Glenn R Posted June 8, 2005 Share Posted June 8, 2005 Hello Chaps. My new cross arrived today and as I promised in the last thread, here are some close up pictures of the mechanism for reference. Use them as you please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn R Posted June 8, 2005 Author Share Posted June 8, 2005 Reverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn R Posted June 8, 2005 Author Share Posted June 8, 2005 mech. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn R Posted June 8, 2005 Author Share Posted June 8, 2005 mech. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn R Posted June 8, 2005 Author Share Posted June 8, 2005 Mechanism opened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn R Posted June 8, 2005 Author Share Posted June 8, 2005 Top view open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn R Posted June 8, 2005 Author Share Posted June 8, 2005 This has to be one of the highest quality crosses I've handled. The finish and manufacture of the frame, mechanism and core are superb. Gordon, you mentioned that there is speculation that these were designed to fit onto Garde Du Corps breastplates. Is this theory based on anything or just a supposition?Cheers,Glenn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRBeery Posted June 8, 2005 Share Posted June 8, 2005 Is that the one from Chris? VERY nice! I want to find one of these one day. They fascinate my mechanical side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted June 8, 2005 Share Posted June 8, 2005 Beautiful piece. No, I haven't seen any specific evidence of it being for a cuirasse, just what I'd heard from other collectors. God knows what the fitting would have looked like on the breastplate. I can't see how this would be attached to a cloth uniform either mind you.This has to be one of the highest quality crosses I've handled. The finish and manufacture of the frame, mechanism and core are superb. Gordon, you mentioned that there is speculation that these were designed to fit onto Garde Du Corps breastplates. Is this theory based on anything or just a supposition?Cheers,Glenn.← Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn R Posted June 8, 2005 Author Share Posted June 8, 2005 Hi Chet, nice to see you over here. Yes, it is the one from Chris. I count myself lucky managing to get hold of it. I think there was a lot of interest in it. Thanks Gordon. I've got to say it doesn't seem at all practical to me either. I struggle to see how a thick tunic material would fit into the mechanism.Cheers,Glenn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted June 8, 2005 Share Posted June 8, 2005 Ohhhhhkay...great for grating cheeseorstarting campfiresor...something.But what LOCKS and UNLOCKS this thing so it doesn't spring open, popping off the uniform loops? :speechless-smiley-004: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darrell Posted June 8, 2005 Share Posted June 8, 2005 Another great cross. I thought I had my fill of 1914 EK1's .. apparently not .. now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn R Posted June 9, 2005 Author Share Posted June 9, 2005 That's just the thing Rick, spring pressure between the top arm and the sliding doodad hold it closed, but there would have to be material between this bit when in wear. I suppose this would add to the tightness of the catch but it still seems like the kind of thing an engineering student comes up with for a project, fails and spends the next 5 years woking in a burger bar before sliding into petty crime and being shot by an angry householder during a burglary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 I think with 2 strong loops this would stay on a tunic forever, or until the loops broke. I am pretty sure this is for a tunic with loops.I dont think there is any special REASON for these crosses being different, other than the fact that the germans have a technology fetish and the makier was reckoning with guys saying "Hey man, thats freaking COOL!!!!!!" even back then.Time has shown we always come back to the needle and hook system, but back at KMST there was a man trying to revolutionise, and at some stage patent a new idea that he hoped to make money off if they ever became the standard way of attaching a badge....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn R Posted June 9, 2005 Author Share Posted June 9, 2005 Yes it would certainly work with two loops. Obviously it would only be as secure as the loops themselves but that seems more likely than attaching it through cloth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=1102...findpost&p=7528And out of over-engineered designs that didn't work come Collector Raities! cheeky So that tiny little NOTCH is what kept it shut and "locked?" That looks like putting an overcoat on would be enough to make it go "sporoooing" and fall off!!! :speechless-smiley-004: :wacko: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darrell Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 Since these are fairly rare .. would it be safe to assume that these would fall under a design that didnt work very well and was given up? :speechless-smiley-004: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hunter Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 I intend to work myself to nervous breakdown trying to figure out the purpose of the set up on that cross! :speechless-smiley-004: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn R Posted June 9, 2005 Author Share Posted June 9, 2005 Perhaps it's a primitive body piercing jewellery item for pre 1918 piercing fetishists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 Outstanding cross and very hard to find. I have often wondered why the KMST Crosses were so complex, so extraordinarily marked as to maker, etc. One of the premium WW1 makers, for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn R Posted June 10, 2005 Author Share Posted June 10, 2005 Thanks Stogie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 Here's a KMST I used to own. They sure went for the wierdest fittings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 THAT is a Hannibal Lector designed cross, if ever there was one!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hunter Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 (edited) Consider this, design skills are hereditary and the KMST designers inheirited from some ancient chastity belt designers... Edited June 10, 2005 by Bob Hunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 Outstanding cross and very hard to find. I have often wondered why the KMST Crosses were so complex, s←Today everyone wants the lates Mobile telephone with the most advanced features... I am sure there was a KMST designer who, as long as he designed, was able to stay away from the front or something. he designed these, which were probably expensive crosses, and a few shows offs used to buy them to show what nice crosses they had. but I am sure they cost more than average and the average soldier was happier to spend less on one with a simple pin, which he could put on and take off, even when drunk, which with a KMST must have been difficult.And here we are in 2006, still lots of makers use pins..... and where is KMST ?..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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