Paul R Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 I want to share with you my newest 1866/70 medal bar. It is not too glamorous, but I think it special. It is the only Non-Combatant 1866 I have ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Classic non-combattant 1866/71 war bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Great bar Paul - nice find!!Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted December 20, 2006 Author Share Posted December 20, 2006 Thanks for the kind comments. While I am here, I want to thank the two Ricks who helped me with some questions on the bar during the negotiation phase. Are there any 1866-70 specialists here? I am just looking for some statical information. I know that these are rare, but I am just wondering how rare.Scott,I know that this is off topic, but I love your avatar. Is that yours?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorhead Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 (edited) Hi Scott,is it possible that the two medals are not the awarded ones? When I look at the eylets they look like a normal wire loop.My 1866 nc cross has got that thing with the grooves(sorry,but I don't know to translate "Rillen?se") The same with the 1871 nc medal.So have we here typical "Spangenst?cke/pieces for the medalbar?Micha Edited December 20, 2006 by Motorhead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Thats a fantastic early Non-combattants medal-bar, Paul. Congrats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schießplatzmeister Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 (edited) Hello all:A super-nice bar! Motorhead is right, the 1866 campaign cross is not of the issued coinage and it appears as though the 1870 campaign medal is not either. The 1870 campaign medal appears to have a nice patinae, so my guess is that it may be one of the very scarce SILVER private-purchase medals that I have heard of. The 1866 campaign cross also looks like an extremely-well made striking.So, although not officially awarded pieces a super-nice "deluxe" bar.Congratulations!"SPM" Edited December 20, 2006 by Schie?platzmeister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted December 20, 2006 Author Share Posted December 20, 2006 Thanks for your comments. I had no idea, about the grooves in the ring... When I intially read Micha's post , I thought that these medals were a reproduction. Does the fact that these medals are not actual issue pieces hurt the overall value? Is there a way to deterine when this bar would have been made? Still pre 1900? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted December 21, 2006 Author Share Posted December 21, 2006 Here is my combatant bar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted December 21, 2006 Author Share Posted December 21, 2006 Reverse... I can see the ribbing you were referring to in the 1866 medal. I do not see the ribbing in the ring of the 1871 medal. Also, it seems that there is an actual difference in the actual 1866 medal pendant as well. I did not know that the medallions were different, between combatant and non combatant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schießplatzmeister Posted December 21, 2006 Share Posted December 21, 2006 Dear PaulR:Don't worry, your non-combat group is definately pre-1900 in my opinion. The unofficial 1866 campaign cross coinage is probably worth a bit less than the official version, but IF the 1870 campaign medal is made of silver, then that medal is worth considerably more than the official version. You have a great and scarce grouping!And yes, the 1866 non-combat cross is a different cross than the other three (3) combat versions. Notice that the inscription is different and that the wreath is of oak-leaves and not laurel-leaves. So, the cross AND the ribbon were different.Congratulations on obtaining these very nice pieces for your collection.Best regards,"SPM" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted December 21, 2006 Author Share Posted December 21, 2006 Thanks SPM! Are the correct silver pendants hallmarked? Thanks again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted December 21, 2006 Share Posted December 21, 2006 Well done Paul! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted December 22, 2006 Author Share Posted December 22, 2006 Thanks Antti! BTW, Happy Belated birthday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schießplatzmeister Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 Dear PaulR:I've had a bit of time to look through my research materials and I have found the following information. According to Schneider, as of March 4, 1867, there were 144,000 combatant awards and just 1,200 non-combatant awards! This gives you an idea of the rarity of these pieces.All of the listings refer to these medals as having been made of "oxidized bronze" and not the "cannon-bronze" of the combatant crosses which were struck from bronze smelted from captured Austrian cannon.The piece that I have (shown above as part of a group) is struck and it appears to have then been dipped in acid which has given it a bright golden-coloured frosted appearance. It appears to be original (especially appearing in this context). Unfortunately, I have not seen enough of them to be able to make a comparison.Best regards,"SPM" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted December 27, 2006 Author Share Posted December 27, 2006 WOW!!! That is great information!! Thanks SPM! Only 1200 ?!?!?!? That is amazing! I will make better scans when the bar arrives. Is that mini medal bar yours?! It is a real beauty!! The combatant bars are more scarce than I would have thought. I would have guessed about 500,000+.RegardsPAul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schießplatzmeister Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 Hello PaulR:The bar is full-sized and a very unusual style for a German group (and yes, it is mine). I'm sure that more awards were made later, but I would guess that the non-combatant cross award number never went over 2,000.Best regards,"SPM" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 Ohhh . . . nice . . . ad maskes me feel better about my little bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted December 27, 2006 Author Share Posted December 27, 2006 SPM, Full sized! I have not seen any full sized bars made in that manner! Nice!Ed,If your little bar wants some company, please send it over! I like the single combatant 1871!!I love both of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted January 12, 2007 Author Share Posted January 12, 2007 Well, the bar finally came in today! It is better than I imagined. Here are some better scans!I believe that both medals are private purchase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted January 12, 2007 Author Share Posted January 12, 2007 back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 Ohhh . . . nice . . . ad maskes me feel better about my little bar.Ed,You're too modest... Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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