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hello all

does anybody knows how much order of the bath (grandcross and kommander cross) went to foreignes peoples in the period 1815-1830 for military honnor( ICH DIEN). does exist a list of this people.

i hope someone is able to help me.

thank you in advance (sorry for my very bad english!)

heinrich

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hello

no one has any list or any information?

regards

heinrich

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Seems difficult unless someone is deep in the subject.

I suggest you should write the Central Chancery of the Orders of Knighthood. If someone can help, it is certainly them.

The address is:

CENTRAL CHANCERY OF THE ORDERS OF KNIGHTHOOD

St. James's Palace, London SW1

Best regards,

Lukasz

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That is so early -- in an era that attracts little phaleristic interest -- I'd not be sure where to start. Don't hold you breath for a response from the Chancery though; they have a small staff and are not equipped to do research for people (or even to be open for researchers). The National Archives (PRO) would likely have the sources, but you'd need to do your own work.

The order was awarded to foreigners both in single-class and in multi-class (GCB, KCB, CB) varieties.

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hello

thank you for your answers, but i will try to search and find more information.

i know that is very early.

does someone know how many GCB of the Order of the bath was awarded for the war against napoleon to foreigners? this would help a litlle bid.

thanks

heinrich

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Sturm - I have only some small knowledge of this decoration but you may find it helpful. As far as I know the first foreigner to be awarded this was Fursten Dietrichstein zu Nikolsburg und Grafen Alexander Mensdorff-Pouilly in 1869. You will understand these titles, I do not. The Order began in 1725 so it looks as though no memberships were given in Napolean's time. Foreign recipients, by the way, are only given Honorary Membership unless they held a British Military Commission at the time. Since 1869 I think only 5 more have been given. As Lukasz says the Central Chancery may be able to help more.

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You are probably correct, Heinrich, these awards were given primarily for political reasons and I see that William fled to England with his father for many years then returned to Holland. Most probably had some monetary or military backing from England to regain his possessions. I have no knowledge of any other ones at this time, good luck in your search.

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hello

the second one which i know is ernst august I king of hannover. he became the grand cross in 1815. and several of his kommander generals got it too.

i searching one of them.

thank you!

regards

heinrich

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Not sure if this is the man that your looking for, but Hannoverian General Carl von Alten received the KCB. Additionally, the following also received the Order during this time period:

Gebhard von Blucher-GCB

Mikhail Barclay de Tolly-unknown but believe it would be GCB

Karl Ludwig Johan Archduke of Austria-GCB

Carl Phillip von Schwarzenburg-GCB

Johan von Frimont-GCB

Carl Freiherr von Vincent-KCB

Ludwig Wallmoden-Gimborn-KCB

GM von Muffling-KCB

John

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hello john!

thank you very much! it helps a lot!!!!!!!!!

heinrich

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Greetings, I am a brand new member of this fine forum. I have an interest in finding out if this officer was truly in the rolls as a recipient of the KC Order of Bath in the year bracket shown. I already have his biography. Thanks 

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I can only suggest searching the London Gazette.  It is available on-line but can be frustrating, as the search engine is not infallible by any means.

I took a quick look, but both his surname and forenames are so common as to throw up dozens of [false?] positives in a quick search.  A few more details of his biography might help narrow the parameters.

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21 hours ago, eurorders said:

Greetings, I am a brand new member of this fine forum. I have an interest in finding out if this officer was truly in the rolls as a recipient of the KC Order of Bath in the year bracket shown. I already have his biography. Thanks 

His KCB was gazetted on 22 June 1909 (6th entry down from the top left):

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/28263/supplement/4854/data.htm

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Sturm, some of these reference books might help. I am doing it the lazy way by copying my library list.

Title

Author

Year

Publisher

Orders and Decorations of Europe in Color

Hieronymussen

1967

MacMillan

British Orders and Decorations

Risk

1973

Hayward

Orders and Decorations

Purves

1972

Hamlyn/Sun Books

Ephemeral Decorations

Gillingham

1935

Amer Numis Soc.

Debrett’s Guide to Heraldry and Regalia

Williamson

1992

Headline

Orders and Medals of Bulgaria

Patrov

2000

Voenno Izdatelstvo

Book of Orders of Knighthood and Decorations of Honour of All Nations

Burke

1858

N&M Press

The History of the Order of Bath and Its Insignia

Risk

1972

Spink

British Orders, Decorations and Medals

Hall

1973

Balfour

Court Jewelers of the World

Jacob

1978

Postgraduate International

Catalogue of Military and Naval Campaign Medals and Gallantry Awards

 

1980

Sothebys

Orders, Decorations, and Insignia, Military and Civil

Wyllie

1921

Forgotten Books

European Orders and Decorations to 1945

Duckers

2007

Shire

British Orders and Decorations

Duckers

2004

Shire

Bulgaria Imperial Orders and Medals 1887-1945

Furlan

1996

Militaria House

Parade Medals of the Third Reich

Yanacek

2008

Schiffer

Book of Orders and Decorations

Mericka

1975

Hamlyn

Orders and Decorations

Mericka

1967

Hamlyn

Orders and Decorations of All Nations Ancient and Modern Civil and Military

Werlich

Second Edition, 1973 & 1990

Quaker Press

Spinks Catalogue of British and Associated Orders, Decorations and Medals

Joslin

1983

Webb & Bower

Imperial Austrian Medals and Decorations

Von Falkenstein

1972

-o- private

Militaria: A Study of German Helmets & Uniforms 1729-1918

Kube

1990

Schiffer

Orders and Decorations of All Nations

Werlich

1965

Quaker Press

Military Medals & Decorations of the United States and Europe

Ball & Peters

1994

Schiffer

Medal Yearbook 2004

Mackay & Mussell

2004

Token Publishing

Vernon’s Guide to Orders, Medals & Decoration with Valuations

Vernon

2000

Self/private

The Medal Collectors’ Companion Collecting and Identifying Orders, Medals and Decorations

Vernon

1995

Self/private

Royal Insignia: British and Foreign Orders of Chivalry from the Royal Collection

Patterson

1997, 1998

The Royal Collection

 Medals Ribbons of Imperial Austria and Germany

Neville

1974

Balfour Publications

Militaria – Die Militar Dienstzeichen 1849-1989

Steiner

1993

self

Deutsche Orden & Ehrenzeichen 1800 – 1945

Nimmergut

2017

Battenberg

Bewertung Katalog Deutschland 1871-1945 Orden Und Ehrenzeichen

Niemann

2009

Self/private

History of the Early Orders of Knighthood & Chivalry

Neville

1978

Albemarle

4 volume Borna Barac series called Reference Catalogue Orders, Medals and Decorations of the World instituted until 1945.

Borna Barac

2009 through 2013

OBOL

Ribbons and Medals

Dorling

1974

Philip

British and Foreign Orders, War Medals and Decorations

Payne

1911, reprinted 1981

Hayward

The Queen’s Orders of Chivalry

De la Beree

1964

Spring Books

The Order of the British Empire

Galloway

 

 

 

1996

Stephen Austin and Sons/Spink/Central Chancery of Orders of Knighhood

Orders of Knighthood, Awards and the Holy See

Cardinale and van Duren

1985

Van Duren

The Medals Decorations & Orders of the Great War 1914-1918

Purves

1975

Hayward

Royal Orders – The Honours and the Honoured

Vickers

1994

Boxtree

British Orders & Awards

Gordon

1968

Kaye & Ward

The European Orders of Chivalry

Boalt, et al

1971

Southern Illinois University Press

Collecting Medals and Decorations

Purves

1968-1978

Hayward

A Glossary of Terms Used in Phaleristics – The Science, Study and Collecting of the Insignia of Orders, Decorations, and Medals

Laslo

1995

Dorado Publishing

Russian Orders, Decorations and Medals

Werlich

1981

Quaker Press

Knights of Orange: Orders of the Netherlands

Ruokonen

2015

Same

The German Cavalry from 1871 to 1914 – Uniforms and Equipment

Herr and Nguyen

2006

Verlag Militaria

Swords of Germany 1900/1945

Angolia

1988

Bender Publishing

Spiked Helmets of Imperial Germany Vol. I Infantry Regiments, Pioneer Battalions, General Officers

Trawnik

2005

Schiffer

Imperial German Edged Weaponry Vol. I Army and Cavalry

Johnson, Diehl, & Wittmann

2008

Schiffer

Grosser Deutscher Ordenscatalog bis 1918

Graf Klenau

1974

Battenberg

Sovereign Knights – Foreign Orders of Russian Emporers

 

2010

Moscow

Die Bayerischen Orden und Ehrenzeichen

Schreiber

1964

Bayerisch Armeemuseums

 

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