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  1. Hi EdMc This stamping give the maker and year of manufacture. The maker company name is เส่งหลี (Seng Lee). The year of manufacture is ๒๙ or 29 = (25)29 B.E., which equals 2529-543 = 1986 A.D. (See the Thai numbering system here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_numerals) Rgds Dave
  2. Seems that this was just a query to get a good ebay listing price... http://www.ebay.com/itm/THAILAND-SO-REAR-EMPTY-MEDAL-BOX-FOR-WHITE-ELEPHANT-CLASS-I-OR-II-/262940740033?hash=item3d387d49c1:g:94gAAOSwSlBYv9tU THAILAND, ประเทศไทย SO REAR "EMPTY MEDAL BOX FOR WHITE ELEPHANT CLASS I OR II _ eBay.pdf
  3. Hi obi007, This appears to be a medal box for a Class 1 or 2 Order of the While Elephant ? It is from the third party manufacturer, Arbhon Sbhakara, which is perhaps the first local manufacturer/reseller. I don't know the age, but it appears quite faded. It is missing the top tray which rests on the side boards. The sash space is below the tray, with the badge and star on the top tray. Here is a complete example for comparison (Order of the Crown, in Blue - I don't have any Order of the White Elephant photos of a box in this class handy). Rgds Dave
  4. Hi davidck This one looks ok. The other two that they have listed as genuine however are not... listed as " official type, extensively cleaned " but actually is Laslo Repro Type 1 https://www.emedals.com/a-rare-first-war-thai-victory-medal-1917-1918 listed as" official type " but actually is Laslo Repro Type 2 (aka Blass copy) https://www.emedals.com/a-rare-first-war-thailand-victory-medal-w2226 Rgds Dave
  5. Paul, Thailand uses Buddhist Era (BE), which is mostly 543 years later than the Christian/Common Era (AD). Usually only the latter two digits of the dates are used for medal hallmarks, although I've seen a couple medals with the full four digits. For earlier medals mainly from Rama V era, the Rattanakosin Era (RE or RS) of three digits is sometimes used, with year 1 starting 1782. There is a short description here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_solar_calendar Thai numbers can also be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_numerals Rgds Dave
  6. Hi Caz This is ก.ษ. (abbreviation for กองกระษาปณ์) = the Thai Mint, followed by the date stamp 33 overstamped with 34. (33 = 2533 = 1990, 34 = 2534 = 1991) Often sets from this time are stamped on both the breast star and the sash badge. Plus the star perhaps looks a little older in the picture. Perhaps the star was made earlier ? Sometimes there can be nameplates, hallmarks, or scratchings inside the star. If you press on the backplace and twist off counter-clockwise, you can remove it easily (if it was not glued in the screw). Don't twist the front off, as it is wire-tied in place. See dissassembled example (sorry, don't have handy one with internal marking just right now). Rama VI was King from 1911 to 1925 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vajiravudh). This set would be from Rama IX period. Rgd RDave
  7. Hi Caz, The first one (ประเสริฐศิลป์) is the medal manufacturer Prasatsin. The second one is a manufacturing date stamp ๐๘ (08) = 2508 (1965) The third one is ก.ษ. (abbreviation for กองกระษาปณ์) = the Thai Mint, followed by the date stamp 33 overstamped with 34. (33 = 2533 = 1990, 34 = 2534 = 1991) Rgds Dave
  8. Hi Caz The first set is an official government issues set. I can’t read the hallmarks, but they may give the date of original production. Usually only the last two digits is given, along with the maker name. (You can find Thai numbers easily online.) From reading the writing on the medal, the second medal is for the 100 year anniversary of the Thai scouts, in Bangkok in 2554 BE (2011 AD; AD = BE - 543). I don’t know the background how it was used, but perhaps it is a less or unofficial medal ? (Translation: obverse: 100 million thanks / 100 years of Thai scouts reverse: Bangkok 2554) Rgd RDave
  9. Hi cazack, Welcome to collecting Thai medals ! This particular medal was never made in a bronze class, so any bronze is a copy. Often one can often tell a copy by quality with a side by side comparison with a genuine example, but lacking that, then the quality should be as a mint strike like a coin. Hallmarks - the most common being "Monnaie de Paris" is also of course copied. Rama V medals are heavily copied, and most of what you find for Rama V medals inside and outside of Thailand will likely be copies. Non-Rama V medals are rarely copied.
  10. Hi cazack, This second medal is a copy of the Rama V Rajaruchi Medal. Rgds
  11. Hi davidck, This looks like a genuine one. But some others with this dealer don't: Laslo "repro" for collectors (read fake) described as genuine, but with an intermediate price : http://www.emedals.com/a-rare-first-war-thai-victory-medal-1917-1918 Other Rama V fake: http://www.emedals.com/a-thai-rama-v-royal-household-merit-medal-2nd-class-c-1900 Other major Canadian dealer items - This was sold as genuine, but was a Blass fake (Laslo Repro): http://www.medalsofwar.com/product/siam-wwi-victory-medal-type-1-official/ (went for $2500, but should be maybe $400 at most) Rgds
  12. Oliver860 Take a look at: Numismatic Forgery by Charles Larson : https://www.amazon.com/Numismatic-Forgery-Charles-M-Larson/dp/0974237124/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1476730037&sr=8-1&keywords=numismatic+forgery However, detailed inspection compared with a known good piece is pretty good at detecting copies for officially struck medals such as most of these. A modern forger usually doesn't have full mint-quality dies and machines to duplicate this quality, However Chinese forging factories seem to be doing well on this. More difficult to detect are medals not made by a mint, of which many varieties exist, and orders. Ernst Blass is infamous for his forging efforts. And some areas are totally overcome by fakes - German 3rd Reich everything, Vietnam-era patches, and probably others. All the Interallied victory medals and bars are faked by Mike Shank as described elsewhere, and are often passed as genuine. Many of the others are copied individually elsewhere.
  13. Hi. Speaking of this, a fake just listed on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/JR305-World-War-1-Victory-Medal-Siam-/201692847120?hash=item2ef5d49c10:g:wtMAAOSw8gVYA8w3 This is a Blass copy (Laslo referred to it as Repro 2). The seller responded: Thank you for the info., I see there are many types and thus it is up to the Buyer to know what they are bidding on as the details between the types can be very small to tell. I will be happy to answer any questions I can. Rgds RDave JR305-World War 1 Victory Medal-Siam.pdf
  14. Hi Macchianera72, A little worn, but looks like a genuine example. You can see the fine detail, and compare for example with the other copies in earlier parts of the the thread. Rgds Dave
  15. Hello Hoveyli, This is a Thai copy of the Prabas Mala medal (commemorating King Rama V trip to Europe in 1897). Although the original was made in France, this is a copy and the case is a fantasy. These, along with many other similar fabrications, can be found in Bangkok, ebay, and elsewhere; starting around $40 or so and up. If you search thoroughly, you may even find the shop where they are made. They are also often found in German and European auctions, without much regard for indicating they are copies. Even without knowing anything about these specific copies, or the details of the actual types actually made - It is pretty easy to see that it is a copy, as the quality of the strike, although seems ok at first, is not up to mint standards (compare say with a nearly unused coin for the quality of strike expected), and check the case on the insides show the original pre-aged cloth (check under the cloth on the back and between threads, etc). (Usually they are not real silver either, but some are found in silver and real gold.) On the other hand, from a Thai perspective, a copy like this is ok in it's right place - as King Rama V is highly venerated and having anything with his likeness is appreciated - especially if it is old-like with a nice appearance. For comparison, many people would be happy to have a Monet print on their wall, and not be plussed by it not being an original. Only a serious collector would be concerned for the difference. There are many different types of medals in this (Monnaie de Paris) copy series. Rgds Dave