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  1. Happy to oblige. In my view, published written sources with information indicating 'hard' sources like Order Statutes, surpass in reliability many internet sources. Les Decoration tunisiannes a la epoque husseinite, 1994, in my understanding, remains the most complete study of this Order with copious references to not only the Statutes but implementing decrees and era-published administrative procedure guidance. As to internet sources, in this instance Wiki lists the grade of knight 2nd class but includes no image. For other easily searchable internet 'cites' [pun intended] try http://www.royalark.net/Tunisia/orders.htm, http://www.icollector.com/AUCTION-VIII_as11563_p6 lot 1330, or The 1882 statutes are on-line somewhere in a French collectors' organization site; I cannot locate it at present. Google search and French eBay listings will reveal more on-line evidence. http://www.emering.com/medals/tunisia/index.html provides perhaps the most accessible images of various Beys' names/cyphers for English speakers.
  2. Igor, Thanks for your postings! Are your post 30 additions still on display in the National Museum, Цетиње? At one point the jeweled Civil Merit suite was attributed to the Queen and the St. Alex collar attached to it attributed to the Crown Prince. Later the collar and badge were attributed to the Queen as a one-off award. There was also a French Agriculture Merit Order [commander size insignia] on a sash, supposedly another one-off given to the King in 1910 since he already had the Legion of Honor GC. Any clarification on those claims??
  3. I cannot make out the punches on the ring. As to the Bey's name, appears most like Mohammed-Es-Sadok (1859-1882). c.f. https://www.expertissim.com/tunisie-ordre-de-nichan-iftikhar-130110 as well as http://www.militaria-medailles.fr/fr/medaille-francaises/5362-medaille-de-officier-de-l-odre-tunisien-d-nichan-iftikhar-mohamed-es-sadok-1859-1882.html. Often exact calligraphy match in terms of depicting the Bey's name will not happen due to variations among jeweller manufacturing abilities and Arabic language comprehension.
  4. Sincere thanks for this material! First time seeing almost all of them. I welcome more information!
  5. Nickstrenk, this is a beautiful example of the order regardless of Bey's name! Almost all recipients had to buy their own Nichan Iftikhir insignia. Your Czech general likely was in Austro-Hungarian service if he received it in 1913. Perhaps he went into a Vienna shop and bought this example--note ribon arrangement and very fine obverse and reverse detail suggesting Rothe or Meyer manufacture. [May be silver content or jeweler marks on ring.] Maybe no attention to detail given as to obtaining correct Bey's name, if the price was right!
  6. Yes, I misspoke, I intended lst class of 3rd degree
  7. New World, Could you determine whether this lst class has hard or soft enamel?? Don't recall ever seeing such pitting as on the reverse.
  8. Thank you--Quite Interesting!!
  9. Someone had good fortune!! Genuine autographed image [carte de visite?] dated 20 April 1893? Any information on the reverse?
  10. Carol I very likely correct----could I make a comment 'takes one to know one' without offense??? I've never seen that cypher/insignia on the outer lid of a Carol I case before, just on Star and Crown cases supplsedly from Michael period. What is it exactly?.
  11. Antti Ruokonen [GMIC member Blitz] who wrote Yesterday and Today's Knights: Orders of Romania. If he doesnt see this thread you might get in direct communication with him.
  12. Antti will know for sure! Both may be Grand Cross cases. Green perhaps Romanian Crown, Carol II issue, but those cases usually blue. Red case Star of Romania likely military with swords thru center. Some say cases with that top lid stamp may be Michael but the RESCH inner lid stamp looks earlier.
  13. Thank you very much for this highly useful information!! Are the ribbons the same for the navy and air force as well?
  14. Wonderful story & well preserved medal! Read Casserly's Monkey God years ago--a ripping yarn!!!
  15. Hi Ilieff, Regarding posts 12 and 16 concerning the Honorary distinction "For Incentive of Philanthropy" insignia including a badge, sash and star, here's an image of the star published by Werlich attributed to the Smithsonian Collection, Washington, D.C. This set, acquired in the 1950's? by Fred McKay--no further information on provenance, currently resides in the Smithsonian's numismatic collection. I saw this set in 1971 when on public display and again in 1972 when I was allowed to handle it during research. Somewhere I have a better black/white image of the suite of sash, badge & star. If I recall correctly, the badge was the same size as what we know as Gentleman's first and second class, the sash was 100 mm wide, and the star about 88-90 mm. wide. Note on the Catholic Cyril & Methodius award--Kretly [Paris] and V. Meyer [Wein], at least made the insignia. Some consider this odd given the short life of the honor. A Paris-based private society used insignia derived from a mix of the Catholic and Tsarist Orders' design probably manufactured in part with ex-Kretly dies.
  16. Great contribution!! I well understand the amount of time. effort and networking required in your outstanding endeavor! Have you run across any Honorary distinction "For Incentive of Philanthropy" insignia including a badge, sash and star? At least two such sets exist, one in the Smithsonian Institutions' McKay collection and one in a private collection. This insignia is not described in any of the literature that I know and these may have been trial pieces. It appears that the Vicariate of Sofia and Philippopel - Order of Saints Cyril and Methodius does not fall within the scope of your work.
  17. Damaged Medjidjie knight [missing lower inscription plaque] but quite unusual with 'Caucaus' bar and what may be Imtiaz or Liakiat bar with swords attached to ribbon. Possibly fooled around with. Have you an image of the reverse?
  18. Ökenräven, It's generally hard to discover details about these sorts of organizations because: 1) Many no longer exist or have very convuluted schisms c.f. Russian St. John Order 'priories' 2) While they generally have/had a specific and usually very formal organization complete with cloaks, uniforms, statutes, membership lists, exhalted [inflated?] Grand Master bios and so on, informational/historical documents are usually impossible to locate 3) persons who feel 'taken-in' by such entities are reluctant to reveal information about them 4) many 'sailed close' to various personalities, actual titled families' awards, or 'questionable charitable activities' leading to legal actions against them thus those involved want to maintain their distances & 5) few people study them. It's also difficult to assess such Orders' actual size/activity. The quality of the insignia really does not seem to indicate the 'heft' of these organizations. Some really do have hundreds of members, get involved in actual charity work, and serve more than just a social function. They may get well-known but perhaps 'uninformed' people to endorse them. Others exist mainly as ego-bosters or sources of income for fantasy prince grand masters, involving relatively few long-term members. An introduction to the general subject may be located at http://www.chivalric...asy/fantasy.htm. Books on this topic include: Ordres et contre-ordres de chevalerie by Arnaud Chaffanjon, Mercure de France Paris 1982. Faux Chevaliers vrais gogos by Patrice Chairoff, Jean Cyrile Godefroy Paris 1985. The knightly twilight by Robert Gayre of Gayre, Lochore Enterprises Valletta 1973. Orders of knighthood, Awards and the Holy See by Peter Bander van Duren and Archbishop H.E. Cardinale (Apostolic Delegate in the United Kingdom), Buckinghamshire 1985. World Orders of Knighthood and Merit by Guy Stair Sainty and Rafal Heydel-Mankoo (ed), Burke's Peerage 2006. Ephemeral Decorations, Gillingham, H. E. New York, 1935. American Numismatical Society: Numismatic Notes and Mongraphs 66. Knights of Fantasy: an overview, history, and critique of the self-styled 'Orders' called 'of Saint John' or 'of Malta', in Denmark and other Nordic countries, Peter Kurrild-Klitgaard, Turku 2002 That said, if you like the insignia and the price is right, collect them! Paul, Regarding the Order [Odour?] of the Inebriated Toad of Tabaristan, happy to see , and his works continue to get the attention they so richly merit! Ain't got no quid nor puffins...... Will you accept 10 Araucanían and Patagonian pesos in lieu of 1000 dirhame? If so, sign me up for 3; Grand Cross civil, military & swords on ring!!!!
  19. Insignia of what some call pseudo orders 'based/derived' from the Sacred Military Constantinian Order of Saint George Order. Burke [World Orders of Knighthood & Merit] as well as internet sites detail the family Order upon which these are based. These orders may be known by various name styles relating to or including the words Constantinian Order. One with blue ribbon probably an 'Orthodox Christian' variety based on the suspension crown type. Guy Stair Sainty's 'self-styled orders' websites may have info regarding this and similar related orders. Don't know if these are on the Vatican or Italian lists of non-recognized/proscribed Orders. Value depends on how much one likes them. Sometimes this sort of insignia appears at auctions on on e#bay with star/neck badge sets going from US$80 to US$300.
  20. Quite impressive!!! Are the Ladies crosses by Schwertner?
  21. Fellow in post 10 above wears officer insignia of the French Ordre des Arts et des Lettres, established 1957.
  22. Sorry, do not remember. However, I had/have a cased example and am now in the process of unpacking nearly 60 years worth of collection [and have done for past 3 years, so no promise when or what I find] and when/if it turns up will certainly post bijou and case here. Don't recall but mine may have a missing reverse center.
  23. Yes, same one. However, the fakers, besides replacing the ribbon and centers, must have used a varient veterans' badge type as their begining point as copy crosses were enameled on the reverse. These copies did not have any legend struck into them as the veterans' badges do. I remember a copy with non-pierced monogram that looked like the monogram was struck when the cross was struck, similar, in that respect, to your example on the far left. I had not seen the type of veterans' badge without monogram in the arms before. Possibly, and maybe easier, copies may have started with a Military Cross (Croix Militaire/Militaire Kruis] corpus. This would make the enamel work easier, would not have problem of removing die-struck legend, and fake monogram could disguise removal of the swords.
  24. Offhand, I recall detailed description of the award & instituting decree most particuliarly in Quinot, 5th edition. I bet that other general works on Belgian awards will have information as well. These awards were best discussed at a public event, in my experience, at a MEDEC meeting in Antwerp in mid-1994. Samples of genuine pieces, cased and uncased, were displayed alongside fakes. Can't remember which firm made them, de Greef or Fonson. Do not remember an awarding document displayed at the meeting [or if one existed]. Think it could not be awarded posthumously. I certainly do recall that the the award always had to be worn full-size or miniature from the ribbon and that service ribbons were not supposed to be worn with out the 'bijou'. I seem to remember that Willy D. or Eric T. had a copy of the 10 May decree. Eric T. had some information regarding it at one of the Army Museum shows about that time as well. Maybe someone wrote an article in the MEDEC journal concerning around 1994-5?? My memory is weak!! I believe that Eric T. is a GMIC member perhaps he will see this and clarify. Overall, fakes look somewhat like copy 100th Anniversary Ostend-Dover Ferry Line or Telegrapf commemoration decorations in workmanship--not as crisp detail or finishing as originals. Fakes possibly made using the veteran's society badge corpus but with replaced centers and the "A" in the angle of the arms either not pierced or not apparently separately attached. The enamel is flat on the arms not slightly domed. Seem to recall that the centers looked more like thin castings rather than stampings. It was possible in the mid-'90's to get ribbon from De Greef. Somewhere, maybe in the Dynasty Museum, there's supposedly a roll of people awarded this decoration but I never saw it.
  25. I very rarely disagree with my friend Paul. That said, however, according to several authorities [Les Decoration tunisiannes a la epoque husseinite, 1994, "Sabretache" articles and a couple of websites] the piece shown in post one is a Knight 2nd class insignia. The Order had 6 classes as of 1882: Grand Cordon, Grand Officer, Commander, Officer, Knight lst class, and Knight 2nd class. Knights first class had enamel in the star points, like officer badges, and knights 2nd class did not. These latter had enamel only in the center. Sidi Hamid was more formally known as Ahmad II Pasha Bey. In my experience, including a year in Tunisia and three in Paris, one encounters Knight 2nd class insignia much more rarely than Knight lst class pieces.