The World's Most BIZARRE Award-- A New Chapter!

[Bob]

Here's a document...

J?ger Schott des bayrischen J?ger Regiment 15

[Guest Rick Research]

Nice Delegation-issued version-- but no company designation on those.

Schott did not receive a Bavarian decoration in 1918, so I don't have his first name.

[Valter]

Let's try to revive this interesting topic! I finally got Tamara order... is it a good one?

[Valter]

another view...

[Valter]

any opinions appreciated...

[Valter]

medallion detail

[Valter]

closer...

[Valter]

and finally side view. Thanks in advance for any help!

[Guest Rick Research]

Fine except for the solder repair blob on top of the center disk. Those often fall out.

[Valter]

Rick, thank you! I really aprreciate the opinion of world's greatest Tamara expert! And I don't really care for solder repair. Is it Meybauer or Kust?

[Guest Rick Research]

According to Dr. Klietmann's typology from 45 years ago, only Meybauer produced these in the three IMAGINARY retail-marketing "classes." Although not at all common (I have never been able to absolutely narrow down a Final Number who were eligible-- say 3,000 give or take)-- a great many recipients may never have known or cared about entitlement in their rush to be demobilized in 1919. There were no "late" awards ever authorized afterwards....

Since none of these stars are marked, I've never really cared who made them. :beer:

[Valter]

Rick, thank you for taking time!!! By carefully reading your previous posts

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=11964&hl=tamara&st=20

the general opinion is that Kust produced only enammeled versions. So mine is most likely Meybauer.

Regards, Valter

[Bob]

Where can the ribbon bars for these Tamara's best be found?

I've tried digging through ebay but without success.

[Guest Rick Research]

There are different patterns. Küst made the "Legion" variety, which I've never seen except in Klietmann's illustrations. The "usual" all blue enamelled centers (without "bulge" over Tammy's ear) are apparently Meybauer's imaginary "1st Class" since nothing else used blue.

Find ribbon bars? (insane giggling laughter)

Tell you?

Tamara ribbon bars???

Mineminemineminemineminemine!!!!!!!!

Come not between the Nazgûl and his prey!!!!

PS what you see above is THIRTY-TWO YEARS of searching. :unsure:

[Bob]

PS what you see above is THIRTY-TWO YEARS of searching.

That's what I was afraid of...

Oh well, maybe i'll find one when i'm 68 then? :beer:

[Valter]

Rick, thank you for explaining this! I really appreciate your help!

PS: I'm also looking for Tamara bar... about three years, and since you got a dozen of them in 32 years, it's statistically possible I'll find one soon BTW, which one is rarer - a bar or the badge itself?

[Bob]

And don't forget the documents! or the photographs of people wearing a Tamara! or the chain with a miniature Tamara (recall one was up for auction in Germany a few years ago)!

[Bob]

Outstanding!

http://www.collectnobel.com/Koerber-group.html

[Bob]

Source: http://www.collectnobel.com/Koerber-group.html

Baron Viktor von Koerber "slated for execution after the 1944 Bomb Plot failed to kill Hitler, but was liberated by the Russians from Sachsenhausen concentration camp, thereafter converting to Catholicism; this after having been with Hitler from 1922-1926, e.g. in the Beer Hall Putsch, before any other anti-Hitler Plot member. "

Edited October 9, 2009 by Bob

[Eric Stahlhut]

wow..i've never seen that type of tamara before. very attractive piece!

[Bob]

(Marked?) Godet & Sohn according to collectnobel.com

[Deruelle]

What a group . Very impressive.

Christophe

[Guest Rick Research]

The von Koerbers were NOT Barons.

Since he was still only a Leutnant dR in 2. Leib Husaren Rgt when the war started, too junior (and as a reserve officer "invisible") to guess whether he was attached to the Georgian Legion or ended up on the staff of the German Delegation to the Caucasus. I've never encountered his name in connection to Georgia.

The star he was wearing (post WW2 from his age in photo????) is a hybrid of the Legion-type center with grotesquely oversized Red Eagle Order type rays.

Typical of the fanatastical wearer "improvements" made to this former badge turned Order.

[saschaw]

Wow, never seen a "Tammy" in this colours.

A question that raised here just a few minutes ago: was that a one-class-only award in variations for all purses, or were there indeed different classes? Due to the fact they only got documents and the documents don't state any class, it cannot be the latter - can it?

[Guest Rick Research]

"Classes" were invented by Meybauer as a marketing ploy.

There were absolutely no statutory descriptions, since the Menshevik government simply whistled up nothing on paper-- paper which the Germans supplied themselves-- and then back home again in 1919 badges were rushed into production for the demobilizing troops that were simply rip-offs of the Georgian Legion unit badges. The 1918 Order hardly had anything to do with the 1915 Legion--whose Azerbaijani members were the enemy in 1918.

All part of the bizarreness of this award. :catjava: