Alexey Smirnov Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 (edited) Friends, please opinions ! Edited February 6, 2007 by Alexey Smirnov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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John R Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 (edited) I would like to see the front, but it looks like a nice original silver frontspange. Nice bubbling on the reverse also. John Edited February 6, 2007 by John Robinson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Alexey Smirnov Posted February 6, 2007 Author Share Posted February 6, 2007 I would like to see the front, but it looks like a nice original silver frontspange. Nice bubbling on the reverse also. JohnThank you, John! This is my first silver frontspange so i do worry about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John R Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 (edited) Thank you, John! This is my first silver frontspange so i do worry about it.Well, nothing to worry about with this one. Good example. Looks like it has a first pattern pin, which is interesting, since this is a second pattern badge. If you do a search on these you will see two different styles of pins on the frontspange. A smooth one like yours and one that has a slightly raised interior with an edge. You will see what I mean if you look around a bit. John Edited February 6, 2007 by John Robinson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexey Smirnov Posted February 6, 2007 Author Share Posted February 6, 2007 (edited) John! I've found Gordon Williamsons topic http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=1824 , but my clasp was called a fake 2 hours ago at Russian forum. So why i want to be absolutely sure. Edited February 6, 2007 by Alexey Smirnov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genoa41 Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 John! I've found Gordon Williamsons topic http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=1824 , but my clasp was called a fake 2 hours ago at Russian forum. So why i want to be absolutely sure.The mm sounds a little strangegiorgio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John R Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 I will post these on another forum also to check. These clasps can be tricky, but for now, I am not willing to agree that it is a fake. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John R Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 (edited) OK, I guess I need to ask if what I thought were bubbles on the reverse, common to most zinc frontspanges in silver, are in fact pits? If they are pits, then it is probably a cast reproduction, but without it in hand, you need to check.Second, the missing letters---are they really there or not? Again, the letters should all be there and if not, it could be another indication of a cast reproduction.I am still surprised at the pin, it is dead on for a first pattern frontspange. To me, there is absolutely no way that this pin is a reproduction, therefore, it indicates that the badge is authentic.In any case, check it over and let us know what you see. John Edited February 7, 2007 by John Robinson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 Hi Alexey,So far, I like what I see with your clasp. Can you give details of the weight and the dimensions ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joetauchretter Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 In my humble opinion I would have to agree that this is a cast copy . I would like some more close up pictures but I do not like the details on the front or back of this clasp . It looks like poor casting pitting instead of bubbling of the silver and the zinc metal due to a reaction of the two . I do not like what looks like crude detailing around the hinge area and even the words on the back look very poor to me . There looks like alot of cast pitting on the front of the badge near the bow of the u-boat . Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 Dimensions would indicate if this has been cast from an original "master" as it would be fractionally too small. Here are some comparisons of the lettering compared with a known original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 Schwerin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gordon Williamson Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 The loss of lettering is similar to the effect found on early (First Pattern) clasps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexey Smirnov Posted February 9, 2007 Author Share Posted February 9, 2007 I'm sorry to answer so late, these are new pics of my clasp.76,45 mm x 24,05 mm19,15 gr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gordon Williamson Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Alexey,My gut feeling is that you have a good original clasp. The dimensions are spot on, exactly right so this clearly isn't a casting which would have been slightly smaller due to shrinkage. Weight is also correct.I would be happy to have this one in my collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexey Smirnov Posted February 10, 2007 Author Share Posted February 10, 2007 (edited) So, again me and Thanks for your comments and interest.a new version has appeared in Russia, I'm close to have a molded badge the main indication for it the obviously seen diesespecially on the head's part of the boat itself ( no traces of the oxidation and finish is still there ).There is a lot of space in the hinge-pin area as the result a pin is moving too easilyThe question is, is it consequence of the pin replacement ? Thanks again. Alex. Edited February 10, 2007 by Alexey Smirnov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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