Soviet Hierarchy of Soviet Awards?

[Christian Zulus]

Dear Doc,

many thanks for the document .

He had been definitly meritorious and should have earned the ORB, I think.

Due to the fact, that Col. Fedorov entered service in the Red Army in 1940, he could not get an ORB for 20 years in service, because the regulations changed and abolished in end of the 1950s all long service orders. If he would have entered service in 1937 he would have received his ORB.

Best regards

Christian

[Mondvor]

In several posts in this discussion people mentioned that Glory order was given only for heroic and courageous events. Unfortunately, there are exceptions to this rule. Here is an example of Glory 3rd class award simply for good conduct and diligent doing of routine tasks.

[Mondvor]

Another document issued to this guy. It says that for his good conduct during GPW he was granted with a pocket watch

[Gerd Becker]

Very interesting. Thanks for posting this document, Andrei

[slava1stclass]

To all:

Considering that he wasn't especially tall and in not particularly good health, maybe they decided to make an exception and cut this guy some slack.

Is this awarding in concert with the established regs for bestowing the Order of Glory? Absolutely not. Is this a classic example of the "watering down" that often occurs in a given Army's awards system at certain points in time? Absolutely.

Nice example. Thank you.

Regards,

slava1stclass

[JimZ]

Question is....

Will this be THSE exception to the rule or will research eventually turn up more Glory awards for non combat related merits......

You can get Hero title for sports, Lenin for milking cows, Red Banner and others for long service (aka staying power).... Least of all Glory.... wonder how this could eventually unfold.

Jim

[Christian Zulus]

Gentlemen,

very interesting case, Andrew - many thanks .

This documented case is a clear violation of the regulations of the statute .

Maybe the comrade wanted badly a glamorous Glory, because his comrades had one and maybe our comrade was at good terms with the politruk .

Among almost 1 million confered Glories, such "sxxt" can happen .

Best regards

Christian

[Mondvor]

Chrisitian, it could be another explanation. During the trophy harvest this guy could find something valuable (for example gold wrist watches or general's chrom-and-nickel "parabellum") and presented it to his company's commander. The commander, in turn, granted him for a Glory order. It is not a secret, that during the trophy harvest soldiers carefully examined the dead bodies of dead enemy soldiers looking for valuable things. It has been described in memoirs of some Red Army officers.

[Christian Zulus]

Chrisitian, it could be another explanation. During the trophy harvest this guy could find something valuable (for example gold wrist watches or general's chrom-and-nickel "parabellum") and presented it to his company's commander. The commander, in turn, granted him for a Glory order. It is not a secret, that during the trophy harvest soldiers carefully examined the dead bodies of dead enemy soldiers looking for valuable things. It has been described in memoirs of some Red Army officers.

Excellent theory, Andrew .

Best regards

Christian

BTW: There had been also rather strict regulations according to the rank of the soldiers, officers and generals, how much share of the "trophy harvest", they were allowed to take legally back home. Marshal Zhukov had some difficulties with the authorities explaning his wagon-loads of antiques, paintings, etc.

[Mondvor]

I found another Glory citation that in my opinion is unappropriate for this award. It is currently on EBay. Awarded to Sr. Sergeant who was a personal driver of the commander of 52nd Guards Rifle Division. I should say he was highly decorated driver - Red Star, Glory, Bravery Medal and Military Merit medal.