Christian J Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 What is the consensus of this beautiful piece?http://cgi.ebay.de/BESONDERS-SELTENES-GEWO...1QQcmdZViewItem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 i'd LOVE to have this one in hand to look at more closely...case is beauteous, configuration is tempting,can't really tell about the ridging....i'd love to have this one in hand...joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dond Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 This is the same seller as: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=13233 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darrell Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 I know there were some wierd screwback variations made out of all kinds of Frankenstein parts ... but just how much of a pain would it be to keep those plain jane nuts tight on the screw posts? I find it hard to believe all 4 would have survived had these been original Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregM Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 Speaking of nuts--Take a good close look at this picture.Those nuts look to be NEWLY machined. Nice shiny, smoothperfect nuts. NOT 130 years old. Also the backing plate looks to be new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darrell Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 (edited) Speaking of nuts.Nice shiny, smoothperfect nuts. NOT 130 years old.I wish the wife would say that Edited December 8, 2006 by Darrell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregM Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 Now lets look at the back of the cross and the screw posts.After 130 years , I would not expect to still be able to see thewelding residue around each of the 4 screwposts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregM Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 And now for the front of the cross.Notice how his pictures of his 1870s crosses are always tippedin such a way that you can not see the crowns. My guess would bea deliberate attempt to hide a 9th bead crown or a muffin crown.It's hard to judge from the bad picture but I am not to excited aboutthe style of date on this one. But it's had to tell from the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregM Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 I wish the wife would say that LOL I would save my money and look for a better example of a 1870 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Murphy Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 First you have a supposed 1870 EK1 that measures 43.5mm. This indicates a post '41 ek and the wide spread arms reinforce that. this is enough for me to call it a fake or very late museum copy, but then it is marked "925" which is very rarely seen even during the WW1-20's period. Most high silver content EKs were 900, 935, 938 etc. 925 was to my knowledge not seen in germany prior to 1900, this was the ENGLISH standard. Then you have the newly soldered posts, new plate and nuts and we are way over the top already. THEN we have a case that was meant to house a nonportable circular medal (definitely not for an EK). Your Honour, the prosecution rests it's case. And someone has bid this up past ? 2000 !Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biro Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 (edited) As Greg has pointed out, the oblique viewing angles are a deliberate attempt to hide what is in essence a simple customised fake of the type often seen stamped with... 'J Wagner & Sohn'... an example of which can be seen in this current ebay auction..http://cgi.ebay.de/Eisernes-Kreuz-1-Klasse...1QQcmdZViewItemAn absolute pile of shite that must be avoided IMO.This guy is dangerous Marshall Edited December 9, 2006 by Biro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorhead Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 He's not only dangerous:E-Gliderider is also HD-Luder.......Micha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 (edited) goodness..... my approach has always been to examine in hand....any comments on the case?joeBTW... this is one of the reasons i only buy atshows or from acquaintances here... Edited December 9, 2006 by joe campbell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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