fake, the swastika looks terrible, the core is bubbly and the date looks like it was painted on. Despite this the frame looks good, this would lead me to expect that this is a latvian fake, Schinkle fakes known to be made in Latvia. They crack open an original EK1 1914, remove the original core, place in the empty space a fake core made by the fakers and they close it up again. I regret to say that most likely a fine EK1 1914 has been misused and been disfigured for profit.This is my explanation for the difference in quality of the core and the frame. Since EK's are not my top collecting priority at the moment I would like to ask a collector who focuses on EK's to come in and give his opinion. Kind regards, Laurentius
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    Replica Dutch Medals

    Dear Feldjaeger.1 Yes, it would indeed be possible for you to buy a MWO 4 class. I would feel the need to inform you that you will get a newly made piece so the quality will sadly be lesser then those of a MWO awarded before WW1 for example. I do not know the price, but I would think it lies around 250 euros. The firm Van Wielik in the Hague has a website which you can visit, I'll add a link for you (of the english page, I doubt you speak dutch) Kind regards, Laurentius https://www.vanwielik.com/en.html
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    Replica Dutch Medals

    Dear Herman In the book 'Het heeft hare majesteit behaagd' (ISBN 90-5911-169-9) published in 2004 there is an interview with the owner of the medalsupplier van Wielik who said this about buying awards : 'Iedereen die bij de firma Van Wielik aan de Haagse Kneuterdijk binnenstapt kan alle mogelijke onderscheidingen aanschaffen zolang er maar betaald word. '' Nee, wij vragen niet naar legitimatie of een oorkonde of iemand werkelijk koninklijk onderscheiden is. Dat is onze taak niet'' '. This translates to : 'Everyone who enters at the firm Van Wielik at the Kneuterdijk in the Hague can buy every possible award, as long as he or she pays. No, we don't ask for legitimation or an document or whether someone is indeed royally honoured. That is not our duty.' This book, albeit in Dutch gives great information about the dutch awards. Sadly it was published in 2004 due to which it might not be up-to-date with some awards. Kind regards, Laurentius
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    Part of my collection

    Dear Simon Gornowicz Is that a genuine johanniter orden Kreuz der Rechtsritter? Seems a bit out of place in a WW2 collection, but a nice piece nonetheless. Kind regards, Laurentius