Eric K. Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 OK I might be a very happy camper next week.........maybe.Is there any way I can find out who the owner to #164 is.Ive been looking everywhere nut cant seem to find a list.thanks for your helpEric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 Holder was Heinrich Kurz, Bund Oberland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Eric: You'd think that a lowwwwww number would be some indication of importance, but such is not the case.The ONLY published list that I know of was Klaus D. Patzwall's "Der Blutorden der NSDAP" published by himself in 1985. These can sometimes still be found on used books lists.I've added what I have been able to find on holders in the 21 years since, but on Herr Kurz of the 2nd Company, Battalion Teja of Bund Oberland I come up empty.The very best detailed account of the events of 8/9 November 1923 was written by my olate and very much lamented college mentor Harold J. Gordon, Jr in 1972-- "Hitler and the Beer Hall Putsch." He actually KNEW many of the participants, and I spent many happy hours immersed in his correspondence files while he was still alive 30 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Murphy Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Eric, If it is of any help the Bund Oberland was formed by members of the Freikorps Oberland after the latter was dissolved in 1921. The Bund Oberland aligned itself with the NSDAP and particpated in the 1923 Putsch. Here is a link to the Blood Order of one of his comrades now for sale. Dan http://www.emedals.ca/catalog.asp?item=GRC337 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric K. Posted December 13, 2006 Author Share Posted December 13, 2006 Thanks for the info!!!Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 Thanks for the info!!!EricSooooo.... are you a happy camper ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric K. Posted January 2, 2007 Author Share Posted January 2, 2007 Sooooo.... are you a happy camper ????Not yet, everyone here is still on vacation but the bums should be back any day nowEric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oregonghost Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 OK I might be a very happy camper next week.........maybe.Is there any way I can find out who the owner to #164 is.Ive been looking everywhere nut cant seem to find a list.thanks for your helpEric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oregonghost Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 Greetings Eric, wow .......that was simple...I wonder if anyone can identify # 869 as quickly.....I've exhaused my resources thanks in advance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 Eric: You'd think that a lowwwwww number would be some indication of importance, but such is not the case.The ONLY publishedlist that I know of was Klaus D. Patzwall's "Der Blutorden der NSDAP" published by himself in 1985. These can sometimes still be found on used books lists.I've added what I have been able to find on holders in the 21 years since, but on Herr Kurz of the 2nd Company, Battalion Teja of Bund Oberland I come up empty.The very best detailed account of the events of 8/9 November 1923 was written by my olate and very much lamented college mentor Harold J. Gordon, Jr in 1972-- "Hitler and the Beer Hall Putsch." He actually KNEW many of the participants, and I spent many happy hours immersed in his correspondence files while he was still alive 30 years ago.Holy c !!You knew Gordon????He is legendary. I was talking to someone about him last night!!What happened to his files? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 Yes, Patzwall has them all 99.9% up through the 15XXs.#869 = Otto H?chner, 2. Komp. SA Regiment M?nchen. I have nothing extra on him either, unfortunately.At U Mass Amherst, I hope. Though his widow (one of THE LaFollettes) may have retained possession given that half his "archive" was an arsenal. I lost all track since my immediately derailed graduate school plans tossed me into a baker's dozen of "American" candidates to whose field I was obliged to adjust from my Eurocentric ways. Odd, since in the end I was the sole survivor of that crew 13 -12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 It would be worth checking to see if Miskatonic University -- oops -- Amherst University has his papers. It is always sad to see assembled research pass away out of sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 Either boxed away forgotten like the last scene in "Raiders of the Lost Ark" or still in the hands, I would hope, of his family-- youngest was just entering college as I was leaving. A room full of PERSONAL correspondence for decades with the Subjects Of History. And guns. Professors with guns in their study. Times have changed. One of the oddities of the whole Beer Hall Putsch situation is that, last I knew (pre-reunification) the trial records are under seal until the last person involved has been dead for 99 years. Ah, those "sensitive" Germans!Alas for we Mere Mortals, that would be then-chief of the Bavarian State Police, LaPo Oberst Hans Ritter von Seisserwho died ironically enoughin HIS 99th year--in 1973. I will most assured NOT be Down For Breakfast in Anno Domini 2072since no member of my family has made to their hundred-and-teens. A 5 year old in 2007 who retires at age 70 then WILL be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard V Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 Anyone know at which number the 1st pattern ended and the second pattern began? I have a second pattern document and have not been able to find any information around the name of the recipient. I assume the award he received was probably way beyond the 1500's. Richard V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 What's the name and date? We have to get lucky with SOMEBODY I've got something extra on eventually! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 (edited) Here's Heinrich Kurz and his buddies..............http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SrsJnowzfQ Edited July 25, 2007 by Robin Lumsden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard V Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 (edited) Rick, the guy's name was Mathias Millonig. I had a friend check Patzwall's Blood Order book and Millonig is listed in the application list XIV of Oct 21, 1939. His listing indicates he was from the town of Klein St. Paul in Kaernten. It'll be interesting to see if any additional information can be found. I'd be particularly interested in seeing if his BO number can be ascertained. It would probably be like looking for a needle in a haystack to try to reunite the two, but I'd like to give it a try. Be nice to see what he did to receive the award too.Richard VI'll try to scan it this Friday when I have a day off work and take a closer look at the document when I get home tonight. Edited July 25, 2007 by Richard V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Nope, nada from my files. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard V Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Not that this will make much difference but I misspelled the first name. It is Matthias Millonig. Here is a copy of the document. Thought I'd post it anyway.Richard V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 Wasn't he (Millonig) an Austrian teacher? Married to the Tyrolean poet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard V Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 Interesting observation. Where did you hear this and do you know the name of the Austrian poet? I had never heard of this before.Richard V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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