JSlavick

This thread is going great! Martin, the hand-coloring is really cool! Here is a nice compliment to your Taufschein. Joe

Hello All: Last month I mentioned I would be scanning some documents from Orion. These are especially special to me because all three were printed or mimoegraphed aboard the ship. The paper is a bit frail and faded, but the documents still speak their history boldly. Joe

My post is not specifically in response to the Japanese badge question, it is more about numbers and in response to Martin’s comment and question of 05 march 2013: “But I think that to earn the HK award you had to have service on one of the Raiders? I find it hard to believe that these awards were given to crewmen who served on Blockade Breakers only, but who knows ?” The official Kriegsmarine designation “Hilfskreuzer” is larger than just what we think of as the “raiders.” The auxiliary minelayer Doggerbank is an example. It was designated as a Hilfskreuzer, but it was not a “raider” per se. The raises the question were all auxiliary minelayers dispatched on foreign missions designated “Hilfskreuzer” and did crewman qualify for the Viking boat badge? I don’t have the MV/NTB handy, but I think (writing from memory here folks...) that it specifically only authorizes the Viking boat badge to crewmen of an “armed merchant cruiser.” However we have these exceptions: 1) The Doggerbank crew qualified for the HSK badge 2) The men who trans-shipped from Tannenfels and spent only one month aboard Atlantis, before departing on other unarmed prize ships were awarded the HSK badge 3) A supply ship crewman who spent three weeks aboard Kormoran before departing and was awarded the HSK badge 4) A group of sailors trans-shipped to Komet for a short time who were awarded the HSK badge 5) The crewmen of Brake who wore the HSK badge (why?) (Are there other ships in this category?) There is indeed 5% to 15+% of additional non armed merchant cruiser crewman who trans-shipped from supply ships to raiders, were added to the rolls, and then trans-shipped off again later or were assigned to prize crews.....I would argue these men probably were awarded HSK Badges. I hear a lot of Uckermark men wearing the HSK badge. True? Can someone confirm via photo? It seems to me that qualifying for the HSK badge was up to varied interpretation and may expand to others that most people don’t consider when counting totals. I really look forward to carrying on this discussion and refining what we know as a group! Joe

Hmmmm. I am really thinking these 6 signatures are fakes, made to sell as originals, and I think I was "taken" by the sellers. At this point I am not really convinced enough though...so I won't destroy the photos, but will also not add them into my Hilfskreuzer Archive either. So into the "extras" box for storage for now. If you do have an opinion about these six signatures, I would surely like to hear what you think. Thanks! Joe

Chris, et al: The following photos are posted for further study. I do realize they are all postwar prints, that is no issue what so ever IF the Rogge signatures are authentic. thanks for your time and opinions.... Joe

Chris: Good idea. I'll post get the six photos in question scanned and posted, hopefully tonight. Joe

Fellow Researchers: Please see the UPDATED attached signature study which includes 23 known original signatures of Bernhard Rogge. Also included are six additional signatures which I feel are dubious at best. If they are fakes, then I will destroy the photos and take my lumps for buying forgeries produced for someone's profit motive only. I hope this is not the case; I am hoping against hope that these are, in fact, original signatures which I can add to my collection. I think at this point I feel to biased in thinking the six in question are fakes. I ask for your opinions in helping me make my decision in what to do with these six photos. Thanks! Joe

Martin: Yes, taken during the line crossing ceremony. Here is one where the ceremony is on-going... The Equator ceremony seems to be a theme for me right now....just this week, one of the actual scripts from ORION's ceremony arrived too. I'll get it scanned and posted, Joe

Martin: Here is another of Tischer's original prints. I thought you would like this one because it shows two camera's hanging around his neck. Joe

Esteemed Colleagues: A study of 21 signatures from Rogge for comparision and I ask for your opinions on the other six within the yellow boxes. I think the six in the yellow boxes are bad fakes, but I want to be absolutely sure before I destroy them. Thanks for your opinions. Joe

Fellow researchers: I was getting caught up on scanning some of the new aquisitions into my Hilfskreuzer Archive and decided to share this wonderful photo. A famous photo from Heinz Tischer aboard Hilfskreuzer THOR, with a caption on the reverse written in his own hand....and then used on the cover! Enjoy! Joe

I forgot to add a photo of the last thing that Herr Mohr sent me before he passed away---A signed copy of **HIS** book! It is a treasure! Joe

Martin...You are too kind! Thanks for the nice comments about the book. Yes, Luke has a great example of a 1944 release of Mohr's cruise book. I think we would be more accurate to limited release version (with crewlist) and a wider released version (without crew list). I think there was only one printing (edition) of the 1944 book, but two versions--the first few hundred being bound with a crewlist included and the rest of the run either with them omitted or carefully removed. Mohr didn't come right out and say this, but I inferred it from him mentioning "a crew and family" version. Luke: Yes, the signatures I posted were collected in one of the blue 1982 reprints of Mohr's book. They were collected during an annual crew reunion for someone interested in the ship. The Komet books are a bear to find, and when you find them, they are expensive!

Great pick up Luke! The Kameradschafts Treffen handout is simply wonderful. I have seen a few of them covering various years. However this was the first time I've seen one for the 10 year! Martin: "Leube" wasn't a crewman...signatures **for** Leube. He was probably an admirer of the ship or crew and requested the signatures. You'll have occasion to see this practice every-so-often. Luke: If you could post photos of the Kameradschaft booklet pages, that would be great. Those are a great source of information for my biographical archive database. I especially like it when Rogge signs items "Your Old Commander..." Great stuff! Joe

Andreas!! That is freaking A-W-E-S-O-M-E!! I can't believe you were able to find this....That was fast too! Thanks a ton for the info and the time searching. Joe