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  1. New Thailand Orders and Medals

    Caz Some updates to the medals information: (upper left to lower right) photo 1 - Red cross 3rd class, Chakrabarti Mala (15 years service) (with ribbon of Chakra Mala Medal (25 yrs service)), order of the white elephant 7th class, Rama VII coronation medal, 100 yrs Bangkok commemorative medal, Korea service medal, Rama VI coronation, Red cross 2nd class (1st class with clear red enamel cross and usually in gold) (Issued red cross medals will be attributed with name on the reverse and the year of attribution would also be given, in Thai year B.E.) photo 2 - Order of the White elephant 5th class & Order of The Crown 5th Class (correct ribbon but worn (yes German style mount so presumably belonged to a German?), King Rama VII coronation Medal (on ribbon of Rama V reign as long as 2x Rama IV), Bangkok 100 yrs commemorative medal (with rare ribbon of WW 1 service), Rama IX coronation medal, 2 x Border service medals, East Asian Victory medal (WW2 front) photo 3 - order of the white elephant, Grand Cordon Star (current version –date can usually be found on the reverse hallmark, or perhaps if not stamped on the reverse then under the backplate which may usually be unscrewable but of course be careful – will be 2 digits of Thai year B.E. in Thai numerals) photo 4 - Commemorative Medal of the Royal State Visits to the United States of America and Europe o H.M. King Bhumibol Adulyadej Rgds Dave Caz Other hallmarks you might find: Order of the White Elephant current model may show the maker name and year of manufacture. (both 5th class and 7th class, but 7th class less often) Order of Crown, previous model, may show the maker name Chakabarti Mala may show the maker name and year of manufacture The commemorative medals I never saw hallmarks on. Rgds Dave
  2. Hallmarks ID Thai Orders

    Hi Caz 51 is 2551 - 543 = 2008 /2 is one of the Thai Mint marks. Now most of the medals are made there. Rgds Dave
  3. Hallmarks ID Thai Orders

    Hi EdMc This stamping give the maker and year of manufacture. The maker company name is เส่งหลี (Seng Lee). The year of manufacture is ๒๙ or 29 = (25)29 B.E., which equals 2529-543 = 1986 A.D. (See the Thai numbering system here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_numerals) Rgds Dave

    Seems that this was just a query to get a good ebay listing price... http://www.ebay.com/itm/THAILAND-SO-REAR-EMPTY-MEDAL-BOX-FOR-WHITE-ELEPHANT-CLASS-I-OR-II-/262940740033?hash=item3d387d49c1:g:94gAAOSwSlBYv9tU THAILAND, ประเทศไทย SO REAR "EMPTY MEDAL BOX FOR WHITE ELEPHANT CLASS I OR II _ eBay.pdf

    Hi obi007, This appears to be a medal box for a Class 1 or 2 Order of the While Elephant ? It is from the third party manufacturer, Arbhon Sbhakara, which is perhaps the first local manufacturer/reseller. I don't know the age, but it appears quite faded. It is missing the top tray which rests on the side boards. The sash space is below the tray, with the badge and star on the top tray. Here is a complete example for comparison (Order of the Crown, in Blue - I don't have any Order of the White Elephant photos of a box in this class handy). Rgds Dave
  6. Hi davidck This one looks ok. The other two that they have listed as genuine however are not... listed as " official type, extensively cleaned " but actually is Laslo Repro Type 1 https://www.emedals.com/a-rare-first-war-thai-victory-medal-1917-1918 listed as" official type " but actually is Laslo Repro Type 2 (aka Blass copy) https://www.emedals.com/a-rare-first-war-thailand-victory-medal-w2226 Rgds Dave
  7. Hallmarks ID Thai Orders

    Paul, Thailand uses Buddhist Era (BE), which is mostly 543 years later than the Christian/Common Era (AD). Usually only the latter two digits of the dates are used for medal hallmarks, although I've seen a couple medals with the full four digits. For earlier medals mainly from Rama V era, the Rattanakosin Era (RE or RS) of three digits is sometimes used, with year 1 starting 1782. There is a short description here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_solar_calendar Thai numbers can also be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_numerals Rgds Dave
  8. Hi Caz This is ก.ษ. (abbreviation for กองกระษาปณ์) = the Thai Mint, followed by the date stamp 33 overstamped with 34. (33 = 2533 = 1990, 34 = 2534 = 1991) Often sets from this time are stamped on both the breast star and the sash badge. Plus the star perhaps looks a little older in the picture. Perhaps the star was made earlier ? Sometimes there can be nameplates, hallmarks, or scratchings inside the star. If you press on the backplace and twist off counter-clockwise, you can remove it easily (if it was not glued in the screw). Don't twist the front off, as it is wire-tied in place. See dissassembled example (sorry, don't have handy one with internal marking just right now). Rama VI was King from 1911 to 1925 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vajiravudh). This set would be from Rama IX period. Rgd RDave
  9. Hallmarks ID Thai Orders

    Hi Caz, The first one (ประเสริฐศิลป์) is the medal manufacturer Prasatsin. The second one is a manufacturing date stamp ๐๘ (08) = 2508 (1965) The third one is ก.ษ. (abbreviation for กองกระษาปณ์) = the Thai Mint, followed by the date stamp 33 overstamped with 34. (33 = 2533 = 1990, 34 = 2534 = 1991) Rgds Dave
  10. Hi Caz The first set is an official government issues set. I can’t read the hallmarks, but they may give the date of original production. Usually only the last two digits is given, along with the maker name. (You can find Thai numbers easily online.) From reading the writing on the medal, the second medal is for the 100 year anniversary of the Thai scouts, in Bangkok in 2554 BE (2011 AD; AD = BE - 543). I don’t know the background how it was used, but perhaps it is a less or unofficial medal ? (Translation: obverse: 100 million thanks / 100 years of Thai scouts reverse: Bangkok 2554) Rgd RDave
  11. Order of the Crown of Thailand

    Hi cazack, Welcome to collecting Thai medals ! This particular medal was never made in a bronze class, so any bronze is a copy. Often one can often tell a copy by quality with a side by side comparison with a genuine example, but lacking that, then the quality should be as a mint strike like a coin. Hallmarks - the most common being "Monnaie de Paris" is also of course copied. Rama V medals are heavily copied, and most of what you find for Rama V medals inside and outside of Thailand will likely be copies. Non-Rama V medals are rarely copied.
  12. Order of the Crown of Thailand

    Hi cazack, This second medal is a copy of the Rama V Rajaruchi Medal. Rgds
  13. Hi davidck, This looks like a genuine one. But some others with this dealer don't: Laslo "repro" for collectors (read fake) described as genuine, but with an intermediate price : http://www.emedals.com/a-rare-first-war-thai-victory-medal-1917-1918 Other Rama V fake: http://www.emedals.com/a-thai-rama-v-royal-household-merit-medal-2nd-class-c-1900 Other major Canadian dealer items - This was sold as genuine, but was a Blass fake (Laslo Repro): http://www.medalsofwar.com/product/siam-wwi-victory-medal-type-1-official/ (went for $2500, but should be maybe $400 at most) Rgds
  14. Oliver860 Take a look at: Numismatic Forgery by Charles Larson : https://www.amazon.com/Numismatic-Forgery-Charles-M-Larson/dp/0974237124/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1476730037&sr=8-1&keywords=numismatic+forgery However, detailed inspection compared with a known good piece is pretty good at detecting copies for officially struck medals such as most of these. A modern forger usually doesn't have full mint-quality dies and machines to duplicate this quality, However Chinese forging factories seem to be doing well on this. More difficult to detect are medals not made by a mint, of which many varieties exist, and orders. Ernst Blass is infamous for his forging efforts. And some areas are totally overcome by fakes - German 3rd Reich everything, Vietnam-era patches, and probably others. All the Interallied victory medals and bars are faked by Mike Shank as described elsewhere, and are often passed as genuine. Many of the others are copied individually elsewhere.
  15. Hi. Speaking of this, a fake just listed on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/JR305-World-War-1-Victory-Medal-Siam-/201692847120?hash=item2ef5d49c10:g:wtMAAOSw8gVYA8w3 This is a Blass copy (Laslo referred to it as Repro 2). The seller responded: Thank you for the info., I see there are many types and thus it is up to the Buyer to know what they are bidding on as the details between the types can be very small to tell. I will be happy to answer any questions I can. Rgds RDave JR305-World War 1 Victory Medal-Siam.pdf