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  1. Can anyone give me a list of awards to: Freiherr Horst Julius Treusch von Buttlar-Brandenfels (the Zeppelin ace). Many thanks!
  2. Alex (jaba1914) emailed me the following IDs-- 1. Eisernes Kreuz 2.Kl. (09.01.1915) 2. Hausorden von Hohenzollern, Ritterkreuz mit X 3. Hohenzollern (not Prussian) Ehrenkreuz 3. Kl with X -- but I'm not sure. 4. Oldenburg, Friedrich-August-Kreuz 2. Kl. 5. Hamburg, Hanseatenkreuz 6. Austria, Militärverdienstkreuz 3. Kl
  3. This is the best photo I could find from the war. Can any of you "Adleraugen" identify the bar? Thanks!
  4. Wow, maybe this will be a two-way miracle, Vince. A laying on of hands and a laying on of Heilige Ordensspange! Can we have a photographer present? Thanks, Christophe. Not really being a medal guy I thought "x" meant "cross"!
  5. You can laugh, but while I'm not the kind of guy to hobble to Lourdes and leave my crutches (if I had crutches to leave), I am DEFINITELY mailing my B-B famous chest to you once I build it so you can touch it. I assume your dad shook hands with B-B at some point, and you've touched your dad. Maybe there is some of B-B's DNA on you!!! Time to take the tablets...
  6. Hey, if you're going to drop names, who better than a WW1 Zep ace!!!
  7. I'm crosseyed looking at cyphers! The simple cigarette case below has one on one side and his wife, presumably (with the smaller coronet), on the other. I'm guessing it's a household gift to someone of not-exalted rank. But who from? FA and SW or WS. I know there was a Friedrich August in Saxony and another in Oldenburg at this time, but the other cypher doesn't match their wives. Hallmarks are : crown, 800, 201236, D.R.G.M. and BC. My DRGM list dates this to 1903. Can anyone help?
  8. Understand, though I imagine it gets more complicated from there--those who were ennobled or "entitled" in the King's service, like Count von Bismarck, who probably started out in life as just another Junker with a five pointed crown. I wonder if he was given a land grant? At any rate, thanks for the clarification.
  9. Hi, Gunnar!  Hannes suggested I check with you about Horst Julius Treusch von Buttlar-Brandenfels (the Zeppelin ace) to see if we are missing any awards...

    PLM + HHOx + Ek1&2 + FA1&2 + HamburgX.  Are we missing anything?  Thanks for your help!


    1. Soderbaum


      Hi John

      Horst do have an BAMA file in Freiburg 6/5630. It is a good chance that this file have all his awards. I havent checked it. He ended up as Oberst in the Luftwaffe during WW2.

      Gott Nytt År


    2. Luftmensch


      Thank you, Gunnar. 

      Happy hunting in 2018!!


  10. Thank you, Vince. I remember reading that before about your dad! I'm sure you've read B-B's book, it is a hoot (not the raids against England, but his hijinks on the ground). Now if I do a famous chest I'll just have to let my imagination run wild! Hannes sees the PLM, HHOx, Ek1&2, HamburgX and Friedrich August X 1&2 (the last two incl. Hamburg Cross many airshippers seem to have gotten). But I think there may be are one or two more I see in photos... Happy hunting in 2018!
  11. So, that eliminates Friedrich August II, Grand Duke of Oldenburg? Leaving Friedrich August III, King of Saxony? But who is SW? FA's wife (who ran away after being accused of sleeping with her dentist, a man named O'Brien) was called: Luise Antoinette Maria Theresia Josepha Johanna Leopoldine Caroline Ferdinande Alice Ernestine, Princess Imperial and Archduchess of Austria, Princess of Tuscany, Hungary and Bohemia. Every letter in the alphabet but SW....
  12. Yes! It is the one in post #5, which you sold Ferg, carefully restored by a great jeweller!
  13. Thought I'd share my small flock of Godet Zepps, and encourage any others to come out of their roosts... Fullsize, converted from screwback to pinback. Prinzens--one of each. The Army has cut-out gondolas. Even the mini has amazing detail, right down to the longitudinal ribbing on the airship.
  14. Catch me up. What is the evidence for this 100 badge order?
  15. It was desirable to preserve a nucleus in all specialties, and presumably gainful employment was sufficient incentive in those days. I'm guessing the Reichswehr Army was strapped supplying uniform necessities without having to buy commemorative pieces. Unless you are saying an officer bought badges for those who served under him? Or, maybe, as with the non-portable aviation awards funded by the aero industry, he got a cheque from one of the manufacturers who profited from making these vehicles.
  16. Thank you for the badge at Zeppelinheim. You have one in your collection? Would you post it again to this thread? It seems you, me, Ferg and Carsten have half of the world's Godet Zeppelins!
  17. Not my area, but didn't the flamethrowers et al already have some kind of distinctive insignia? For the gearheads back then nothing impressed like an airship, a U-boat or a bloody great lumbering tank. I think size won. Big vehicle, big badge. Luca Brazzi and the gas troops weren't sexy enuff, I guess.
  18. Alex, for interest I added up all the identified GODETs in the two books (Baldes and Pandis) that came out, and the few other badges I know about. There are a few more GODET Zeppelins out there flying about than I thought...16 fullsize + Prinzen. What was that 3rd badge you say is in a Museum? Thanks. 10 x GODET Navy Zeppelin fullsize badges: 1. “LZ-103” engraved on nose; sold Wallis & Wallis; Pandis p. 261 2. marked GODET-WERNER BERLIN 938; sold Carsten Zeige; Pandis 263 3. “935” on pin; coll. German family; Pandis 263 4. Museum Friedrichshafen; Pandis 264 5. “JGuS” on pin; Baldes 594 6. Screwback; German family; Baldes 595 7. “Hans Masius” screwback; Baldes 596 8. Screwback converted to pin; John Bell; Baldes 597 9. Cliche; German family; Pandis 272 10. Fergus Gillett 1 x GODET Army Zeppelin fullsize badge 1. “Arthur Wurbs” cliche; sold Kai Winkler; Baldes 575, Pandis 272 4 x GODET Navy Zeppelin Prinzen badges 1. John Bell; Pandis 265 2. marked “20643”; Aeronauticum Nordholz; Baldes 609, Pandis 268 3. “Walther Fischer”; Georg Bewersdorf; Baldes 608, Pandis 270 4. “Wolff-Vorbeck”; Georg Bewersdorf; Baldes 607, Pandis 271 1 x GODET Army Zeppelin Prinzen badge 1. “Hermann Rotzoll”; John Bell; Pandis 268
  19. Chris, I agree with Alex, biased as I am! Your parallel is the Zeppelin Commemorative badge, which came after the war, did have some qualification criteria, went to an arm that didn't achieve much but came into its own later (strategic bombing), and probably only had a lobby of a few score officers (with only several hundred badges subsequently purchased). As Hans von Schiller wrote in 1920 about the production of this new badge: The idea had already emerged in 1916, as many comrades from the Airship branch might recall...why the proposal got no further, is unknown to me....After the Revolution, when the [Airship] Branch was dissolved by order of the enemy, the idea was taken up again by Korv.-Kap. Sommerfeld to create a Commemorative Badge for the many missions over the enemy. So it sounds like it was not a priority during the war, and a tchotchke afterward to salve some wounded pride! After that, like the Tanker, it became a commercial venture for any jeweller who wished to stock and retail them for a limited market. As for approving such a badge--not much else for the Luftsreitkraefte to do in 1920 but arrange for the sale of their Zeppelins overseas as per Versailles. If you were lucky enough to win a commemorative Zeppelin Becher there was no money for postage so come and get it!!
  20. Turkish Pilots Badge variations

    Hello, I posted one of these on Aerodrome with a similar query and got no joy. My original question was, we're all familiar with the German made Turkish pilots badges, but what do we know about the Turkish made ones? For example, what does the Koranic/Islamic script on the front of this Turkish made badge translate to? It is the same character on the front of the Gallipoli Star, so I believe it to be pre-1918. But I know of this varaition which has a completely different cartouche, and a smaller enamelled character. Any thoughts on what the difference signifies? Could this be a transitional piece? Helmut Weitze told me he thinks it is a secularised Kemal Ataturk period pilot's badge, but that is only a guess. Any thoughts? Any Islamic scholars? Rgds John
  21. Russian Zeppelin Killer

    Very interesting. From Wikipedia: Niva...was the most popular magazine of late-nineteenth-century Russia; it lasted from 1870 to 1918, and defined itself on its masthead as "an illustrated weekly journal of literature, politics and modern life." Niva was the first of the "thin magazines," illustrated weeklies that "contrasted with the more serious and ideologically focused monthly 'thick journals' intended for the educated reader."[1] .....In his autobiography, Maxim Gorky says that his employers in the early 1880s subscribed to Niva "for the cut-out patterns and the prize offers; but they never read it"; he himself, however, was enthralled by the volumes he pulled out from under their bed and read at night...It continued to be popular after the October Revolution, especially in the provinces (in the capitals it was the object of frequent jokes by the sophisticated), but was closed by the Bolsheviks in September 1918.