Mike K Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 (edited) Hi,I don't collect EK2s but I could not resist this one. I believe it to be an earlier cross, but welcome other's thoughts. Size is ~42.84 x 43.00 mm. Frames are silver, the core is loose and imo relatively thick cast iron. I haven't matched a maker yet - KO is close but KAG (and 800 "v") is a much closer match - neither are exact matches though imo.RegardsMike Edited November 20, 2006 by Mike K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike K Posted November 20, 2006 Author Share Posted November 20, 2006 Reverse....I'm sure the interesting markings are apparent. From what I can determine, the markigns are very crisp and there does not appear to be any deformation on the obverse frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 crown/moon/800 on the frame IS unusual,but certainly not unheard of.very fine cross you have there!joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Lovely !! I can understand why you couldn't resist that one !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K. Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 A very nice cross!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunyadi Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Sweet! I have never seen one marked like that - but then the pre WW2 EK's have a little bit of everything imaginable. Very nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike K Posted November 20, 2006 Author Share Posted November 20, 2006 Hi,Thanks for the kind words guys. Oh, I was teasing. I forgot to add the best bit - the case!RegardsMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike K Posted November 20, 2006 Author Share Posted November 20, 2006 A rough inside scan - I need to re-do it with the digicam. Note that there is a recessed area (very hard to make out though, even in hand) for the cross and the cross is a very snug (but perfect) fit. Image a red RAO4 case - except black - and you'll know how big it is! I don't recall seeing many like this one before.RegardsMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 oh, the HUMANITY!!!!!!this is NOT nice to do to a brittle 54 year old.....please place it in a plain brown wrapper.....you have done VERY nicely with this!congrats!joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Y Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Bowen mentions marks on frames, but that's the first I've seen. Congratulations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buellmeister Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 A very unique and uncommon cross indeed. Well Done!Regards,Joel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 HelloThat is one very, very nice and desireable cross. As you are not an EK2 collector, could you please resist these in future and instead tell me where they are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronny Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Hello Mike,That is a very nice set Maybe I should sell my wb's and start collecting EK's Cheers mateRonny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Nice! That is the same mark as on mine. It's on the list as Known Silver Content Marks on EK2 at the bottom. http://www.kaisersbunker.com/stuff/1914_EK2_makers.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott P Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 I am a new collector,but not that new.This particular mark I saw on ebay.de a couple of months ago.This mark I have seen only 2 times on the ribbon ring from pics.motorhead has one of them.Not saying it is a anything at all,but here is a pic of a TR EK2 that sold on a dealers site awhile back for ?150.Is this real?Scott[attachmentid=61757] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike K Posted November 23, 2006 Author Share Posted November 23, 2006 Hi Scott,You'd be much better off posting this question as a new thread in "The Iron Cross 1939" section.From what I can see, the cross itself appears genuine BUT the markings do not appear to have any "age". They are fresh and shiny whereas the frames on the cross show very nice dark age patine. The markings appear to be a "lazy 2", a "." (DOT) and "800". My guess is that someone has taken a genuine unmarked example and marked it up with a COMBINATION of Juncker RitterKreuz markings (DOT 800 + Lazy 2 800).RegardsMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike K Posted November 23, 2006 Author Share Posted November 23, 2006 Maybe I should sell my wb's and start collecting EK's Ronny,No, think bigger - collect both! Then again, yes, sell your WBs - especially that nice Assmann!!RegardsMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronny Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 Is all these yours old buddy Impressive indeed, wouldn?t mind seeingSome more pictures of yours wb?s mate.Especially the navy and the ?chaplain?s badge?.With a closer thought show them all the ek's too Cheers,Ronny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott P Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 Mike thank you for the advice,but I know were to post.My point being the mm on the frame.Yes i know the TR EK2 is good but the marks aint.Found the pic I was looking for,here is what was on ebay.de awhile back.What I would like to see is some more examples of IMP EK2s with a maker on the frame.IMHO these mm are fake.Scott[attachmentid=61857] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley1965 Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 Mike K., WOW!!! My eyes are poppin' out of me head I'll be glad to give your WBs a GOOD home!!! Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 (edited) oops. Edited November 24, 2006 by joe campbell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike K Posted November 24, 2006 Author Share Posted November 24, 2006 Mike thank you for the advice,but I know were to post.My point being the mm on the frame.Yes i know the TR EK2 is good but the marks aint.Found the pic I was looking for,here is what was on ebay.de awhile back.What I would like to see is some more examples of IMP EK2s with a maker on the frame.IMHO these mm are fake.Scott[attachmentid=61857]Scott,Sorry, I did not realise you were "testing" by asking questions you knew the answers to.How many 1914EK2s have you seen marked with the crescent moon+crown+800 recently?RegardsMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorhead Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 This one is a hard case.....First I must say that I don't have one of these in my collection-because I was never quick enough to pick it up.So my knowledge is 2nd hand....I've seen EK2 with similiar markings popping up at ebay from time to time-but it's always the same seller...But(yes,there's always a but...) my "mentor" in iron crosses has got 2 or 3 of them,untouched,uncleaned and as far as I remember all with the same core and frame.I have asked him for pics so with a little luck we can compare the pieces. About Mikes EK all I can say-it looks right to me! Just my feeling about it!Micha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott P Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 Was not testing anything,and I am not trying to start a fight.Mike I just dont believe this to be a true mm.If Im wrong then I learned something!BUT I dont think Im wrong.I would still like to see another EK2 marked on the frame.Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike K Posted November 25, 2006 Author Share Posted November 25, 2006 Hi,Scott, no fighting words were intended in my reply! Fyi, the recent eBay.de example and my example are the same cross.The oldest specific reference I have to this type of marking is in Bowen's EK book from the mid 80s. There are other 1914 EKs that use this triple marking - eg some Wagner EK1 Prinzens and some M Hansen EK1s.If the markings turn out to be bad then someone has done an excellent job and I've been fooled - wouldn't be the first time!Micha, I will be interested in those pics if you can get them!RegardsMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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