-
Posts
432 -
Joined
-
Last visited
-
Days Won
7
Content Type
Profiles
Forums
Blogs
Gallery
Events
Store
Posts posted by Herman
-
-
-
-
When Korean Veterans visited Korea long after the war, they were awarded a Commemorative medal.
Sofar I found several examples which of I will attach a picture.
Can the gentlemen on this forum add some details of who awarded these and why and share some insight on the different types.
I am also curious if any country authorized these medals for official wear.
Regards
Herman
Some different types.
.
And some more which are slightly different.
0 -
-
-
Yes, it is the cross for succesfully participating the first time.
0 -
And this Wehrmachtbeamter somehow got a WW2 EK2 wiederholungsspange and not a KvK.
Interesting.
Regards
Herman
1 -
Experience and seeing hundreds of correct medal sets.
And studying the 100 % original issued medals.
This gives you the feel and eye to pick out the copies and fakes.
To be frank, it is sometimes a puzzle why some normal inexpensive Dutch medals are copied.
Regards
Herman
0 -
This is 100 % a WW2 Spink version. The pin on the back confirms this.
A Gaunt WW2 version looks like this. The brooch (pin) is distinctively different.
Both are made in the several hundreds. Approximately 600 to 800 each. They can be bought for around 200 euro a piece including the original box.
Regards
Herman
0 -
4 hours ago, CollectorInTheUSA said:
Thank you... To be honest, this is primarily why I don't even bother collecting anything German from WWI and WWII. The items are just so expensive and so faked, that it doesn't make for fun and easy collecting. It's just a shame...
Yes, same here.
When I was a teenager I bought a few German WW2 medals. This was way before Internet. A few years ago I found them, took some pictures and asked around, also on this forum, if my purchases from the 70-ties were genuine. It turned out that 90% wasn't. This was quite sobering for me, so I sold them all and will never collect German militaria again.
I am still no expert on them and if I look at the pictures in this topic, I think: Oh that looks nice, immediately know ing that it's a fake i'm looking at.
Thanks for the learning experience. Don't disclose all the details. The fakers are looking also and learning from the comments.
Cheers
Herman
0 -
-
On 31/10/2021 at 23:18, 91-old-inf-reg said:
@Herman, Thank you, this is phenomenal!
From what the document states, Freiherr von. Schimmelman was a Hauptman while apart of the 2nd Westfälisches, and had to have served in it prior to 1913
This is very helpful, thank you again.
Regards
Yes, offcourse it's
It is the site of the Dutch Chancellery of all Dutch Orders.
The site is in Dutch ?. Just type in the name, hit enter and all hits for this name show up.
Also Foreign Orders (Non Dutch), awarded by Foreign States to Dutch citizens are mentioned. They only show up if the recepient made an official request to the Chancellery to wear them.
Regards
Herman
0 -
Good evening,
He indeed received a Dutch award. On June 26th, 1913 he was awarded an Officers Cross in the Order of Oranje Nassau.
See attached pdf.
Regards
Herman
0 -
Hi Pieter,
Good idea to search a bit deeper.
I found this picture via Google search on the Internet. In the lower left corner is the Nordbat 2 medal.
It looks like van Wielik used the original ribbon for your medal. The other 5 medals are 2 NATO medals and 3 Danish medals perhaps including a Dancon marching medal?!
As the Dutch group only has three medals and nothing more, I presume the wearer left the Dutch Army quite soon. So perhaps a shorttimer (a BBT pvt or cpl).
Regards
Herman
1 -
Hi Pieter, it probably was for some sports activity. Never saw it before i'm afraid.
The Danish had a medal for a marching event, I believe called the Dancon March. Maybe this is something similar.
On the other hand I found this article:
Some insight on Nordbat 2.
Maybe the Dutch wearer was attached to Nordbat 2 and therefore wears proudly his Swedish medal.
Regards
Herman
1 -
The Dutch military mount their medals in a so called Prussian style. It was officially adopted in/around 1913 for officers in the forces. Around 1928 it was authorized for NCO's and lower. The story is that the spouse of the Dutch Queen Wilhelmina, called Prins Hendrik (Prince Henry/Prinz Heinrich), who was originally from Germany, introduced this style in the Netherlands. They married in 1901, so it took some years to be adopted.
Dutch civilians till today wear their medals hanging from the ribbon.
Regards
Herman
An example.
0 -
-
I am speechless. Thank you Komtur for showing us these fabulous medal bars.
Regards
Herman
0 -
In the Dutch Officers list of 1880 the Prince is mentioned with all his awards. The first person mentioned in the picture is the king William III and the second person is our guy.
I checked all mentioned awards. Most of them are Grand Crosses of German States like Hanover, Baden, Nassau, Hessen-Kassel, Oldenburg, Wurtemberg and countries like Spain, Russia, Portugal, Sweden and Norway and Austria.
Of the identified awards of his bar I recognize the following:
The small 4 arms cross in position 3 is the Dutch Metal Cross 1830-31,
Number four (65) is the Dutch Officers Cross with yearsign 65.
The small 5 arms cross on number 5 is the Dutch Silver Cross 1813-15,
SG4 on position 10 is the Russian Knight 4th class of the Order of St. George,
On position 29 (of 31), Ykr.2.kl, is the Prussian Iron Cross 2nd class of 1813.
The first award mentioned is the Grand Cross in the Dutch Military Williams Order, also visible in the picture under his medal bar.
The medals in position 6 to 9 in his above mentioned and shown medal bar are not in the list unfortunately. Medal number 7 to 9 are 100% identified with the help of some experts on this forum.
So what could the unidentified medal in position 6 be? A Russian medal of St. George perhaps? Were they awarded for the wars in 1813-15? I saw one hanging from an yellow-orange ribbon. Could this be the one?
Happy sofar with the developments in this topic.
Thanks very much, Regards
Herman
0 -
Johan, Alex and Leonard, thanks for your replies.
This painting of the Prince was as an old man. He died in 1881. Thanks to your medal asessment I think number 5 is the Dutch Officers Cross. In this form it was awarded from 6 december 1866 onwards (till today).
The painting is therefore made between 1866 and 1881. It is exhibited in Palace Het Loo, in Apeldoorn, the Netherlands.
The Russian awards make sense as well as the Dutch Royalty was close to the Russian royalty with some in between marriages and all in those days.
That leaves medal nr 6 unattributed as a Dutch long service medal was only awarded to all military personell lower than the rank of 2nd Lieutenant.
Furthermore
Thanks a lot. This is very helpfull.
PS: The old Prince is also my avatar. ?
Regards
Herman
0 -
Good evening,
I enclose a picture of the uniform of Dutch Field Marshall Prince Frederick of the Netherlands.
As a very young man he was an officer in the Prussian Army. In 1813 he became a Dutch Colonel. Later he was promoted to General and ultimately in 1840 to Field Marshall.
He appreciated the medals he was awarded in the war of 1813-1815 and wore them when he was in uniform.
In later life he was pictured on a painting in his Field Marshall uniform with his early medals.
The Iron Cross 1813 2nd class is obvious. The third medal is the Dutch Metal Cross 1830-31, the fourth medal is the Dutch Silver Cross 1813-15.
The rest is unknown to me sofar. The colours of the ribbons are hopefully correct and will help a bit. The medals are all painted without details which is unfortunate.
All help is welcome.
Herman
0 -
He had enough to open his own medal store. ?
1 -
20 hours ago, QSAMIKE said:
There is an old joke about the way some people look towards the various grades.....
C.M.G. (COMMANDER) Actually means:
CALL ME GOD
K.C.M.G. (KNIGHT COMMANDER)
KINDLY CALL ME GOD
G.C.M. G. (GRAND COMMANDER)
GOD CALLS ME GOD
Brilliant ???
0 -
It is the Oranje Nassau medal in bronze.
In old Black and white pictures the ribbon shades are reversed. It has something to do with the development of the picture I read somewhere.
Please check the left person (Major General de Veer) in the below picture taken in 1913.
His first award is a Knight in the Order of the Dutch Lion. The colors are reversed. What should be dark is light and vice versa.
Regards
Herman
1
Turkish Liyakat medal
in Germany: Imperial: The Orders, Decorations and Medals of The Imperial German States
Posted
Whoa azyeoman, what a gorgious group. Stellar.
Regards
Herman