Stogieman Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 Anybody have any lists/data on awards of the Baden Silver Merit Medal of the MKF Band during China campaigns?Thanks, Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted April 16, 2007 Author Share Posted April 16, 2007 Alternately, anyone with any idea as to what Baden Natives served? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 sorry Stogie but I have never seen a document for a baden medal for china and I have never seen a medal bar with a baden medal on it that was definately given for china service.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted April 16, 2007 Author Share Posted April 16, 2007 Well, I have one, image to follow this evening... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernd D Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Anybody have any lists/data on awards of the Baden Silver Merit Medal of the MKF Band during China campaigns?Thanks, RickRick,I do have a list. Do you need some informations?Bernd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted April 16, 2007 Author Share Posted April 16, 2007 Hallo Bernd, Vielen Dank! I have an NCO bar as follows:1914 EK2Militar-Ehrenzeichen, 2. KlasseBaden Silver Merit Medal (Type 1) (F?r Verdeinst) on Militar Karl Friedrich RibbonChina Service Medal, CombattantPrussian Long Service Cross, 15 Years, NCO/EnlistedDanke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted April 16, 2007 Author Share Posted April 16, 2007 The Bar in question. Reverse of the Baden Merit Medal is "F?r Verdienst" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernd D Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 The Bar in question. Reverse of the Baden Merit Medal is "F?r Verdienst"I saw this bar as well, and I struggeled with myself because I don?t like this king of making.Nevertheless, 11 soldiers were awarded with both medals (MEZ2 - 1901 and Baden Merit Medal 1902) for their service in China. From these 11 possibly seven could be the former wearer of the medalbar. They are:Gefr Ammann, 6. OA Infanterie-Regiment Uffz Hauck, OA Reiter-RegimentGefr Hermann H?pfinger, Kommando des OA Expeditionskorps Sergeant Heinrich Julius Hermann Lindemann, 4. OA Infanterie-Regiment Pionier Wilhelm M?ssig, OA Pionier-BataillonKanonier Karl Schumann,OA Bataillon schwerer FeldhaubitzenFw Paul Skowranek, 4. OA Infanterie-RegimentRegardsBernd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted April 17, 2007 Author Share Posted April 17, 2007 Hallo Bernd, Vielen Dank! Yes, the construction is the typical crude (period) NCO Bar. Certainly not of the quality of an Officer's Bar. But the combination of MEZ2/Baden Merit Medal for China was just too rare to bypass. I knew less than a dozen possible, but did not think only 7!! Many thanks! Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 Better scans. I would say this is undoubtedly a "Papa Friedrich" for China because he would have been too senior in rank in WW1 to have one then-- after XV Years service, almost certainly a Feldwebelleutnant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 Ugly but typical mounting. This one has zink hooks and the catch too rather than the usual brass ones soldered on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted April 18, 2007 Author Share Posted April 18, 2007 Well, I don't think you'll find much that could be scarcer. Or more beautiful. The Type 1 medal is very hard to find and this one is just one huge hunk of real silver. Weighs a ton! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted April 19, 2007 Share Posted April 19, 2007 The Type 1 medal is very hard to find and this one is just one huge hunk of real silver. Weighs a ton!What the f*ck, please, is "Type I" ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 He means Papa Fred, Friedrich I, rather than the often seen world war Friedrich II. But you're right, this "Old Fred I." was actually, what-- the 4th Type of Friedrich I-- M1855, M1857, M1869, M1882 (this one). I would hate to have to figure out WHICH model was awarded with so many transition years on the rolls for those, assuming they must still exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted April 20, 2007 Author Share Posted April 20, 2007 Part of what is so amazing about this one is that aside from the rather extreme rarity, the medal itself is just drop-dead beautiful. Heavy, well-struck and high relief. I have not seen a scan/image yet that does it justice. You just have to hold it in your hand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 I have two of these papa Friedrich medals for DSWA on big bars..... great medal you are right, very heavy and big!!! A bit off topic but if you want to see these bars please let me know...Heiko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 Bernd.... do you have a list for Badener that got the DSWA-medal and papa Friedrich as well.... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRBeery Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 Like I said before, I like this one better than St.Henry! It is an impressive medal. This is the early version with the engravers mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted April 20, 2007 Author Share Posted April 20, 2007 Very nice bar Chet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 Ah thanks, now I see what he meant. I love the 1869-181 and 1881-1908 type as well, these are the most impressive ones, and not even that rare or expensive. Well, not too common of course, for 1870/71 or China/Kolonien service on Karl Friedrich ribbon ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottplen Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 I just traded for this bar ! Does anyone know total of MEZ award for China and How many Baden merit medals awarded for China ? I am excited to be the owner of this bar !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottplen Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 (edited) orI have been thinking about and researching this bar ! I was thinking it has no Baden LS award 1902 baden medal so IMO the bar is for a Prussian ? So is there a break up of the Units by German State ? Edited March 2, 2017 by scottplen error Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottplen Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Ok using the internet I found list of Bars awarded for China medal by unit also break up of German forces by state / unit in China So I used reverse thinking on bars instead of units with bars I went through and combined 2 lists without bars and states ! So in my calculating if he was not awarded any bars it would be one of three NCOs of course it my theory and I may be wrong but IMO its one of the following FW Paul Skowranek 4 OEIR Sgt Heinrich Lindeman 4 OEIR Both these units made up Baden and Prussian troops 3rd Co Prussian 4th co Baden received no bars or Gefr Ammon 6 OEIR made up of Prussians, Bavarians and Wuert. troops 1st and 2nd Companies made up of Prussians and Bavarians Received 2 bars But 3 4 and 9th Companies were Prussians and received no bars !!! So IMO its one of these 3 ? is there a list of men by CO ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Sorry to say, your theory is wrong, the Gefechtsspangen were not awarded. You had to buy and to pay for them oneself, so if you would not buy one you could wear your medal bar without Gefechtsspangen, despite you were allowed to do so. Regards Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottplen Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Ok then back to 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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