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About laurentius

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    Awards and decorations from the German states and the decorations of WW1

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  1. Dear fellow collectors, here is my latest acquisition, a Saxon frackspange made after 1934. Saxon spanges in this style are rare, especially when made after 1933. The second picture is with my other Albrechtsorden. The albrechtsorden on the bar is made by Roesner, and the other two are from Scharffenberg. Kind regards, Laurentius
  2. Dear Glenn J, thank you very much for your help and the information, I'm sure the great-great-grandson will be delighted. Kind regards, Laurentius
  3. Dear fellow collectors, recently I was talking to a number of German collectors about pre-ww1 uniforms, when one of the collectors stepped forward and told me he was the great-great-grandson of Johann Heinrich Gottfried von Wodtke (1837-1907) and that his Great-Great-Grandfather was a Generalleutnant. He showed me a picture and asked me if I could perhaps tell him his ancestor's awards, which I promptly did. After telling him which kinds of highranking orders he had recieved he got enthustiac and asked me if I could tell him more, I couldn't but I wondered if any of you could perhaps help him on his quest to learn more. Here is a picture of him, and I will list all info we have at this moment. We know that his rank was Generalleutnant, and that he was ennobled (the 'von' in his name), we know he lived from 1837 untill 1907 and that his son Georg was a Generalmajor (1864-1942). He fought in the Austro-German war and took part in the battle of Königgratz, and he took part in the Franco-Prussian war (receiving both classes of the Iron Cross and perhaps the RAO4X, although that could also have been during the Austro-German war). His awards are as follows: * Red Eagle Order 2. class Schwertern am Ring * Bavarian Military Merit Order 2. class * Crown Order 1. class sash and star * Red Eagle Order 2. class star Schwertern am Ring * Unknown award hidden under the sash of the Crown Order * Iron Cross 1870 both classes * Red Eagle Order 4. class with swords * Long service award for 25 years * Medal for the Franco-Prussian war with clasps * Cross for the battle of Königgratz * Centenary-medal We know this picture was taken during the last 10 years of his life, we also know he served atleast for some time in IR 76. We would be grateful for any info regarding his decorations, ranks and Dienststelle. Kind regards, and thanks in advance, Laurentius
  4. Dear hoh1851, I do not completely trust the bar, however, to give a conclusive answer, we'll need to see the back too. Kind regards, Laurentius
  5. Dear Drspeck, a lovely group, do my eyes deceive me, or do I see a second ribbon under the EK-ribbon in the last two pictures? I think I can also see 2 little loops for a small ribbonbar. Kind regards, Laurentius
  6. Dear 1812 ouverture, I do not know who this is, but I do not see any award on his medalbar which predates WW1. A pretty interesting combination of awards. An iron cross, followed by a Hessian medal for bravery, a Waldeck-Pyrmont Verdienstkreuz, Friedrichsorden, Lübeck Hanseatenkreuz, Austrian MVK and some other awards. The combination of the medalbar is probably not unique (I think) but with this rare chinese order we might yet find it who this is. We know for sure that he served in WW2 and that he was decorated (KVK1). This already helps with the identification. Kind regards, Laurentius P.S. I now see that he has a Waldeck-Pyrmont Verdienstkreuz 3rd class with swords, it is possible he had the 4th class without swords, which was updated during the war.
  7. Dear Greyc, there were plenty officers, but also NCO's and sometimes (but rarely) even regular soldiers with more than one 'steckkreuz'. Although most recipients of multiple of these steckkreuzes only wore one at the time, you can sometimes find pictures of officers wearing 2 or 3. It's a bit like neck-orders, most keep it to one, but there are always people who want to brag 😆 Kind regards, Laurentius
  8. Dear fellow collectors, I recently visited Residenzschloss Arolsen in Bad Arolsen, it used to be the main residence for the Waldeck-Pyrmont family who ruled the German principality of Waldeck-Pyrmont. I went there because of my love of medals, and my love of the Dutch Royal family (Queen-regent Emma was born here). I was able to make a number of pictures, and I'm sure you lads would enjoy them. Kind regards, Laurentius
  9. Dear fellow collectors, the precedence on this medalbar is correct, the Russian Order of St. George, just like the Austrian order of Maria Therese, took precedence over most German awards. This tradition came into place after the napoleonic wars, because many German officers had received Russian and Austrian decorations. Although the combination and precedence might seem wrong, they are indeed correct, and I might even go as far as say that this medalbar belonged to a high-ranking Badener, most likely someone from the Grandduchal house. None of you untill now seem to have noticed the most important and the rarest decoration on this bar. It is not the Order of St. George, small hint, it's in the 6th place. Kind regards, Laurentius
  10. Dear VtwinVince, I think our Chinese friend meant to ask how persons who already have a medalbar update their medalbar. Which is quite simple to answer. Let's say we have a Prussian captain, he has a three-piece medalbar with an RAO, KO and LS. This is a completely normal peace-time combination for a Prussian. In 1897 he gets a centenary-medal. He could update his medalbar by bringing the medalbar to a jeweler (like Godet, or any of the other jewelers who also mounted). He decides however, that since he considers the notion too expensive, to leave it be untill he gets another award. With the centenary-medal, there is not much prestige, so not all persons chose to update. Different scenario: we have the same captain, now in 1915. He has in the meanwhile amassed several other orders. He receives an EK2. Feeling that this is an important decoration (it is, fight me😉) he choses to update his medalbar immediately. This is what it boils down to in essence. Regardless of whether it is a single-medalbar or a medalbar with several awards, whether it was updated was decided by the owner, based on the prestige of awards and the cost of remounting. (very expensive at the time, prices ranged but sometimes the cost was equal to several weeks of rent in certain Berlin neighbourhoods). I hope this explains the topic to you, 1812 ouverture. For as far as I know you didn't have to proof you owned the medals, you just had to bring them in for mounting. Kind regards, Laurentius
  11. Dear Alex, it looks like a Schwedt-Adler to me, although I think this was more common in WW2 Kind regards, Laurentius
  12. Dear fellow collectors, I recently stumbled upon the career of Marie Johan Teixeira de Mattos, a Dutchman who served in the German army during WW1, in the cavalry regiment 'Königin Wilhelmina der Niederlande'. After having served a few months on the western front he and his regiment were moved to the eastern front, just in time to take part in the Battle of Tannenberg. Do any of you know his awards? I know he was a knight in the Dutch order of Oranje-Nassau, and that he was a knight in the Johanniter-Orden. Kind regards, and thanks in advance, Laurentius
  13. Dear Alan, He has not yet read the message, perhaps he has taken a few days off, he's a good guy, don't worry about it. Kind regards, Laurentius
  14. Dear Alan, Sascha was online on Facebook a few days ago, so he should be fine. Kind regards, Laurentius
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