SasaYU Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 (edited) I have acquired a worn out II Class with document to Karel Pukovnik. It was awarded in december 1945 and it has a very low serial number.Soviet,order was awarded to dr Karel Oberslik, Colonel. Edited August 21, 2007 by SasaYU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SasaYU Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 General rule of history: Anything that has ever required any government to pay money or extend befefits to their citizens has given birth to mounds of paper detailing how much, and what, and to whom, and for how long. Likewise, anything that ever cost that government any money to make (or buy) -- like ODM -- had leagues of bookkeepers watching over the process and recording the expenditures.Who can access the (former) Yugoslavian archives -- assuming they still exist. Where are they anyway?Archives are in Belgrade and yes they should exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted August 21, 2007 Author Share Posted August 21, 2007 Soviet,order was awarded to dr Karel Oberslik, Colonel.Oups so Pukovnik means Colonel. Thanks for the correction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valuk Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Thanks Valuk and Wlodzimierz. @ Valuk : Yours still as some more gold color on it. Mine is worn out.But yours is boxed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SasaYU Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 Oups so Pukovnik means Colonel. Thanks for the correction.You are welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valuk Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 3rd class, low serial number Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlodzimierz Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 I have one Order for Merit to the People but I'm not clear what class is it. If you look at avers it seems to be 1st class. But if you look at revers you see number II and high s/n 37062. Is it 2nd class turned to 1st class? homemade? Have you ever seen somethink like this? What is your opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valuk Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Second class for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlodzimierz Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Thank you Valuk, Avers seems to be 1st class. Why are you sure that it's 2nd class?waldemar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Thank you Valuk, Avers seems to be 1st class. Why are you sure that it's 2nd class?waldemarGentlemen,that order's av. is a 1st class for sure .Silver figure on a gold star and that star on gold rays.1st class & 3nd class have silver figures on a gold star, but the differnce are the rays under the gold star.Best regards Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 But remember, the reverse has "number II and high s/n 37062"??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valuk Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 And how can you explain the II and the high serial number? It can't be 1st class with the inscription of the second Looks like a 1st class, but with the II I'm sure that's a second class (if is a first, good for you ), can we see the reverse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 That is first class! There is a very big mistery about those nubmers on revers(back) - I , II, III Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 But remember, the reverse has "number II and high s/n 37062"??? Gentlemen,I guess, that order is one of the rare mistakes of the IKOM-mint: They stamped the datas for a 2nd class on the rv. of a 1st class .Best regards Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlodzimierz Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Sorry Gentlemens,I didn't post reverse side, hier it is: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Zulus Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Lieber Waldemar,well, that's a 2nd class rv. on a 1st class av. .Is that order cased in a box and what's written on the box ?Do you have a document of the order ?Best regards Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ostfront Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 (edited) Mistakes like this, happened quite frequently with this order. As a result it is possible to find many different variations.The third class (with silver star) should have a golden partisan and golden rays, but silver star.The second class (with silver rays) should have a gold star and everything else in silver.The first class (with golden star) should have a gold star and golden rays but a silver partisan.In reality it isn't always like this. Almost all of the order of merit to people in my collection don't correspond to above described. My 2. class has silver star and golden partisan and rays (but is in 2.class box and numbered II), my two third classes have golden stars (and are in 3. class boxes and numbered III on the reverse), only my first class corresponds to the above described correctly. However I think that the back side COUNTED, so the example, that was posted here on the forum was most probably awarded as a 2. class.So in short, it's a real mess with these orders, but the back side counts for the grade of the order. Edited September 12, 2007 by Ostfront Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
order_of_victory Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Just arrived this morning my 3rd Class number 87620 Heres a PicOrder of Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valuk Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted November 2, 2007 Author Share Posted November 2, 2007 Well I can't beat Valuk's low serial number, but here is at least my first ZIN made Order of Merit for People. #14160 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valuk Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 Nice! I prefer ZIN made orders, the quality of construction is better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted November 9, 2007 Author Share Posted November 9, 2007 And here is a 2nd Class IKOM made transform to pinback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlodzimierz Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 It must be mistake, this box is for 2nd class order after 1963.The correct 3rd class box has name "ORDEN ZASLUGE ZA NAROD SA SREBRNOM ZVEZDOM". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted March 17, 2008 Author Share Posted March 17, 2008 I'm not sure if I understand well, but this is not a 3rd Class, but a 2nd Class because of the roman number "II". So if this is a box for the 2nd Class after 1963, why isn't that good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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