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  1. In the case of Braunschweig, to be awarded the Kriegsverdienstkreuz 1. Klasse, you had to have the EK1. It was not automatic; you still had to be recommended for the award, but the only requirement to approve it was possession of the EK1. It did not require a separate act. The two Mecklenburgs awarded their decorations without regard to what Prussia did. You could receive the Militärverdienstkreuz 1. Klasse or the Kreuz 1. Klasse für Auszeichnung im Kriege whether you had the EK1 or not. Oldenburg was the same way, although Oldenburg also had the habit of awarding both classes of the Friedrich-August-Kreuz at the same time to people who already had the EK1 but had not yet received the OK2. Several recipients of the Kriegsehrenkreuz für heldenmütige Tat from Lippe-Detmold did not have the EK1. Although a pinback, Hessen's Kriegerehrenzeichen in Eisen was comparable to the Bewährungsabzeichen for Braunschweig's Kriegsverdienstkreuz 2. Klasse. You had to be from the state and have spent an extended period at the front lines and been wounded ("Ich will es hessischen Staatsangehörigen, die sich bei andauernder Betätigung in vorderster Kampflinie durch Tapferkeit ausgezeichnet und ihr Blut vergossen haben, auf Vorschlag ihrer Vorgesetzten und auf Grund besonders ergehender Bestimmungen verleihen."). The other awards were much rarer. Schaumburg-Lippe's was the rarest, since only 20 were awarded and 18 of those were to Fürstlichkeiten (and 11 of those were princes of Schaumburg-Lippe). Regarding people with more than one pinback besides the EK1, I would say the most common were Mecklenburgers with both the Schwerin and Strelitz pinbacks, and navy officers with the Mecklenburg-Schwerin and Oldenburg crosses. There were also probably a few X. Armeekorps officers with both the Braunschweig and Oldenburg crosses. I know of a small handful of IR 94 and IR 96 officers with both the Reuß and Sachsen-Weimar pinbacks and at least one IR 95 officer with Sachsen-Weimar and Sachsen-Coburg u. Gotha. The Kaiser had most, but not all (notably, not Schaumburg-Lippe's pinback, even though Kaiser Karl, Tsar Ferdinand and Sultan Mehmet V had it). Crown Prince Rupprecht had three (Lippe-Detmold and both Mecklenburgs). Hindenburg received at least six (Braunschweig, Lippe-Detmold, both Mecklenburgs, Reuß and Sachsen-Coburg u. Gotha) and probably also Oldenburg. Ludendorff had at least five (Lippe-Detmold, both Mecklenburgs, Reuß and Sachsen-Coburg u. Gotha) and probably also Oldenburg and Braunschweig.
  2. Here is an example of someone named an Offizier-Aspirant while still a Gefreiter, which seems odd. Personnel files often omit this Ernennung, and only list Beförderungen. Here is one with the Ernennung at the same time as the promotion to Unteroffizier: Another as an Unteroffizier, although only two weeks before promotion to Vizewachtmeister: Vizewachtmeister and Offizier-Aspirant at the same time:
  3. A medal bar with the SKM and post-war awards would not fit Ogilvie. He received the SEK3X in 1916 which under Schwarzburg regulations would replace the earlier SKM. So his post-war medal bar would have the Ehrenkreuz, not the medal.
  4. That's Harry. 29.06.35 Maj. (E) (RDA 01.06.34) 01.04.39 Oberstlt. 01.07.42 Oberst Other than two months (1.4.42-31.5.42) at the Heeresremonteamt Neu-Poserin, he remained at Breithülen throughout the war. Harry and Artur were brothers. Harry also had the BMV4X and MMV1, but no HOH3X or HH, nor the prewar awards, and as an E-Offizier received the Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung.
  5. It is possibly Artur August Anton Johannes Albert Sophus v. Müller from the 2.GUR. He had a prewar KO4 and received the MG3 from Mecklenburg-Strelitz on 21.7.1914, so after the publication of the 1914 rank list. He was promoted to Rittmeister on 8.11.1914 and served with DR 18 and as a Bataillons-Führer in an infantry regiment during the war. He received both the MMV1 and the BMV4X. He is not confirmed to have received the HOH3X. However, a Rittmeister v. Müller who was not Ludo from UR 5 or Harry from DR 7 was gazetted with the HOH3X in July 1918. I'm not sure if there were any other Rittmeisters v. Müller in 1918. He was born on 23.8.1882 in Groß Lunow, Mecklenburg-Schwerin, and was killed there by the Soviets on 6.6.1945. The Ehrenrangliste shows him as a Rittmeister a.D., while the 2006 edition of Gotha lists him as an Oberst a.D. I have not found him in any active Heer or Luftwaffe sources, so I assume he was a reserve officer or the like.
  6. More on the later Oberst Luitpold Steidle: • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luitpold_Steidle • https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/54097702/person/402065078985/facts Luitpold Steidle's Friedenstruppenteil was the Kriegsschule in München, so presumably his personal effects remained there when he was in the field and later taken prisoner in Stalingrad. Since he never returned to West Germany, he was possibly never reunited with them. Their father was also a Bavarian Army officer. Dr.jur. Eduard Steidle served as an Oberkriegsgerichtsrat with Etappen-Inspektion Nr. 6 and was promoted to Maj.d.L. in 1916. The navy officer Wolfgang was their first cousin, along with Wolfgang's brother Hans, who was a Feldunterarzt. Both were Luftwaffe officers, Hans as an Oberstarzt and Wolfgang as a Hauptmann d.R.z.V. in Seenotdienst.
  7. The only other Leutnant I found was Lt.d.R. Robert Steidle, brother of Luitpold from the ILR. There were also several medical officers. There was also a naval officer, Lt.z.S. Wolfgang Steidle, whose wife was a distant relative of mine. BTW, I don't know if you knew this, if you have a common name and want to narrow your searches in Ancestry to officers, you can put "Kriegsrangliste" under keywords and click exact match to remove all the Stammrollen from your results.
  8. His full name was Carl Ernst Wichard Winkelmann and he was born in Gardelegen. He was awarded the Schaumburg-Lippe Kreuz für Treue Dienste on 23.5.1918 as commander of Pionier-Bataillon Nr. 211.
  9. Some photos. The quality can't be helped, since they are digital photos of microfilm images.
  10. If you have his name and birthdate, you can look up the Bavarian Army Kriegsstammrolle entries on Ancestry.
  11. According to a file in the archives in Wolfenbüttel which I reviewed several years ago, 113 officers in HR 3 received the Kriegsverdienstkreuz. Only two were turned down, because they were in the Ersatz-Eskadron and not in the field with the regiment. Gropius is not in the list, so I doubt he was with HR 3 itself. However, he was with RHR 9 when he was promoted to Leutnant der Landwehr in November 1914. RHR 9 was raised by HR 3, so maybe he was among the first EK recipients in that regiment.
  12. This is probably a dumb question, but this is a lieutenant's uniform, isn't it? The Wikipedia caption is "Gropius in his sergeant's uniform during World War I". The section of the article itself on his service appears to have been written by someone unfamiliar with the German armed forces. It says Gropius "was drafted August 1914 and served as a sergeant major at the Western front during the war years (getting wounded and almost killed) and then as a lieutenant in the signal corps". Gropius was not drafted, but rather was called up as a reservist. He started the war as a Vizewachtmeister der Reserve in Reserve-Husaren-Regiment Nr. 9, and was promoted to Leutnant der Landwehr-Kavallerie I on 1.11.1914. The "signal corps" part is not completely wrong - he was a cavalry officer, but he did serve at the Heeresnachrichtenschule Namur. The article also says Gropius "was awarded the Iron Cross twice". That should really be he "was awarded both classes of the Iron Cross" (he was, although obviously the 1st Class came after the photo was taken). For what it's worth, he also received the Bavarian Militär-Verdienstorden 4.Klasse mit Schwertern and the Austro-Hungarian Militärverdienstkreuz 3.Klasse mit der Kriegsdekoration 3.Klasse. The German Wikipedia article is worse, as it identifies him incorrectly as an Unteroffizier der Reserve and mentions that he was wounded and received the Iron Cross.
  13. The vast majority of the Zähringen Lions awarded to Saxon officers in World War I were to IR 103 officers.
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