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  1. Avsar, Thanks for the really good info and beautiful photos. Best wishes Demir Erman
  2. Order of Charity (Nishani Shefkat - Şefkat Nişanı) Instituted in 1878 by Sultan Abdulhamid II in three classes, this order was reserved for women. It was given in recognition of charitable work, or as a token of the Sultan's esteem. First Class breast star, in gold and enamels, each of five points and olives in olive branches set with diamonds, 57mm, with pin back suspension. Bestowed upon Leila Jessie von Heidenstam (1849-1921), wife of Oskar Gustav von Heidenstam, Swedish Envoy to Constantinople (circa 1876-1883). (From the collection of Ayhan Özcan)
  3. Four years ago our friend Auseklis from this Forum indicated that BB&Co of the Turkish War Medal stands for Binder Brüder & Co. from Lüdensheid. This Company was also mentioned amongst the German medal makers. So far non of our friends from the Forum said anything about it. I would be glad to hear your opinions. Also did German Companies used Co. for company and is the German sign for "and" is "&" ? Is it possible for our German friends to get in touch this Company and ask whether they ever produced TWMs. http://www.gebr-binder.de/ Regards Demir
  4. Hi, I would like to share my 2 piece EKI (Deschlersohn) and 3 piece EKII collection (2 of them are magnetic) and would like to receive your opinios please. Thanks. Demir EKI (Deschlersohn) 1870 EKII 1914 Magnetic (a)
  5. Turkish Pilots Badge variations

    What is belt buckle?
  6. I would like to share some photos of the Turkish Allies who have the TWM. PLEASE SHARE WHAT YOU HAVE ALSO: Top from left: 1. German Officer 2. German Officer - Asain Corps 3. Bulgarian NCO which was shared here in GMIC before by Theodor. 4. German Officer Bottom: 1. German Officer 2. Bulgarian Officers 3. Jordan Tal Scheich Jussuf Ul Ursan and Hauptmann Justin 4. German Officer in Maceonia 1917 Photos are shared by Mr. Iscen who collected them from the Net. Enjoy Demir
  7. Here is the table for Ottoman Turkish Order and Medal Ribbons. prepared by me. I used mainly Mr. Metin Erüreten's Ottoman Orders and Medal book to find out colors of the ribbons. Of course some of them I already have in my collection. I also will include 3 hard to find ribbon photos. (Şefkat Nişanı-Orders of Charity, Hareket-i Arz - Eartquake and Tahlisiye - Life Saving Medal 4 or more) Hope these will help Regards Demir
  8. Hi Historian, It is nice to have a granson of an officer in our Forum, welcome. Best wishes Demir Erman
  9. Turkish Liyakat medal

    Hi, It is silver. The asteriks is for the ribbon appliance I think. Regards Demir
  10. Atatürk - The Father Of The Turks 1881-19∞

    Hello Alex, Yes this is a military forum and Mustafa Kemal Atatürk was a military man, in fact a field marshall at the end who fought against the invading armies with success and founded the Turkish Republic. Best wishes Demir PS:
  11. Trench Art Ashtray - Balkans 1918

    Nice, enjoy
  12. Gallipoli Star (real or fake)

    Hello Gordon, Nice to hear from you. Yes you are right, Sometime ago, I remember, in one of the discussions, I have agreed to use those terms. I think this is the only medal in the world which could be produced by some other country and considered to be period item. There was no other way of course to be able to get the medal since there was no Turkish Government. Regards Demir
  13. Gallipoli Star (real or fake)

    Hi Lambert, As you know any medal which was not made during and after the WWI or ordered to a foreign producer (if there is any) by the Ottoman Mint is a replica or a copy (whichever word one prefers) which we consider as period items, because of the fact that people hasn't been able to get their medals from the Ottoman Government after the war so that they supplied their own medals from the German and Austrian manufacturers. What we are discussing recently was not the ones made during that period but medals produced recently and call them fakes. IMHO this is a period item, maybe Austrian make because of the style of the tougra. Date is missing. Best wishes Demir
  14. Order of Medjidie

    Hi, There are several medal books and one has to check each one of them. Your people can go the Archives and can ask the help of one of the people working there. I have done it myself for the Turkish War Medal recipients but I couldn't find most of them because they were given during the last years of the Ottomans and medals given by the Germans. As far as I know other medal and order books were kept well if the medals were not given during the lasy days. Best wishes Demir
  15. Order of Medjidie

    Hello Ovan, You have to apply to the Ottoman Archives in Istanbul. https://en.devletarsivleri.gov.tr/ There are several books containing the names of the recipients at the archives. The problem is you have to know the old Turkish script. Ask your friends to check the books in the archives again. Best wishes Demir
  16. Hello, A friend of mine has this painting and we are wondering about the identity of the pilot. Somebody suggested that he might be Oberleutnant Paul Leim. I would like to have your opinion please. Thanks Demir
  17. Gallipoli Star (real or fake)

    Hi, I wouldn't buy it Regards
  18. TWM made by Deschler & Sohn

    Here is a very rare Turkish War medal made by Deschler Munich which was founded in 1831. This medal belongs to a friend of mine. I am sharing the photos with his permission. Regards Demir (Deschler & Sohn was founded in 1831 in Munich. Even the famous "Pour le mérite" of the Prussian kings was made here, the Bavarian military service cross and almost all orders of the Second World War. In 1960 the Badge factory moved from Wirthstraße in Munich to the converted old distillery in Feldkirchen. Helmut Stillner steered the company's fortunes for 22 years. He joined Deschler & Sohn in the 40s as an employee. In 1975 his then boss, Gustav Kainz, offered him the company. "I could not buy the company back then, first I took over as a tenant and paid high amounts monthly," says Stillner. When the lease expired, he became owner. The company manager, who is living in Kirchseeon at the age of 77, recalls the work of the company, who is now living for 77 years: "Once a representative of the Vatican came and designed awards for us." At the invitation of Deutsche Nickelwerke, Stillner traveled to the Ethiopian Emperor Haile Selassie , Whose guard was equipped with metal fittings from Feldkirchen, just before his adversaries pounced against him. Later, Stillner made contact with businessmen from the GDR at an Inhorgenta trade fair in Munich: "They were keen on foreign exchange and we were able to produce very cheaply in Gablonz, so we were able to achieve large profit margins." This contact ensured the company, unlike some Co-competitors, after the fall of the wall the existence. In 1997 Stillner sold the Bavarian traditional company to the Austrian company Pichl in Inzing. But the company's name, Deschler & Sohn, is still being read in Feldkirchen: two employees, Birgit Lehrmann and Monika Kuhn, are taking orders and advising customers in a sales and show room at Sonnenstraße 26. - https://www.merkur.de/lokales/muenchen-lk/deschler-sohn-ordensschmiede-paepste-koenige-wird-abgerissen-859246.html )
  19. Fake or not, Order of Medjidie

    Hii Sorry but I did not understand this sentence " Demir, would it not depend on the size of the star whether it is 1st class or 2d class? I always thought that the 1st class stars are larger than the 2d class ones. I have a 1st class star that is 98 cm diameter and a 2d class one that is 88 cm, so 1 cm difference(see picture). Or is that coïncidence? " There is of course a size difference between 1st and 2nd Class Orders. On the other hand even same classes may have different sizes depending on the maker. I said most probably it is a 1st Class Order just looking at the amound of the diamond cuts on the Order. It may not be. There is no second Order to compare. Saabsafir did not write any measurements at all. So mine was just a guess. Best wishes Demir PS. Your Orders are also beautiful
  20. Fake or not, Order of Medjidie

    Hi, It is a nice Medjidie Breast Star most probably 1st Class. But the top part needs allignment (toward left) with the bottom part. The middle rays of the top part need to allign with the longest ray of the bottom. Nice order. Enjoy. Demir
  21. This is what I bought recently: Three documents belonging to the Confidential Sanitary Representative - Professor Tobold (Germany). 1. The award document, Medjidie Order 2 cl., the document is dated-1891. 2. Permission, Berlin-14 of May, 1891. 3. Letter from the Secretary General of the Imperial Medical Community, acceptance of professor Tobold to the Society. Letter - 24 June, 1890, Constantinople. Will it be possible to translate these documents into English. Best wishes Demir
  22. Oberst Karl Günste. Genstschef d. XX. Korps Hermann Freiherr Kövess von Kövessháza (30 March 1854 – 22 September 1924) was the final, and completely ceremonial, Commander-in-Chief of the Austro-Hungarian Army.
  23. Order of the Mejidie Crimean era 4th and 5th?

    De nada !
  24. Named Imtiaz Ottoman silver medal

    Yes there are records in the Ottoman Archives in Istanbul but there are several books and one has to go through the books. The problem is they were written in Arabic alphabet and one need to know that. Also, the date on this Medal is the Occupation of Istanbul by the Allied forces 13.11.1918. The name Grazia (thanks in Italian) and the date is interestind. There is another point, that space is allocated for the names not a name and a date. Especially after the occupation the Allied army people had access to everything and there was a puppet Government. Regards Demir
  25. Order of the Mejidie Crimean era 4th and 5th?

    Hi Chris, yes they are Crimean period Orders. The one on the left is the 5th class. The other one is most probably 4th Class. Regards Demir
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