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NickLangley

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  1. This is a fascinating thread . For instance, how would we react, nowadays, to a presiding magistrate who is: the mayor, but also a member of the Watch Committee and the de facto and de jure boss of the the Pc who made the arrest and the prosecuting Chief Constable? Where's my lawyer?
  2. Not necessarily British policemen. The traditional British police helmet was modelled on the army's Home Service Helmet and military fashion would suggest that other organisations followed suit. For example Pennsylvania State Police wore British pattern helmets for a time. A close inspection of the helmet plates shows that there is no crown on the eight pointed star. Now a few British forces did wear crownless helmet plates, but commonsense would suggest that these are continental soldiers wearing the latest military fashion Circa 1904-5.
  3. The Chief Constable of our local force has followed his predecessor's example by wearing collar dogs along with tabs on his uniform jacket. To me this looks quite odd. What do the GMIC fashion police think of this innovation?
  4. Well, according to this link http://www.guardian.co.tt/lifestyle/2011/08/31/star-david the Trinidad connexion looks dubious. It states that the Trinidad Constabulary was wearing a "Star of David" type badge well before the end of the 19th Century.
  5. So where on the wicking t-shirt do you wear the ribbon?
  6. It's hard to imagine someone of Mr Perrott's social standing being a "hobby bobby" nowadays. But then you only have to look at old photos (during the General Strike in particular) to realise that the Special Constabulary then was a very different creature from its modern counterpart.
  7. I'd say that being Commandant of a small borough's special constabulary pre-WW2 was very much a position in the local social/political scene. As he subequently became mayor it's a pretty good bet he sat on the Watch Committee and was, in effect, the Chief Constable's boss.
  8. The general view is that this badge was not an issue item but was manufactured and purchased privately. Which reminds me of Sir Hugh Orde, erstwhile President of the Association of Chief Police Officers, who generated some derision by being photographed wearing an ACPO cap badge of his very own design. Unfortunately, for future collectors, his badge lacked the "quality" of its Great War counterparts, looking more like a gift from a Christmas Cracker. Truly a plastic policeman.
  9. Pretty good. Both Metropolitan Police officers and you have their collar numbers. "C" division covered Mayfair and St James. The Metropolitan Police have a family records department which you can find on the net. I think they charge a few £ to search their database.
  10. A handy link to Boston (Mass) Public Libraries who have very kindly digitised the whole book Book of Public Arms
  11. Great post Kilkenny, And when you take a closer look at #1 it doesn't look quite "right". But I do have to tip my hat (helmet?) to the props manager who went to such trouble to be that accurate. We can all think of some of the more egregious mistakes modern tv/film designers make when it comes to historical accuracy.
  12. The quality is superb. Pity the collectors of a hundred-years'-time discussing the finer points of an unissued wicking polo and ID lanyard.
  13. Officers with jelled hair and designer stubble.
  14. Not the finest example of the patchmaker's art but at least Illinois State Police had a go. I seem to recall that The Met opened a gift shop a few years ago to sell Met-themed merchandise a la NYPD. Loads of stuff (cufflinks, desksets and the like) designed to appeal to the over-seventy-year-olds. Utterly clueless.
  15. Why are the Brits so poor at this kind of thing? I haven't got a problem with the ballcap per se but at least put some effort into the graphic design! I can't imagine the Americans hosting a similar event and ending up with a such a naff souvenir.
  16. Imagine the fun our great-great grandsons will have pouring over the finer points of wicking t-shirts and hi-viz fleeces circa 2014.
  17. I forgot Halifax County Borough Police. The town is now part of the Metropolitan Borough of Calderdale in the former Metropolitan County of West Yorkshire - which was abolished in 1986 - but still within the jurisdiction of the West Yorkshire Police. See, we do like it complicated!
  18. This dates back to a very complicated time in the reorganisation of policing and local government in England and Wales. The West Riding Constabulary was the force for the West Riding of the County of York. When the county borough forces of Barnsley, Dewsbury, Doncaster, Huddersfield and Wakefield were subsumed into the West Riding force under the Police Act 1964 the new force was renamed West Yorkshire Constabulary. Of course there were other county boroughs within the West Riding that did not join the West Yorkshire force. Sheffield and Rotherham merged while Bradford and Leeds City forces remained independent until 1974. In 1974 local government was reorganised: the county boroughs and the West Riding were abolished and a new Metropolitan County of West Yorkshire created. West Yorkshire Metropolitan Police was formed by amalgamating the West Yorkshire Constabulary with the Leeds and Bradford city forces. The county boroughs of Doncaster and Barnsley were moved to a new Metropolitan County of South Yorkshire so those parts of the West Yorkshire Constabulary along with parts of the West Riding and Sheffield and Rotherham became South Yorkshire Police.
  19. Wanted British Colonial Cyprus Police Badge

    It would be easier to recreate the badge as a vector image. The lion is generic British Army and the rest is straight from stock. A competent designer should be able to produce one in an hour so.
  20. Three for the price of one. White helmets as worn by the Margate Borough Police
  21. I always have a bit of a soft spot for the RCMP. Back in the day when I first began collecting police insignia as a youngster I sent off a letter to the Mounties HQ. And by return they very generously sent a selection of beautiful full colour photos and a cap badge for my collection. In fact it was always fascinating to receive a letter from some American or Canadian city's police chief with one of their patches enclosed. At the time they seemed very glamorous and colourful when compared with the British forces - who, without exception, never replied!
  22. The shoulder number raises the question: if the four digit serial was merely to identify the jacket would it have been OK for one officer to borrow another's without switching the numbers? Somehow I don't think so!
  23. Quite a few forces preferred this rather more military style - Nottingham City and subsequently Nottinghamshire amongst them. Sadly the powers-that-be decided to switch to a Met-style helmet (but, thankfully, still with Nottingham's unique furniture) a few years ago.
  24. I think it's because of its size and geographic focus. CofL Police is the only one that possibly retains the "esprit de corps" that was part and parcel of the old borough and city forces. It's very difficult to imagine a constable getting nostalgic about Thames Valley or a senior officer, who has served for a couple of years in half a dozen different "police areas" being that bothered about his (or her) current service's history.
  25. I do recall an old City sweat telling me that when patrolling in pairs around the city centre they were instructed to walk side by-side down the centre line of the pavement "like they owned the place" and that they were only to give way to females and the elderly.
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