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  1. PC S-585 / F-82 Patrick James Mangan - Joined 1910 - Dismissed for Striking 1919 Following my earlier post - I'm adding everything I have discovered, warts and all, about this man who was my maternal grandfather. There are also two other officers mentioned who may be of interest to you - but I've not researched them in any great detail - they are Joseph Schoenfelder and Martin Hayes. Patrick was born in County Mayo, Connaught,Ireland – as per 1911 Census. His date of birth is not verified with any record, but has been documented as follows: 1880 - as per the 1939 Register – 15 November 1880 1881 – as per the 1919 Court Document – age given as 38 1882 - as per the 1911 Census – age given as 29 1910 - 25 July Patrick joined the Metropolitan Police warrant number 98743 assigned to S Division – collar number S-585 1911 – Married to Theresia Fett – *Joseph Schoenfelder was a witness his father – John – a Farmer – born in England. At the time of his marriage he was living at 48 Edward Street, Regents Park. The 1911 census shows he was at 68 Agustus Street, Regents Park, NW. living with his wife of less than one year and two boarders. The boarders are both described as single and employed as Police Constables: so I did a little research for these two gentlemen and found the following: Martin Hayes age 28 born in Tipperary, Ireland. Joined 11 May 1903 Warrant 89777 and “resignation permitted” on 16 October 1911, not sure which division he was assigned. *Joseph Schoenfelder age 22, born in Lancashire to his German father. Joined 30 June 1910 Warrant 98426 – assigned to S Division. In the ledger his surname was scrubbed through and replaced with Smith and in the remarks is a note “See S (i)” Most likely due to the political climate of the day? I’ve attempted to find him after that entry in the online MEPO files as either Schoenfelder or Smith and drawn a blank, but there is a marriage record for him with his own surname in 1912 to his wife Emily Froude. 1913 - Living at 160 Stanhope Street, St Pancras - so likely to be still in S Division 1915 – birth of daughter Mary Veronica Theresa - the birth was registered in Kensington. He was transferred to F Division at some stage in his service after being suspended for violently assaulting two men in a pub – this came to light at his court hearing - see newspaper cutting below in 1919. I'm guessing 1915 as Kenley Road address was in F Division area, and the borough of Kensington. I suppose this would have been mentioned in Police Orders of the day - I've yet to research that thought. 1916 – Newspaper Report concerning his duties – this report dated 1 January 1916 1917 – Newspaper Report x 2 concerning his duties 1918 - living in 7 Kenley Street, Notting Dale 1918 – Birth of daughter Patricia Theresa 1918 – Newspaper report concerning his duties 1919 August – Patrick was a striker – he defied instructions not to strike for a second time and was dismissed without pension on 1 August 1919. 1919 September Patrick was involved in an altercation and subsequent fight with a colleague PC Harris. He was found guilty at the Central Criminal Court of GBH/ABH and sentenced to 20 months hard labour in Pentonville Prison. 1922 May – Released from prison and returned to his family 7 Kenley Street, Notting Dale. 1923 February – Birth of daughter Kathleen Theresa (my mum) 1923 – 1932 – lived at 7 Kenley Street, Notting Dale. 1932 – moved to 20 Kenley Street, - his wife and three girls left Patrick and moved to Acton – my mum never spoke about her father, but I have been told that her mum used to send one of the older girls to his place of work (a hotel commissionaire ) on pay day to get some of his wages before he drank them all. 1932 – 1938 – 20 Kenley Street – lodging with the Quickfall family 1939 - Moved to 165 Portland Road, Notting Dale – moved there with the Quickfall family. On the 1939 Register his profession is shown as a commissionaire. 1939 – Patrick was the victim of a crime. He was working as the commissionaire in the Sports Garden, a basement shooting range in Oxford Street. He helped stop the criminal who used a 22 rifle from the range and tried to steal the takings. Along with another employee they chased the man who shot them both, he was apprehended as he ran up the stairs into the street. 1939 – 1962 … Patrick remained at 165 Portland Road until his death in 1962 and I've not been able to uncover anything about this period of his life, apart from a letter he wrote in 1953 to the editor of a local newspaper, berating his local MP for comments he made regarding the level of the state pension. Apparently the £2 13s 6d he was receiving was a “starvation pension” on which it was impossible to survive! His death certificate, notes him as a retired labourer, it also shows a post–mortem without inquest and his death was reported by the registrar Presumably no member of the family wanted to claim him when he died and I don't know where he was buried, in an unmarked grave no doubt. Also the certificate of marriage for his eldest daughter Mary in 1940 shows him as deceased. He was however, still alive – she felt so strongly about him, she did not want to acknowledge him on her marriage certificate. So, there you have it - that’s all I know about PC Patrick James Mangan, my grandfather - not really what I expected to uncover and certainly no fond family memories. I still hope to one day find a photo of him and his 1911 medal if its around. Thanks for reading my post, sorry for the ramble. I'd be pleased to hear from you if you can tell me more.
  2. Thank you both for you advice regarding the medal - I will add the research in a bit once I’ve got it in some kind of time line.
  3. You never know - best I keep an eye on Ebay. There are obviously plenty of medal dealers out there - in your experience, can you recommend any for this type of medal? Thank you.
  4. Hi - thanks for that, confirms what the news papers of the day reported. It was quite a surprise to discover he’d been in prison. I didn’t know there would have been any kind of medal for him. I thought he was dismissed without his pension or any other form of recognition. I will get together all the info I have so far and add it to this post .
  5. Hi Gordon - I didn’t know about the book, so it would be great to hear what’s been said about him. I found references to the assault by searching online in the British Newspaper archives. A random search bought that up and also the fact he was shot in the arm at his place of work whilst trying to apprehend a thief ( 1939 - so long after he had left the Met ). Thank you for replying to me and I look forward to hearing what’s in the book. Best wishes Jan ...
  6. I was wondering if anybody can recommend where to go for researching Officers in London Metropolitan Police. My grandfather Patrick James Mangan joined in July of 1910, his number was 98743 and he was in S Division - his collar number S-585. He was dismissed as a striker on 1 August 1919, serving in F Division at the time with collar no F-82. He lived in Kenley Street, Notting Dale I would love to find out what kind of events he policed or cases he was involved. I have the National Archive records of his attestation and dismissal entries. Of course no pension records for him as a striker. Can anyone tell me if joining papers have been saved from this time. We’ve never seen a picture of him and hoping there might be one somewhere. Another part of his story is that after his dismissal and as a result of an altercation and fight with a non striking officer. He was convicted of GBH and sent to Pentonville in September 1919 for 20 months with hard labour. So a further question with regard to prison records - he was tried at the Old Bailey - there must of been a mug shot of him at some point, but I’m thinking these records are not available ? Would that be right? Any pointers welcome. Thank you
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