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  1. I should apologise and state clearly that what I had in mind when giving my opinion was purely based on considerations regarding orders and medals from Yugoslavia. I have no expertise on other countries and refer to more educated opinions for that, such as the ones from Rusty and Stuka. This is a Slovenian based seller and I am not aware where he sources his more exotic orders from. Obviously, offering a mixture of originals and replicas does not talk in favour of a seller, but in general you should be on the safer side with Falera et Orbis when dealing with Yugo orders. What I would not expect from this website is to order one thing in picture and get another thing in hand, or defected, or not receiving anything at all... As for prices, they are certainly inflated on this website compared to his open auctions on ebay, perhaps by some 20% compared to final auction prices. I've seen worse around in terms of respected selling houses, and with the same composition of originals and fakes that can easily trick some less experienced collectors. Bottom line, you are the kind of customer that would buy here if you're interested in a very specific/fine piece and want to avoid the hustle of an open auction.
  2. Falera-et-Orbis is managed by David Tasic aka emonlaib on ebay. I never placed an order through his website and can't say about responsiveness etc., but in general terms it should be absolutely trustworthy.
  3. That seller is a disaster, it hurts every time I see him splitting documents and orders. Nobody will EVER be able to put those pieces back together once sold to different bidders! I bet he would make the same or more money just selling the entire lots together, but he doesn't hear from that ear...
  4. Nice specimens, BalkanCollector. 50 spomenice in the collection is quite something. I have some of these booklets, but unfortunately not the matching awards. We come back to the old story of our sellers eager to split papers and awards all the time... Eric G, the spomenica you showed is 100% original. I believe the screw was welded at a certain stage for some reason, and those incisions on the left side are the result of a tight bench vise grip.
  5. Drugo

    Serbian Cross of Charity

    My understanding is that men and women versions should be differentiated only by the suspension, classical light-blue triangular one for men, and a ribbon of the same colour for women. I am not sure about the reason for different designs, though.
  6. I don't believe that boxes were differentiated according to shaft length. What usually happened was that the longer shafts or sharper ends would simply pierce the inner fabric of the box, making space for the shaft. As for what concerns the reason why there are different shafts, I don't think they were shortened at a later stage, as Eric rightly states, the cut would be obvious to detect. Why they came out in different lenghts, it's hard to say.
  7. Unfortunately not, this is all there was on offer... Here's another OZN III early ZIN type that I had once and gave away after getting the above one. It's a close serial, 14942. What is interesting is that the shaft on this one is much longer, I don't know why. This is something I noticed from time to time, on some other early ZIN orders. It was probably not very comfortable to wear on the chest.
  8. Nice orders, everybody. Given the question about serial numbers and awarding dates, I am sharing pictures of a nice early OZN III class with documents from my collection. Serial number 15284, awarded in April 1946 to the Slovenian Branko Pocar. Luckily, a few more papers allow to add something more about this soldier, which is almost never the case with Yugoslavian awards... The award came with his military discharge: Branko was born on the 1st of May, 1925 (so what else could he become if not a partisan? ), in a small village on the Italo-Slovenian border, Štjak. He was a farmer. He joined the Liberation Front on 17 September 1943, at the age of 18. He served until 17 April 1947, leaving the ranks as sergeant and with a severance pay of 5,000 dinars. In august 1949, he was in Maribor, Slovenia. Here he joined the veteran's association, SUBNOR, and thanks to this we are able to know his face: He kept paying his membership until 1988... In addition to this, I can only add that I have my grandfather's certificate (unfortunately the certificate only, the award went missing), stating that he got his OZN III class on 7 October 1947, order number 48447. Balkan Collector mentioned an order 93k awarded in April 1946. As we know, Yugoslav orders were not awarded strictly in progressive order, so without a certificate pointing to the exact year is pretty much anybody's guess... Still 1946-47 seems the most reasonable period.
  9. I'm reading, with some delay, this and other interesting discussions. I would like to hear your opinion about this one, recently popped up on ebay. I'm puzzled by more than just the screw nuts. Cheers, Drugo
  10. It's a good point. It might have to do with the years of production of the standard silver and the golden ones? Considering that the latter were produced only in late 1980's, production quality in those years was fastly declining, we know it from all other orders and decorations produced at that time. It would be nice to know when was actually the production of silver badges interrupted? It would be very interesting if we find out that it was before they started producing the gold ones! Could it be the case?
  11. Emanuel I am sorry but I really don't understand your long comment, nor what I am supposedly "kicking back". I made one single point and one comment. The point: IMHO, I am not sure if the badge offered on ebay is a fake or not. I said my uncertainty could be naive, meaning this is a fake and I am too much of a believer, I don't know. I don't care if it is original or fake but for the sake of knowledge, because a) it is not mine, and b) in any case I'm definitely not going to bid at such a crazy price, no matter the rarity (sorry achern ). The comment: I didn't realise you were ironic talking about Singapore, and frankly I still don't get it (sorry, I haven't been probably trained for 2500 years in it ). The only way I understand it now is that you meant that even the first one posted by achern in post #1, back in 2012, is a fake? In that case, you'd be the first one here to state that and I am truly interested in hearing your opinion about why is that, because I am a yugo collector but I am more than ignorant when it comes to these specific badges, especially the golden ones, and I have much to learn! Thank you. If on the contrary the first one is solid and the eBay one is not (BTW, it is indeed extraordinary that the same person has two of these rare birds in his hands, no matter the country of origin), I would still not get your ironic point. And yes, fakes are ruining the fun of this hobby, as much as prima donnas the pleasure of a constructive exchange of minds and knowledge. And I know you all have to share and teach me a lot, here. Thank you, Filip
  12. Maybe I'm too naive, but I would like to see this ebay badge in a different light (literally), before judging... The spots on the enamel concern me the most, and would make me cautious, but again, better pictures would be good. As for Singapore, Emanuel you should check the first post in this topic... Cheers! Drugo
  13. This just appeared on ebay, it's always the same Spanish seller. Spanish medals, in all different versions, are among the most faked Yugoslavian medals. By the way, these are VERY rare, but this seller appears to have enough of them to picture two of them in the same picture, obverse and reverse, and they are both so identical and in pristine condition that he doesn't need to tell you which one you will receive.
  14. Hello Paja. About the screwplates: I did say they look strange, but I am not so sure they are fakes, I just wanted to express the idea that they are not one part with the order, and they can be switched. Anyway, I sent a couple of pictures to a friend of mine, who is an expert in soviet orders and screwplates in particular, and in his opinion these screwplates are ok, he says they might have been covered in silver but they are original. As for the 5xxx serial curse, this is indeed the range of Partisan stars that were being discussed as fakes/originals on the domestic forum. I remember I collected all the suspicious stars at the time in one single picture (therefore I am sorry if some users might perhaps recognize one of their owns, I did this only with a "scientific" purpose). It is interesting, because at the time the main topic of discussion was the quality and details of the wreath, while now you are talking about the reverse, but in both cases the range is mostly the 5000-5999 one. I repeat: these stars were discussed as copies because of single oddities in each of them, but in the end the conclusion was that it is probably just a slightly different stock and that they are original, because the enamel, which is the most difficult part to forge (even if you have the original tools, enamel is more about the specific quality of the material used, and it is very hard and expensive to copy the Soviet enamel from WWII, compare for example the much thinner and lighter Yugoslav enamel on post-war home-made partisan stars). Of course, I don't have the ultimate answer to your doubts, but I don't feel too much uncomfortable with these stars that you pointed out - at least yet. All the best Drugo
  15. Hy Paja, I read your comments about the II class Partisan Stars... I remember there was a period in Slovenia when collectors were thinking that a certain number of these fakes were starting being produced, but after a long discussion they came to the conclusion that this sort of deep, red soviet enamel could not be faked so easily, and especially not at a low enough cost. The stars you show have that type of enamel that would not ring an alarm bell in my head (for example, compare it to the one of the fake I class Partisan Stars on the previous page here, with those ugly red dots beneath the surface...). The screw nuts, they do appear "cheap" in my opinion, but you know, screwplates can be changed, and even if they are fake it doesn't prove much about the star itself. Right now, I would not be afraid of fake partisan stars, and the fact that the prices have started dropping would only discourage further from their imitation, at least for a good quality copy. But this is just my opinion, and I do agree that one has always to be extra-careful: fakes make the most damage at the begining, when it is known that there are NO fakes, so one doesn't pay too much attention. On the other hand, if you start being paranoid, you start... seeing things.