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  1. ThaiDave

    Thai Collection

    Hi Paul - Here it is
  2. Hi demir This is a well known series of fakes from Mike shank (aka mcstls) https://www.ebay.com/sch/mcstls/m.html?_...1&_from=&_ipg= https://www.ebay.com/sch/gshank0121/m.html?item=232970098725&hash=item363e199825%3Ag%3AUe4AAOSwSzdXA-XC%3Ark%3A4%3Apf%3A0&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562
  3. Socialist Republic of Vietnam – Friendship Order Hi All, I am adding SRV pages to my website, and I had some questions from the SRV collectors out there : 1. Does anyone have the 1997 regulations ? 2. Does anyone have different variations ? or brass vs. aluminum examples ? (not Friendship Decorations – that is another page) 3. Does anyone have any other references for this order ? 4. Does anyone have any award certificates for this order ? The draft page is here: http://www.indochinamedals.com/srv/o-10_friendship_order.html Rgds Dave
  4. Socialist Republic of Vietnam – Bravery Order Hi All, I am adding SRV pages to my website, and I had some questions from the SRV collectors out there : 1. This order was created by decree in 2003, and ratified in 2004. The design was given in the decree of 2006. Does anyone know when it actually came out ? in 2004 (was their earlier design info elsewhere ?) or only in 2006 when the design details were decreed ? 2. Does anyone know if the initial 2004 versions had 25mm ribbons and then 28mm per the 2006 regulations ? 3. Does anyone have any references for this order ? The draft page is here: http://www.indochinamedals.com/srv/o-09_bravery_order.html Rgds Dave
  5. Socialist Republic of Vietnam – National Unity Order Hi All, I am adding SRV pages to my website, and I had some questions from the SRV collectors out there : 1. This order was created by decree in 2003, and ratified in 2004. The design was given in the decree of 2006. Does anyone know when it actually came out ? in 2004 (was their earlier design info elsewhere ?) or only in 2006 when the design details were decreed ? 2. Does anyone have any pictures of the 2004 version ? 3. Does anyone have any references for this order ? The draft page is here: http://www.indochinamedals.com/srv/o-08_national_unity_order.html Rgds Dave
  6. Socialist Republic of Vietnam – Combatant Order Hi All, I am adding SRV pages to my website, and I had some questions from the SRV collectors out there : 1. Does anyone have any other variations? 2. Does anyone know what these other items are from (stone and copper)? 3. Does anyone have pictures or other info for the two early DRV types ? Or any certificates ? 5. Does anyone have additional references for this order ? The draft page is here: http://www.indochinamedals.com/srv/o-07_combatant_order.html Rgds Dave
  7. Hi All, I am adding SRV pages to my website, and I had some questions from the SRV collectors out there : 1. This order was created by decree in 2003, and ratified in 2004. The design was given in the decree of 2006. Does anyone know when it actually came out ? in 2004 (was their earlier design info elsewhere ?) or only in 2006 when the design details were decreed ? 2. There are two types of 2004/6 version ribbon. The red/blue version is not matching the 2006 design decree, however was reported in Ed Emering’s article as being valid. (size is smaller and color different) Maybe this was version in 2004 ? and 2006 version was final ? Anybody know ? 3. Does anyone have additional references for this order ? The draft page is here: http://www.indochinamedals.com/srv/o-06_fatherland_defence_order.html Rgds Dave
  8. Socialist Republic of Vietnam – Military Exploit Order Hi All, I am adding SRV pages to my website, and I had some questions from the SRV collectors out there : 1. Does anyone have any other variations? 2. The 1959 US Army publication shows without wreath. Anyone ever seen other evidence of this for an early type ? (that is not just one with a removed/lost wreath) 3. Does anyone have any more pictures of the early DRV type ? 4. Does anyone have additional references for this order ? The draft page is here: http://www.indochinamedals.com/srv/o-04_military_exploit_order.html Rgds Dave
  9. Socialist Republic of Vietnam – Labor Order Hi All, I am adding SRV pages to my website, and I had some questions from the SRV collectors out there : 1. Does anyone have any other variations? 2. There seems to be one authentic early numbered type. What other numbers do people have ? Has anyone been able to research recipients ? 3. I came across a more modern looking couple examples with numbering, which also have unusual colors. Presumably this is a copy ? Anyone else ever seen this type ? 4. There is a crude type with numbers out there. Presumably this is a copy. What other numbers do people have ? When do people remember first seeing this type ? 5. Does anyone have additional references for this order ? The draft page is here: http://www.indochinamedals.com/srv/o-05_labor_order.html Rgds Dave
  10. Socialist Republic of Vietnam – Independence Order Hi All, I am adding SRV pages to my website, and I had some questions from the SRV collectors out there : 1. Does anyone have any other variations, or know when/where any were made ? 2. Does anyone know of recipients lists ? 3. Does anyone have any other early DRV-type pictures ? 4. Does anyone have additional references for this order ? The draft page is here: http://www.indochinamedals.com/srv/o-03_independence_order.html Rgds Dave
  11. Hi All, I am adding SRV pages to my website, and I had some questions from the SRV collectors out there : 1. Does anyone have any other modern type pictures ? 2. I have come across 3 types reproductions of this order. Does anyone have any other different copy types or have any others with fake numbers ? (same or other numbers) Or when they starting seeing these on the market ? Or who has been making them ? 3. Does anyone know of recipients lists ? 4. Does anyone have any other early DRV-type pictures, or any people wearing other than Giap ? Or know which museums these pictures are from ? 5. Does anyone have additional references for this order ? The draft page is here: http://www.indochinamedals.com/srv/o-02_ho_chi_minh_order.html Rgds Dave
  12. Hi All, I am adding SRV pages to my website, and I had some questions from the SRV collectors out there : 1. I have come across several reproductions of this order. Does anyone have any other different copy types, have the reported early copy with plain back (without branches), have any other "numbered" reverses or duplicates of the numbers I have seen (30, 31, 33), know who made any of these, or remember when they may have first seen any of these ? (a previous report in 2000 didn't seem to indicate copies yet, but by 2003 there were 2 known copies made by Vietnamese dealers). 2. Does anyone know what the gold-star like badge is in the attached picture ? It was found in Vietnam perhaps in last 1990s. 3. Has anyone ever seen actual or a picture of the design given in the 1959 US Army publication (see attached pic) ? 4. Does anyone have additional references for this order ? The draft page is here: www.indochinamedals.com/srv/o-01_gold_star_order.html Rgds Dave
  13. Hi All, Reading thru the 1909 decrees, it says that they improved the appearance, and therein describe the "2nd type", so this seems the date of the design change on paper. The previous Thai orders book (red cover book shown in above post) says the same, although this description is placed in the book before the pictures of the 2nd type, so it could be a little confusing for non-Thai reader looking only at the dates. In the Thai orders book, the 1941 decree is placed at the 2nd type pictures. It's interesting that there are only a handful of pictures certain (picture with actual direct evidence of date of picture) to be before 1941 showing the 2nd type (and another handful which have some evidence to be before 1941, but not 100% certain - i.e. presumed date but could be early uniform worn later, etc). Most of the pics seen are foreigners - I've seen only 1 picture of a Royal Thai suspected to be before 1940s with 2nd type (personal collection from a major Thai collector/dealer, and it was the only one he said he saw also). Presumably there must be lots of pictures out there from this period (1909-1941). The early specimens 2nd type seem to be rare. I collect by date and variety, and I have seen only a few which appear to be very very old (potentially before 1950s). (I have about 400 examples, and probably seen in-hand another 1000, so perhaps it might be some kind of evidence?). Many of the examples which appear to be older are dated, and I think the earliest dated example I've seen is 2496 (1953). My Thai collector friends don't report earlier dated pieces (but Thai's don't collect medals much, with few deeply interested, so it's not so definitive. Thai instead focus on Buddhist medals/amulets). However, with this information, and that it has been a while since I carefully looked at them, I'll have to have a critical re-look... The 2nd type example above (in JapanX post) appears somewhat to be similar to Benson (UK) made example, but ribbon and box are new (maybe 70's + ?). J.W. Benson was the main early producer of (all/some types ?) Thai wearable medals. I've seen only 3 Benson made 2nd types of OWE, plus perhaps this one. I've not seen any confirmed Benson made 2nd type of OC (but have couple which could be quite old). As I understood, Benson was bombed in WW2 and stopped medal production then. Not sure if they stopped Thai medal production before then, or how much they were making the 2nd type. I have some both OWE and OC recovered from the Zimmerman fire of both types, so early type was still available later (WW2 bombed in Germany and put out of business, so confirmed date). There were other manufactures in Europe, however perhaps very low mintage. Thai's and most foreigners would not have changed the type they already had when the regulations were changed. And it may be that the old one was used until manufacturer stocks depleted, however long that might be (currently Thai government production doesn't meet demand, so there are no excess stocks except with third-party manufacturers who regularly carry stock, but who knows back then). The Thai government didn't make them originally, and Thai's would probably not be fussy about that. It might also be that the design was changed on paper, but the makers still made the old style ? Makers may not have made new dies until later ? Also, Thai government requires the return of a previous grade when increasing the grade - not sure how long that regulation has been there. The returned one is cleaned, and reissued (with new box and ribbon). Perhaps they reissued the old version for some time back then, if that practice was applicable ? So even if the design changed, there may be long overlap period until the old type was effectively phased out ? A lot of speculation - an interesting area for research. For comparison with the award certificates, from what I have seen, the old style certificate showing the old design medal was used up thru 1941, which the new style certificate showing the new design medal was used starting in 1942. Rgds Dave 1941 Certificate with old style medal picture 1942 Certificate with new style medal picture This is manufacturer difference. Check the reverse for potential date hallmark (last two digits in Thai B.E.)
  14. ThaiDave

    New Thailand Orders and Medals

    Hello Jovan You can find them from time to time.
  15. ThaiDave

    New Thailand Orders and Medals

    Hi Jovanmara Here is a pic for a first class (in real gold) And female version
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