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  1. Dear fellow collectors, the precedence on this medalbar is correct, the Russian Order of St. George, just like the Austrian order of Maria Therese, took precedence over most German awards. This tradition came into place after the napoleonic wars, because many German officers had received Russian and Austrian decorations. Although the combination and precedence might seem wrong, they are indeed correct, and I might even go as far as say that this medalbar belonged to a high-ranking Badener, most likely someone from the Grandduchal house. None of you untill now seem to have noticed the most important and the rarest decoration on this bar. It is not the Order of St. George, small hint, it's in the 6th place. Kind regards, Laurentius
  2. Dear VtwinVince, I think our Chinese friend meant to ask how persons who already have a medalbar update their medalbar. Which is quite simple to answer. Let's say we have a Prussian captain, he has a three-piece medalbar with an RAO, KO and LS. This is a completely normal peace-time combination for a Prussian. In 1897 he gets a centenary-medal. He could update his medalbar by bringing the medalbar to a jeweler (like Godet, or any of the other jewelers who also mounted). He decides however, that since he considers the notion too expensive, to leave it be untill he gets another award. With the centenary-medal, there is not much prestige, so not all persons chose to update. Different scenario: we have the same captain, now in 1915. He has in the meanwhile amassed several other orders. He receives an EK2. Feeling that this is an important decoration (it is, fight me😉) he choses to update his medalbar immediately. This is what it boils down to in essence. Regardless of whether it is a single-medalbar or a medalbar with several awards, whether it was updated was decided by the owner, based on the prestige of awards and the cost of remounting. (very expensive at the time, prices ranged but sometimes the cost was equal to several weeks of rent in certain Berlin neighbourhoods). I hope this explains the topic to you, 1812 ouverture. For as far as I know you didn't have to proof you owned the medals, you just had to bring them in for mounting. Kind regards, Laurentius
  3. Dear Alex, it looks like a Schwedt-Adler to me, although I think this was more common in WW2 Kind regards, Laurentius
  4. Dear fellow collectors, I recently stumbled upon the career of Marie Johan Teixeira de Mattos, a Dutchman who served in the German army during WW1, in the cavalry regiment 'Königin Wilhelmina der Niederlande'. After having served a few months on the western front he and his regiment were moved to the eastern front, just in time to take part in the Battle of Tannenberg. Do any of you know his awards? I know he was a knight in the Dutch order of Oranje-Nassau, and that he was a knight in the Johanniter-Orden. Kind regards, and thanks in advance, Laurentius
  5. Dear Alan, He has not yet read the message, perhaps he has taken a few days off, he's a good guy, don't worry about it. Kind regards, Laurentius
  6. Dear Alan, Sascha was online on Facebook a few days ago, so he should be fine. Kind regards, Laurentius
  7. Dear Scottplen, I fully agree with Gordon, I framed some of my medalbars too last autumn and I used a bordeaux-red background, just on old sweater I had lying around. I'm a big lad, so there was more than enough to fill up several frames. It really brings out the colour in these medalbars, lovely effect. Kind regards, Laurentius
  8. Dear Scottplen, the ost-medaille is not a combat-award. It only requires one to have spend atleast so much time (depending on your occupation) in Russia during 1941-1942. Although this award officially comes fifth in the precedence it was often worn behind the Hindenburgcross (FEK, which was placed 25nd in the precedence). Rick Lundstrom already noted this when he was writing about the final order of precedence for awards which were put in place around 1942, when the Ost-medaille had just been instated. Although I am personally not so sure of the bar (it gives me bad feelings in my belly, a bad sign for a collector) I do not necessarily see something wrong with the order of precedence of this ribbonbar. First we have German decorations for bravery (EK, KVK, ZL) followed by German commemoration and long service awards (FEK, TD, Ost) after that come the foreign decorations for bravery. Kind regards, Laurentius
  9. Dear 1812 ouverture, perhaps the prices in China are higher, but this comes (in my opinion) from the love chinese people have for monarchies. Austria-Hungary, the German monarchies and the English monarchy are vastly popular there. I have seen lots of photos (sadly) of Chinese 'collectors' who wear decorations from their collections (They act like Americans). The prices are a bit higher because they love the stuff. The monarchies are gone, but if you have a medal in your hand you still have some sort of relic of it. Kind regards, Laurentius
  10. Well, it's Weitze, so over-the-top prices should not surprise us. They are the European Emedals, or is Emedals the Canadian Weitze? Kind regards, Laurentius
  11. Dear VtwinVince, yes indeed, truly beautiful, one of the reasons I visit every year. It is a shame that not all decorations belonging to Alexis are displayed. The picture of him in the glass showcase, just like his uniform, show that he had more decorations than are shown in the castle. Perhaps some orders are still in Burg Steinfurt, the other castle of the Zu Bentheim und Steinfurt family, or lost during the war. I wonder what happened to Alexis' EK2 from the Franco-Prussian war. Kind regards, Laurentius
  12. This is the version I believe that the Konteradmiral is wearing, although in your picture without swords. It's only a tiny bit bigger than a regular EK1
  13. Dear Kriegsmarine Admiral, looking at the award in the picture I believe this award to be the Croatian Order of the Crown of King Zvonimir. Kind regards, Laurentius
  14. Dear David M, I said most, not all, the medalbar next to the multiple Kurhessian House-Orders of the Golden Lion also did not belong to him. The last award on this medalbar, on the blue ribbon has been removed and someone put a KVK on there, backwards. I think there might have been a Treudienst-ehrenzeichen there, removed after the war perhaps? Kind regards, Laurentius
  15. Dear fellow collectors, I have recently visited Schloss Bentheim in Bad Bentheim, one of the oldest castles in northern Germany. I go there every year with my family and every year I look forward to visiting the castle. It has a lovely collection of awards from the imperial era, together with some uniforms, helmets, caps and equipment. Most of the awards are centered around Alexis Fürst zu Bentheim und Steinfurt. His RAO 1. klasse, his Lippe verdienstkreuz 2. klasse and several other high european orders. There are also a number of awards on bow-ribbon, which I suppose were given to his wife. Among these awards on bow-ribbon there is a Luisen-orden, several marriage-medals and a silver (?) China-denkmünze on bow-rbbon. My question is, was this award given to women during the time of the Boxer-rebellion. I've added some pictures, please excuse the quality, my camera has the power of a potato. I have also added a picture of a painting in the castle, depicting Georg Viktor von Waldeck-Pyrmont, the father of his Alexis' wife Pauline. Kind regards, and thanks in advance, Laurentius
  16. Dear fellow collectors, often when we see medalbars where the Iron Cross is not the first decoration, we brand their owners 'naughty'. But they weren't naughty at all, for they followed the rules and regulations of their own state (Saxony, Württemberg or Bavaria). I know the late Rick Lundstrom wrote some interesting pieces on this topic over on the WAF, but I wondered if any of you know a book in which this precedence for the non-Prussian states in the German Empire is described. Kind regards, and thanks in advance, Laurentius
  17. I concur with the other members, precedence, but also combination on this medalbar is quite troubling. Although it features lovely, original medals the bar itself in my opinion is a modern composition. Kind regards, Laurentius
  18. Dear Claudio, very nice pieces you have there, if they ever needed a place to sleep.... Kind regards, Laurentius
  19. Dear ixhs Does this mean that this routine didn't take place during WW2? I think that during the war the dire need for precious metals was quite high. Kind regards, Laurentius
  20. Dear Komtur I have 2 questions, what happened to the medals after they had been handed back to the authorities and why didn't they take the RAO 4th class? It's also made of silver, so there is value in it. Kind regards, Laurentius
  21. Dear Chris That; s why I asked, I recall reading about it here, but a search on the web, both here and on other forums yielded no results. Hopefully someone remembers the topic, or is knowledgeable to these affairs. It wouldn't be surprising if you ask me, if you were to take all imperial decorations made of precious metals from all the German states you'd get quite a mountain of silver and gold. Kind regards, Laurentius
  22. Dear fellow collectors, I recall a topic (by Rick Lundstrom I think) about how the Gestapo had cards filled with information about local recipients of high-end awards (made of precious metals). These awards had to be returned, but after the fall of the monarchies this largely came to a halt. It was said in this topic that the Gestapo would scan local newspapers for obituaries of deceased soldiers, go to the home of the next of kin and they would demand the decorations. They could be bought off however, for a price several times higher the worth of the award. Can anyone confirm this, or perhaps post a link to this topic which I can't seem to find? Kind regards, and thanks in Advance, Laurentius
  23. Dear GMU The decorations on the bar are: EK2, HOHx, LS ( I think, prussian first, but there are 2 little lines at the end of the ribbon so I could be wrong), HE3xKR, China-medal, ÖMVK, HT, WV3. KVK II refers to the War Merit Cross, of which he received the 2nd class during WW2, I wonder for what sort of capacity, due to his age I wonder? Regarding your last question, you are correct, it shows a Centenary Medal, a Japanese Order of the sacred Treasure and a Romanian Crown Order. Perhaps he chose not to wear the Centenary medal, and the Romanians and the Japanese fought against Germany in WW1 so it isn't surprising he's not wearing those orders anymore. Kind regards, Laurentius
  24. Dear Martin2 It's a terrible fake of the Deutsches-Feld-Ehrenzeichen. It was a non-official award, which had to be purchased by the veteran himself at one of the several veteran's associations. Kind regards, Laurentius
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