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Ross Mather

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  1. Recently purchased. A 1937 Coronation Gold Staff Officers Baton. King George VI monogram and 'Coronation 1937' underneath. Accompanied by a gilt wooden plaque indicating this belonged to R. L. Murray-Lawes. 2nd Lieutenant R. L. Murray-Lawes served with 2nd Company, 4th Battalion, Grenadier Guards during the First World War. The Staff officers were chosen from the three services - Army, Royal Navy and Royal Airforce. As well as the Baton they also wore a gold wool armband with a high quality finish. The duty of the Gold Staff Officer at the Coronation of King George VI and Queen Elizabeth was to Marshal the Coronation procession inside Westminster Abbey. Robert Letheridge Murray-Lawes finished his military career in the rank of Lieutenant- Colonel after the second world war.He was the owner of the 423 acre Old Park Mansion Estate near Dover, which at the outbreak of the second world war, he gifted to the Ministry of War. .
  2. Very nice helmets .....which I am assuming were Alan's at one time? Knew your dad well over a period of many years of collecting with a specific police collectors organisation. This is one of the nicest helmets in my collection. A helmet of an Inspector. The Inspectors helmet from the rear. The metal fittings are all silver plated. Not police but worthy of inclusion on a military appreciation site. In my collection a rare officers rank helmet of the 4th Volunteer Battalion, South Wales Borderers. Very proud to have been able to acquire this helmet for my collection a few years ago.
  3. Hi Ringo. I was a member for many many years - ( I am in Wales )....its a fantastic organisation with members in many different countries . I have no doubt that you will make many new friends with other fellow insignia collectors. Best wishes for 2018.
  4. Hi Ringo. The helmet plates that you enquire about are available. Can I suggest that you consider joining an organisation called the 'Police Insignia Collectors Association of Great Britain'...............PICA. You will find all of their details on their website. They hold periodic swap / sell /buy m types of police memorabilia meetings where memorabilia is available to the members. Best wishes.............Ross
  5. Thank you. A photo of a few more of them. Ross
  6. Just to throw this into the mix ;-) I have a large collection of decorated Welsh truncheons. I've uploaded a couple of photos of some of them. The bulbous one 'CANAL' was of the Brecknock & Abergavenny Canal. It has painted details V1R and the monarchs Crown. This to show that the holder (likely a Constable) was acting on the authority of the 'Crown'. Also the orange coloured one to the left.........N.H.C.....Newport Harbour Commision police .... mid Victorian and again.....displaying the monarchs crown. Ross
  7. I have two of these Victorian belt buckles of the former Barry Dock Police. One is available for exchange for any other interesting and older Welsh police items for my collection. Ross
  8. There were no rules and regulations as to uniform and insignia in those days. Many Victorian Dock Company police badges have Victorian crowns. See no good reason to believe that Canal Company Police would be any different. Ross
  9. The chain surround could also point towards having a connection / theme to water. Often, chains / anchors / ropes were incorporated into their insignia. There were a lot of Canal Companies around in the Victorian times, and it was not unusual to have very few or even just the one policeman. My thoughts as a possibility for BTC - Bridgewater and Taunton Canal. Worth researching to see if this company had a policeman or police force. Most will have had police for the protection of cargo and company property. Ross
  10. Hello Steve. I do also have Bute Dock Police insignia.....but this post refers to the Barry Dock Police - not the Bute Dock Police. Ross
  11. I thought that I would share photographs of two Barry Dock Police tunic belt buckles that I have been able to add to my collection over the years. Exceptionally rare and both with Victorian crowns. As you can see they vary slightly in design and construction. I counted myself exceptionally fortunate to find one about 15 years ago (the worn one). A month ago I was fortunate enough to purchase the second one, which has not been worn through polishing. Barry Dock Police (Wales) was formed when the dock opened in 1889. The Barry Dock & Railway Co. changed its name to the Barry Railway Company in 1891. I believe that these buckles may pre-date 1891.
  12. Hello both. I have not been on this site for some time and was saddened to learn of the passing of Mervyn. I have known Mervyn since about 1980, and often corresponded with him. In the old days this was by way of a pen, paper and envolope that you'd put a stamp on!!! Rest In Peace Mervyn. Fond memories of a kind and generous man. In answer to the two above items. I have only ever added one of these batons to my collections on the one occasion. I have not researched them or their useage and was only given information by Mervyn. As such, cannot add much about the baton or the brassards Im afraid. Ross
  13. http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_08_2014/post-6668-0-71751500-1408302185.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_08_2014/post-6668-0-62908400-1408302218.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_08_2014/post-6668-0-56034100-1408302277.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_08_2014/post-6668-0-81418200-1408302329.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_08_2014/post-6668-0-23498100-1408302352.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_08_2014/post-6668-0-51977900-1408302372.jpg Hello Mervyn. I have recently acquired this truncheon for my collection. The first picture shows 'before' and the rest of the photos 'after' I spent some time cleaning off the grime of a century and a half or two. Unusually long....24 inches, and flush fitted into it, near top just above the arms, is an inserted tacked in brass ring, with stamped letters VR. The letters VR may have been a later addition? as my gut feeling is that this truncheon is a little earlier. The painting has been done by someone very skillful. The arms have supporters both sides of rampant lions. The scroll at the bottom says AIMEZ VERITE. The quartered shield shows 1. Ermine 2. Spread eagle. 3. Spread eagle 4. Three Fleur de Lys. I would value your expert opinion and that of anyone else who may be able to shed any light on its origins. Thanks............Ross
  14. Hi Mervyn. I have downloaded some photos and text taken from the website of 'The College of Arms' relating to the planning of a Coronation at Westminster Abbey. As you will see the reference and photo show that other coloured Staff were used by officers with other specific duties. The text is....". The arm brassards shown on the left were worn during rehearsals by (from top to bottom): Abbey staff; Gold Staff Officers; tailors and technical attendants; doctors and medical attendants.The congregation were marshalled and ushered in Westminster Abbey by Gold Staff Officers, and others had related responsibilities. They were marked out by the staves they carried. The Gold Staff Officers' staves were designed by the Goldsmiths' Company, following discussions between the company and the Earl Marshal's Office about aspects of their design and their cost. Shown here are drawings of designs for the staves of the Gold Staff Officers, alongside seven examples of different staves.
  15. What are your opinions on these? Group described as Steward's Coronation Batons. Ross
  16. Thanks for the information Mervyn. One of the main attractions for me was the fact that it had provenance. Would be nice now to try and find other rank different coloured staffs.....and perhaps the arm bands that were also worn. There are a couple of chips to the paint, so may look to follow your suggestions of protecting it with a layer of varnish. Best wishes..............Ross
  17. Whoops.....don't know how I have managed to do that with the text!!!!
  18. The NATO Summit was held in Wales during 2014. I was Site Manager in Cardiff for a large Welfare Cell hubime needs catering for all tee welfare and downtime needs of police officers from all over the UK. Some officers on specific duties only, were issued with a blue NATO Police baseball cap. The cap is bi-lingual in both English and Welsh. A highly sought after cap. Photographs of mine for those of you who collect ball caps.
  19. They did host the event Nick....NATO Summit Chicago 2012. No ball caps.....only plain sky blue NATO public order helmets ....or their own standard Department headwear.
  20. I agree Mervyn. Not my idea of memorabilia either.....but a big part of collecting police memorabilia these days. Each to their own I suppose. The peak looks oversize, but is just an optical illusion caused by the angle of the photo. You would not believe how highly sought after these were amongst the officers as only a small percentage were issued with them, - only certain level PSU's. Ross
  21. Glad to say Mervyn, this is now the second Newport spiked helmet in my collection. I know....its just being greedy . I regularly get offers to purchase police memorabilia....sellers contacting me through my website. Its not often that I go out and about looking any more Mervyn, as it seems to find me these days! Not the same level of fun I know, but still a good source of historical police items. Only yesterday agreed with a private seller to purchase some quite rare Victorian era police memorabilia. Hope you are keeping well my friend. Ross
  22. New acquisition this week to add to my collection. Although my second spiked helmet from this force, so rare that I could not say no to it. A pre 1953 spike top helmet of the former Newport (Mon.) County Borough Police in Wales. Newport put itself well and truly on the world map hosting the 2014 NATO Summit. The small force of Newport amalgamated with Monmouthshire County Constabulary in 1967 to form what is now the Gwent Police area. Incidentally, the Mon. (short for Monmouthshire) was added to the force name to prevent what had become a problem when Newport in Monmouthshire was getting confused with Newport, Isle of Wight.
  23. Hi. Thank you for your message. I can assure that ....it is painted.....and its not a transfer. I have collected truncheons and British police memorabilia for 45 years, and do have some knowledge...... www.britishpolicehelmet.co.uk ....and took their word of someone that it was original, which later became obvious that it wasnt.
  24. I am glad to report that my cap is now to be returned next week. I will take great pleasure in returning the painted piece of wood! Lesson learnt
  25. That made me smile Mervyn ....and, I doff my cap to the 'Master'. I do though disagree, that you or your book are in any way to 'blame' regarding the prices of truncheons and tipstaffs. Before your book was published, little was known about them except for the long and many decades out of print Fenn Clark. You awakened the collectors interests to what was actually out there, if youonly took the time to do a bit of searching. The same can be said even of today. But, I just hope that this post will be a warning to others that without caution, and taking total trust in someone you do not really know, even a collector of 45 years such as myself, can be duped. The vast majority of collectors are good and honourable people, but this does prove a point that there are also some unscrupulous ones too Ross